Myanmar's military takes power in coup, detains Suu Kyi

Myanmar is fragmented, it's not a real country, so there's less opportunities for a single country to control the region. It's the Syria of SE Asia.

Rumors are that the CIA backed color revolution in Bangladesh was aimed at carving out a CIA/NATO backed Christian country from the area. As an American post against China.

In Myanmar, CIA and The Chinese are playing a game of influence. We should keep our objectives in mind and join the party. It directly affects us.
 
Rumors are that the CIA backed color revolution in Bangladesh was aimed at carving out a CIA/NATO backed Christian country from the area. As an American post against China.

In Myanmar, CIA and The Chinese are playing a game of influence. We should keep our objectives in mind and join the party. It directly affects us.

They can try, the people there will just get annihilated by the Indian govt. All separatists in India understand that the govt will only meet unrelenting demands with violence.

If diplomacy with BD fails, then Mukti Bahini will be recreated. BD can then kiss Rangpur and most of Chittagong, Khulna etc goodbye.
 
If diplomacy with BD fails, then Mukti Bahini will be recreated. BD can then kiss Rangpur and most of Chittagong, Khulna etc goodbye.

Diplomacy with India will enter a grey zone with Yunus govt. fronting killing and raapes of bangladeshi hindus. We should be planning on carving out a hinduland from bangladesh. Islamists are in power in bangladesh. make no mistake.
 
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But do you really want Chinese bases there in the future?

People in Myanmar are Buddhists, they are not the dumba*ses you are used to seeing elsewhere.

This should get you started on Myanmar.

Here's a Western think tank giving India gyan, but it should help you understand the situation a little more.

Simply put, the current regime in power is pro-India and anti-China, although they are smart enough to maintain balance between the two.

So India had pro-India govts in both BD and Myanmar all this while. America and China support the other sides in both countries, hence the American-led coup in BD recently. They wish to do the same in Myanmar, but the Junta is a bit too powerful for that. Russia toes India's line on Myanmar.

That's the problem between India and the West. While both are aligned when it comes to China, the West is constantly working against Indian interests in the Indian Subcontinent, be it Pak, BD or Myanmar, even Sri Lanka and Maldives. And we use Russia to balance out the equation 'cause they have military tech and the UNSC veto. Another example of why Western civilians are too naive to understand why India won't be abandoning Russia anytime soon.
 
Diplomacy with India will enter a grey zone with Yunus govt. fronting killing and raapes of bangladeshi hindus. We should be planning on carving out a hinduland from bangladesh. Islamists are in power in bangladesh. make no mistake.

We need to see what will happen once elections are held. Yunus could be temporary, and I don't think things are gonna go the way the US thinks it will.

Look at how quickly the Taliban had allied itself with India after the US left.

In Pakistan too, Imran started tilting towards Russia, a backdoor channel to India, one of the biggest reasons why he was ousted by PA and the US. He had pretty good relations with the Taliban. I guess being Pashtun helped a lot, never mind his nexus with radicals.

Something similar could happen in BD too 'cause both BNP and Jamaat like pro-Imran parties and Taliban more than the PA. Ideology rules the roost.

Another thing that works in India's favor is, unlike a decade ago, any bailout required by Pakistan and BD is so high that even the US and China cannot afford it. Furthermore, they will keep BD teetering on the edge of bankruptcy as they kill the middle class and radicalize the population even more.
 
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We need to see what will happen once elections are held. Yunus could be temporary, and I don't think things are gonna go the way the US thinks it will.

Look at how quickly the Taliban had allied itself with India after the US left.

In Pakistan too, Imran started tilting towards Russia, a backdoor channel to India, one of the biggest reasons why he was ousted by PA and the US. He had pretty good relations with the Taliban. I guess being Pashtun helped a lot, never mind his nexus with radicals.

Something similar could happen in BD too 'cause both BNP and Jamaat like pro-Imran parties and Taliban more than the PA. Ideology rules the roost.

Another thing that works in India's favor is, unlike a decade ago, any bailout required by Pakistan and BD is so high that even the US and China cannot afford it. Furthermore, they will keep BD teetering on the edge of bankruptcy as they kill the middle class and radicalize the population even more.
don't mix their Islamism AND their hate for India. Two are different. Their hate of India is across the society. When the govt comes in BD, make no mistake, it will have anti India inclinations. It will try to align itself with pakistan. You will see their defence spending go up irrespective of the condition of their economy. It will try to build a military to "repel the imminent attack from India".

