Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

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It seems clear from this that the IN intended to operate 4-5 squadrons of MiG-29K not only from the two AC but also apart from catering to redundancies , build up capabilities (surreptitiously, perhaps?) for off shore coastal patrol & in all probability include ANC within it's ambit.
IN wants over 200 fighters to not only operate from Carriers but also for the defence of its coastal facilities. They do not want to depend on IAF. As of now even the defence of off shore assets off Mumbai High and Mumbai Itself is with IAF.
The intention was to have two squadrons or around 35 fighters each in East and West so as to allow both ACs to operate at full capacity of required taking into consideration around 70% availability rates for the aircrafts.

The 2nd batch of 29 aircrafts was actually a truncated order as the IAC 1 was behind its timelines.
IN will go in for a mix of shore based and deck based fighters to meet its needs. It may not go for 100% Deck based fighter fleet.
 
Be ready to see a small batch buy if 28-32 SH or Rafale M for IAC1, that's all I will say. Somewhere by 2022.

While the aviation complex of Vicky was designed especially with Mig29K, Su33, Ka28 and Ka31 in mind, the one in IAC 1 has potential to operate more types.
Seems unlikely. To begin with the IN's needs for the MRCBF weren't considered pressing enough even in the pre Wuhan virus era. In the post Wuhan virus era, procurements would be prioritized especially as far as air assets go with the priority being given to the IAF. W.r.t the IN they have other pressing needs as far as hepters for ASW, utility, SAR, recon, etc apart from more subs, MCMV, etc which were required y'day. The only exception that can be made especially if you consider our pockets would be MiG-29K. We both know the answer to that but then again this is the IN & MoD / GoI we're talking about. So...

Besides, the arrestor hooks, landing systems & the elevators of the IAC-1 or the INS Vikramaditya were designed with the MiG-29K in mind. How will the SH or Rafale M be accommodated there?

As an aside, As far as the NLCA-Mk1 goes, who were the IN & ADA consulting w.r.t it's design & especially it's manoeuvres for take off & landing aboard the INS Vikramaditya @vstol Jockey .
 
Seems unlikely. To begin with the IN's needs for the MRCBF weren't considered pressing enough even in the pre Wuhan virus era. In the post Wuhan virus era, procurements would be prioritized especially as far as air assets go with the priority being given to the IAF. W.r.t the IN they have other pressing needs as far as hepters for ASW, utility, SAR, recon, etc apart from more subs, MCMV, etc which were required y'day. The only exception that can be made especially if you consider our pockets would be MiG-29K. We both know the answer to that but then again this is the IN & MoD / GoI we're talking about. So...

Besides, the arrestor hooks, landing systems & the elevators of the IAC-1 or the INS Vikramaditya were designed with the MiG-29K in mind. How will the SH or Rafale M be accommodated there?

As an aside, As far as the NLCA-Mk1 goes, who were the IN & ADA consulting w.r.t it's design & especially it's manoeuvres for take off & landing aboard the INS Vikramaditya @vstol Jockey .
IAC1 air wing is a priority but delays in construction means delays in acquisition. The aviation complex at IAC 1 is more versatile than that of Vicky and can accomodate other aircrafts.
 
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IAC1 air wing is a priority but delays in construction means delays in acquisition. The aviation complex at IAC 1 is more versatile than that of Vicky and can accomodate other aircrafts.
We already possess 2 squadrons of MiG-29K for operations on both the ACs. Any additional numbers , probably a squadron of the MiGs , would be to cater to attritions - existing or future, redundancies, etc.

I don't think there's scope for any other type of aircrafts. If the IN keeps pressing the MoD on this front, the latter may well turn around & ask the IN to induct the NLCA.
 
Seems unlikely. To begin with the IN's needs for the MRCBF weren't considered pressing enough even in the pre Wuhan virus era. In the post Wuhan virus era, procurements would be prioritized especially as far as air assets go with the priority being given to the IAF. W.r.t the IN they have other pressing needs as far as hepters for ASW, utility, SAR, recon, etc apart from more subs, MCMV, etc which were required y'day. The only exception that can be made especially if you consider our pockets would be MiG-29K. We both know the answer to that but then again this is the IN & MoD / GoI we're talking about. So...

Besides, the arrestor hooks, landing systems & the elevators of the IAC-1 or the INS Vikramaditya were designed with the MiG-29K in mind. How will the SH or Rafale M be accommodated there?

As an aside, As far as the NLCA-Mk1 goes, who were the IN & ADA consulting w.r.t it's design & especially it's manoeuvres for take off & landing aboard the INS Vikramaditya @vstol Jockey .
The Arrester wire system of Vikky and IAC-1 has a minimum load limit for trap of 8 tons and max trap limit of 23 tons. That is the only limitation and it does not effect operation of F-18/Rafale as they have an empty weight well above 8 tons and Rafale-M has a max landing weight on Deck of less than 23 tons. But F-18 may be a bit of a problem but they too have fuel dumping system installed to allow the pilot to reduce weight for landing to be within the max trap weight limitation. The system is a problem for LCA. The trial landings done on Vikky by LCA were all with weight above 8 tons.
The lifts of IAC-1 and front lift of Vikky allow for F-18 to be accommodated but Rafale-M is a complete no go for either carrier unless it is fitted with a wingfolding system.
 
