Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

[screambowl]

Everything is fine in your reading. But how you will justify. IAF will not speak on platform loss at this time . Cleared in open house. CDS interview infront of a foreign press 1. Platform loss 2. Tactical course correction. What's the need ?

They don't want to speak because that will reveal the details of ops. CDS made it clear that there are losses but rectified, IAF made it clear as well that losses are there. Whats the point? In Poonch they killed so many civilians in arty shelling did any one talk about that why air warfare only?

So we rectified tactics and then went back on the 7th, 8th and 10th in large numbers to hit air bases deep inside Pakistan, penetrated all their air defences with impunity, carried out precision strikes.

'Lot Of Space Before Nuclear Threshold Is Crossed': Top Military Official On Op Sindoor

India switched tactics after suffering losses in the air on the first day of conflict with Pakistan earlier this month and established a decisive advantage before the neighbours announced a ceasefire three days later.

www.ndtv.com

 

[Shan]

A press conference is indeed asap. Sooner the better. Let AK Bharti take the lead and let the three of the sit and address the press together.

 

[screambowl]

A press conference is indeed asap. Sooner the better. Let AK Bharti take the lead and let the three of the sit and address the press together.

This will more look like a face saving measure. What is said is said, no need to worry. Pakistan is not such a big country to impress.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

This will more look like a face saving measure. What is said is said, no need to worry. Pakistan is not such a big country to impress.

Pakistanis are dancing as if they have won the war

They only care for Narratives

Pakistani thinking Is like this below tweet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928729990146699510

 

[screambowl]

Pakistanis are dancing as if they have won the war

They only care for Narratives

Pakistani thinking Is like this below tweet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928729990146699510

Pakistanis are not proud about being Pakistanis, basically they are proud about being shameless.

I request members, do not fall for the narrative. India must stop caring about narrative.

 

[banthelwa]

Pakistanis wanted to hurt image of Modi by taking out Rafale and plus there was talk of scam. This is all their motive after losing domainance in conventional war. But fools in India do not understand that there will be losses be it F35 as the technology gets advance. Pakistan has caught your weak nerve that Indians get irritated and try to talk facts when poked.

I have been seeing this clarification syndrome among Indians past 20 years. You always try to explain a troll with facts on social media. And news media picks up this trend and they play against you. And even after showing your dominance you people fall for trolls.

Kindly try to understand the character of Pakistani Punjabis first. They are 'shameless' . For their benefit they will bow infront of you in person and suddenly glorify themselves among the rest of the world and then tell you in public ohh we had a great business meeting.

Indian govt has to reveal today or tomorrow about the damage on Indian side, because it's not some looted unaccounted money like in pakistan, there will be audit and in Parliament ruling govt will have to explain.

From Indian govt side, the only mistake was the cease fire understanding, but day before yesterday PM has made it clear that operations are going on.

Agree on that. Propaganda should never be countered with rational arguments and facts. That will not work.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Pakistan is rattled and their military can't digest what has happened. As their PM has said that Pakistan was to launch a preemptive strike on India but rather surprised by India with Brahmos, from this language I would conclude that next time timing will be crucial. They want to do what India did to them.

Munir has planned a ground invasion near Narowal to hit IA formations. But once IAF struck those bases, they realised the the most crucial PAF is actually grounded now and cant provide anykind of cover to Pak attacking forces. That resulted in them begging for a ceasefire.

 

[RajibJ]

They don't want to speak because that will reveal the details of ops. CDS made it clear that there are losses but rectified, IAF made it clear as well that losses are there. Whats the point? In Poonch they killed so many civilians in arty shelling did any one talk about that why air warfare only?

Civilian casualty and armed forces casualty was report by media widely . My point is CDS deviated from information sharing policy planned by IAF. I am all for achieving target rather harp on asset loss.

 

[ultimatejuggernaut]

Pakistan is rattled and their military can't digest what has happened. As their PM has said that Pakistan was to launch a preemptive strike on India but rather surprised by India with Brahmos, from this language I would conclude that next time timing will be crucial. They want to do what India did to them.

And they have already started preparing for the next round.

They are buying HQ-19 Air Defense systems and will soon induct J-35 and most likely PL-17 as well and on the other hand our IAF and Govt. will take a decade to decide something.

If IAF does not buy SU-57 and R-37 soon and other top-notch stuff, then in the next round it will end up loosing a squadron in A2A engagement.