First they will go to IMF and World bank for loans. Remains to be seen if it will be allowed. If not granted loans from IMF/World bank, they will approach the chinese for infrastructure loans and we know how that ends up in a "debt trap".

We should not let the newly formed BD govt easy on anti India hate. We need some great legwork from intelligence agencies and the foreign ministry.

We need to pick up the garment manufacturing business from BD and bring it to India. Kill their golden goose.
 
People in Myanmar are Buddhists, they are not the dumba*ses you are used to seeing elsewhere.

This should get you started on Myanmar.

Here's a Western think tank giving India gyan, but it should help you understand the situation a little more.

Simply put, the current regime in power is pro-India and anti-China, although they are smart enough to maintain balance between the two.

So India had pro-India govts in both BD and Myanmar all this while. America and China support the other sides in both countries, hence the American-led coup in BD recently. They wish to do the same in Myanmar, but the Junta is a bit too powerful for that. Russia toes India's line on Myanmar.

That's the problem between India and the West. While both are aligned when it comes to China, the West is constantly working against Indian interests in the Indian Subcontinent, be it Pak, BD or Myanmar, even Sri Lanka and Maldives. And we use Russia to balance out the equation 'cause they have military tech and the UNSC veto. Another example of why Western civilians are too naive to understand why India won't be abandoning Russia anytime soon.
Why do you think the US would be supporting a pro-Chinese movement in Myanmar? Their only criticism is about the overthrow of democracy.
 
Why do you think the US would be supporting a pro-Chinese movement in Myanmar? Their only criticism is about the overthrow of democracy.
Things in Myanmar are far more complicated than pro-Chinese or any other pro-country movement. Essentially there are five-ten militia groups fighting for their own motives. Some want democracy and some don't. US does not want bases and naval ports belonging to PLA in Myanmar. In addition to this things are further complicated by Indian and Chinese infrastructure interests. In essence, nobody is supporting either the rebels/region based militias or the Junta for the genuine good of Burma or out of pure intentions.

Many places are still waiting for a stable country of their own and dying for the democracy that had been promised to them by the West since ages - Take the example of the Kurds.
 
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don't mix their Islamism AND their hate for India. Two are different. Their hate of India is across the society. When the govt comes in BD, make no mistake, it will have anti India inclinations. It will try to align itself with pakistan. You will see their defence spending go up irrespective of the condition of their economy. It will try to build a military to "repel the imminent attack from India".

Hate or not, realpolitik will rule the roost. Survival will become supreme for BD, not ideology.

The thing is most people just care about roti, kapda and makaan. So the more they spend on useless ventures like the military, the less likely they are to retain power.

Furthermore, the Islamists don't trust BD's military. That's the same problem PA is facing in Pakistan. And at the same time they do not want to repeat the mistakes PA did in dealing with the radicals post the Lal Qila incident and the Islamists don't want to make the BD army more powerful than it already is.

First they will go to IMF and World bank for loans. Remains to be seen if it will be allowed. If not granted loans from IMF/World bank, they will approach the chinese for infrastructure loans and we know how that ends up in a "debt trap".

Things are headed towards a situation where no one is actually going to be ready to foot the bill. Both countries will need tens of billions of dollars in case of a crisis.

As Bangladesh’s foreign exchange reserves plummeted from a peak of $48.1 billion in August 2021 to potentially less than $13 billion today, Bangladesh Bank became entangled in the intricacies of reserve calculations and definitions.

Pakistan's too is at $14B. Both countries need $20-25B a year.

We should not let the newly formed BD govt easy on anti India hate. We need some great legwork from intelligence agencies and the foreign ministry.

We need to pick up the garment manufacturing business from BD and bring it to India. Kill their golden goose.

More than all that, what we need to do is turn the BD border into a fortress a la Pakistan to stop unchecked migration.
 
Why do you think the US would be supporting a pro-Chinese movement in Myanmar? Their only criticism is about the overthrow of democracy.

'Cause you are too naive to understand that the US isn't the goody two shoes you think they are.

They removed a secular democratic govt in BD and pushed Islamists to power. In Myanmar, both China and US support the "pro-democracy" forces, but actually have nothing to do with democracy. It's just another faction among many.

India supports the anti-China/US military and US/China support a bunch of commies called NLD masquerading as democratic forces.