The requirement for 45 more Mig-29s died long ago. This was during the period when the plan was to induct two air defence ships/carriers in the same class as Vikrant alongside the Vikramaditya. After IAC-2 became CATOBAR, the requiment shifted to the current MRCBF and thoroughly killed the chances of both N-LCA and more Mig-29K. We were supposed to have 90 Mig-29Ks and 45 N-LCAs.

One of the main reasons for why the 2nd Stobar carrier was cancelled was because the E-2 could fly only for 1 hour after taking off. Plus the fighter complement was obviously too less. Thus Vishal was born.
 
IN wants over 200 fighters to not only operate from Carriers but also for the defence of its coastal facilities. They do not want to depend on IAF. As of now even the defence of off shore assets off Mumbai High and Mumbai Itself is with IAF.

IN will go in for a mix of shore based and deck based fighters to meet its needs. It may not go for 100% Deck based fighter fleet.

The coastal requirement is very far away. I suppose TEDBF will play a part at the time.

MRCBF numbers are going to be truncated, so I don't think the IN will be able to spare anything for coastal bases.

Plus, we are going the threater command way, so everything in the Peninsula will be under IN's control anyway.
 
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IN wants over 200 fighters to not only operate from Carriers but also for the defence of its coastal facilities. They do not want to depend on IAF. As of now even the defence of off shore assets off Mumbai High and Mumbai Itself is with IAF.

IN will go in for a mix of shore based and deck based fighters to meet its needs. It may not go for 100% Deck based fighter fleet.
What IN needs is a long range maritime bomber like Tu22, stationed in areas like AN, arakonam. They can takeoff with heavy load and deliver it against high sea targets. In my opinion IN should concentrate with AC bound aircrafts. The aerial defense of shor must be with IAF & integrated air defense command.
Its sad that, none of our strategists and topbras of military is convinced on bomber fleet.
 
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Hi all,

What, in India, is the point of view of Indian Navy for the MRCBF [Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter] :

Are they prefering Rafale or SH18 ?
 
Hi all,

What, in India, is the point of view of Indian Navy for the MRCBF [Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter] :

Are they prefering Rafale or SH18 ?
First we should know if both aircraft are compatible with IAC1. Then about their performance on the STOBAR platform. Can they even take off with a respectable load?. Without these cant judge honestly.

SH18 would be cheaper to procure and operate. (Added advantage of commonality with two QUAD members)
Rafale would be slightly more capable and commonality with the airforce.
 
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If we are inducting SH or Rafale for our AC, there is no point in developing Tedbf, no tedbf nor orca for sure. Will India risks that? I doubt
India seems to have no sense of priorities: what is important for the development of India's aviation industry is to master engine technology. Safran has made multiple proposals to achieve this, which would have cost around $1 billion. And India has always refused, finding it too expensive. And now they want us to believe that India is going to embark on a 10 billion dollar programme over 20 years? I doubt it, or it will only do it because it doesn't understand the difficulty of the task, but it won't prevent the purchase of foreign fighters while waiting for the development.
 
India seems to have no sense of priorities: what is important for the development of India's aviation industry is to master engine technology. Safran has made multiple proposals to achieve this, which would have cost around $1 billion. And India has always refused, finding it too expensive. And now they want us to believe that India is going to embark on a 10 billion dollar programme over 20 years? I doubt it, or it will only do it because it doesn't understand the difficulty of the task, but it won't prevent the purchase of foreign fighters while waiting for the development.

Yeah we are beyond the scope of logic & understanding.

Otherwise we would have had a top notch aero industry by now.
 
India seems to have no sense of priorities: what is important for the development of India's aviation industry is to master engine technology. Safran has made multiple proposals to achieve this, which would have cost around $1 billion. And India has always refused, finding it too expensive. And now they want us to believe that India is going to embark on a 10 billion dollar programme over 20 years? I doubt it, or it will only do it because it doesn't understand the difficulty of the task, but it won't prevent the purchase of foreign fighters while waiting for the development.
You never offered us the engine technology, what you have offered is a re engineering work to.mate snecma core with kaveri.
And i do agree that india had issues while priorities the requirements.
 
You never offered us the engine technology, what you have offered is a re engineering work to.mate snecma core with kaveri.
And i do agree that india had issues while priorities the requirements.

Complete transfer of know-how and know-why allowing India to be fully autonomous in the future.
 
India seems to have no sense of priorities: what is important for the development of India's aviation industry is to master engine technology. Safran has made multiple proposals to achieve this, which would have cost around $1 billion. And India has always refused, finding it too expensive. And now they want us to believe that India is going to embark on a 10 billion dollar programme over 20 years? I doubt it, or it will only do it because it doesn't understand the difficulty of the task, but it won't prevent the purchase of foreign fighters while waiting for the development.
Yeah, indians are not prioritising ways to give easy money to the French.
 
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No, france was not ready to give know how.