Locally, the military supports a "far-right" conservative party that believes in Buddhist nationalism, it's called the USDP.

NLD is similar to the Congress Party in India, which is also supported by both the US (Democrats) and China.

In any case Myanmar is a sh!thole due to endless civil war, especially the new one.
 
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'Cause you are too naive to understand that the US isn't the goody two shoes you think they are.

They removed a secular democratic govt in BD and pushed Islamists to power. In Myanmar, both China and US support the "pro-democracy" forces, but actually have nothing to do with democracy. It's just another faction among many.

India supports the anti-China/US military and US/China support a bunch of commies called NLD masquerading as democratic forces.

Locally, the military supports a "far-right" conservative party that believes in Buddhist nationalism, it's called the USDP.

NLD is similar to the Congress Party in India, which is also supported by both the US (Democrats) and China.

In any case Myanmar is a sh!thole due to endless civil war, especially the new one.
I have never understood how everything is associated with bringing democracy and nothing to do with national interests of various players whether they be from the East or the West. This happens to be a very naive line of thought. I cannot believe people choose to believe such a narrative. I find it incomprehensible that after Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria people still think that democracy will arrive alongside NATO forces.
 
'Cause you are too naive to understand that the US isn't the goody two shoes you think they are.

They removed a secular democratic govt in BD and pushed Islamists to power. In Myanmar, both China and US support the "pro-democracy" forces, but actually have nothing to do with democracy. It's just another faction among many.
The issues did not have anything to do with the US and the leader stepped down, she was not removed. You just see the US wherever you like with no solid evidence, all it needs is one random assertion and that's evidence enough for you.
India supports the anti-China/US military and US/China support a bunch of commies called NLD masquerading as democratic forces.
Evidence?
Locally, the military supports a "far-right" conservative party that believes in Buddhist nationalism, it's called the USDP.

NLD is similar to the Congress Party in India, which is also supported by both the US (Democrats) and China.
National Long Distance?
In any case Myanmar is a sh!thole due to endless civil war, especially the new one.
Glass houses...
 
The issues did not have anything to do with the US and the leader stepped down, she was not removed. You just see the US wherever you like with no solid evidence, all it needs is one random assertion and that's evidence enough for you.

Evidence?

National Long Distance?

Glass houses...


These volunteers seem to be rather well funded and seem to be able to run training camps quite well. Of course there is always plausible deniability.
 
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I have never understood how everything is associated with bringing democracy and nothing to do with national interests of various players whether they be from the East or the West. This happens to be a very naive line of thought. I cannot believe people choose to believe such a narrative. I find it incomprehensible that after Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria people still think that democracy will arrive alongside NATO forces.
The problem is people think NATO is involved whether they're there or not. As for Iraq, it's better now than under Saddam at least.
 


These volunteers seem to be rather well funded and seem to be able to run training camps quite well. Of course there is always plausible deniability.
IF the report is true, that's exactly 2 people. Although they could just be two people in masks. There have been Indians fighting for Russia in Ukraine, does that imply Modi's involvement? There have even been Brits fighting for Russia, does that signify MoD approval?
LOL...good for you man.
Well they hung him.
 
IF the report is true, that's exactly 2 people. Although they could just be two people in masks. There have been Indians fighting for Russia in Ukraine, does that imply Modi's involvement? There have even been Brits fighting for Russia, does that signify MoD approval?
I don't know...may be or may be not. There could be more and there simply are no reports. Who knows if Modi is involved? There are so many scenarios at play and the US has genuine interests in keeping China out of Myanmar. Do you have certain answers to these questions that you posed? Till sometime ago I was trolling the Russians for blowing up their own pipeline...seems I was wrong wasn't I.
 
I don't know...may be or may be not. There could be more and there simply are no reports. Who knows if Modi is involved? There are so many scenarios at play and the US has genuine interests in keeping China out of Myanmar. Do you have certain answers to these questions that you posed?
No, just annoyed with the way Indian folk jump to the conclusion of US involvement everywhere. I see no definitive benefits for the US acting against regimes in Bangladesh or Myanmar. God knows, they've waited a really long time without doing anything, why now?
Till sometime ago I was trolling the Russians for blowing up their own pipeline...seems I was wrong wasn't I.
Which pipeline? Nordstream? No one knows who blew that up. There are arguments both ways.