 

[vstol Jockey]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928710859389391158

With due respect to our CDS, We should not let an Army man make statements about Airforce or Navy. There is a big difference between an aircraft being DOWN and an ac being DOWENED or Lost. Every morning the sqn Teachnical officers make a statement about the availability of ac in the sqn. AND that reports goes something like this, Inventory held-18 ac, 12 serviciable and available for flying, 4 under maintenance, 2 down. In this statement the word down means that these 2 ac are unserviciable for want of spares or due to snags or whatever other reason.
On 7th morning two ac did suffer splinter hits but they made it back to base and landed safely. They were repaired in next two days and flew again and continued to take part in operations. This is the correct statement which should have been told by our CDS. But he has confused the hell out of every one by bad usage of words.
The tactical mistake was to use Hammer on 7th and that created problems as the ac were forced to go very close to the targets exposing them to multiple AD systems of Pak. This was the tactical error. If you read my very first posts about this Operations, I had blamed Rafale for lack of longer ranged weapons and that SU-30MKIs had to save them. After these ac were repaired, they were used only to fire SCALP and nothing else.
Rafale doing SEAD in Libya using Hammer is a thing of the past. Maybe they are still effective as SEAD weapons over Afghanistan. But in a very hotly defended and contested airspace like India-Pak, they are just useless. SCALP is a very very costly option.

 

[screambowl]

The tactical mistake was to use Hammer on 7th and that created problems as the ac were forced to go very close to the targets exposing them to multiple AD systems of Pak

This is why there are reports that Crystal Maze 2 will be soon in inventory.

 

[RajibJ]

And they have already started preparing for the next round.

They are buying HQ-19 Air Defense systems and will soon induct J-35 and most likely PL-17 as well and on the other hand our IAF and Govt. will take a decade to decide something.

If IAF does not buy SU-57 and R-37 soon and other top-notch stuff, then in the next round it will end up loosing a squadron in A2A engagement.

My biggest question , has Pakistani generals never tested Chinese weapon? Has not found any glitch. Or its organizational corruption? What will happen to their missile inventory , full replacement? Also Pakistan has to display precision with their hit. Precision parameter of Pakistani weapons still in water. No one knows.

 

[Defc0n]

Not making excuses, but trying to figure out why he said it:
There was a fear in the West that an Indo-Pak clash will go nuclear - because we are immature. Hence, the West will pressure us not to respond to something like Pahalgam. Both EAM and now CDS are making the point that neither side is irrational enough to start a nuclear war.
Pak launched drones at the Golden temple, for the same reason that they tried to bomb it in 1965. They feel that there is a Sikh separatist movement
they want to exploit.

As per the commentary by @Hellfire, Pak did try to activate nukes. Now, the going theory is that they wanted to force US intervention and got spanked by India big time. I would not describe this behaviour as rational. As per our doctrine, we reserve the right to strike (with nukes) if we see the potential risk of an adversary to nuke us, the fact that we did not do that shows that we broke doctrine - does this make us matured/rational ? This conclusion will largely depend on the aftermath, in this case, we didn’t get nuked, so “may be”, but imagine “intercepting” a nuke over Sirsa, suddenly our “rational/matured” behaviour would have looked dogsh*t ! The world needs to acknowledge that Pak is a rouge state (terror state) with nuclear weapons and the entire world is at risk for that reason. Instead, we are busy spreading horse sh*t instead and setting a false narrative that has no basis whatsoever.

 

[vstol Jockey]

As per the commentary by @Hellfire, Pak did try to activate nukes. Now, the going theory is that they wanted to force US intervention and got spanked by India big time. I would not describe this behaviour as rational. As per our doctrine, we reserve the right to strike (with nukes) if we see the potential risk of an adversary to nuke us, the fact that we did not do that shows that we broke doctrine - does this make us matured/rational ? This conclusion will largely depend on the aftermath, in this case, we didn’t get nuked, so “may be”, but imagine “intercepting” a nuke over Sirsa, suddenly our “rational/matured” behaviour would have looked dogsh*t ! The world needs to acknowledge that Pak is a rouge state (terror state) with nuclear weapons and the entire world is at risk for that reason. Instead, we are busy spreading horse sh*t instead and setting a false narrative that has no basis whatsoever.

NO, they tried to brow beat us by threatening to use nukes by opening the doors of those tunnels in Kirana Hills. We called off the bluff by striking those tunnels.

 

[Defc0n]

NO, they tried to brow beat us by threatening to use nukes by opening the doors of those tunnels in Kirana Hills. We called off the bluff by striking those tunnels.

Signs of a “potential use”? Yes!
Signs of maturity? No! I don’t think so.

I don’t see any reason to label Pakistan as a “rational actor” on the world stage!

 

[RajibJ]

CDS has done stupid act . Govt will not be pleased with CDS act and body language. Now this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928783909946318854

 

[TARGET]

Munir has planned a ground invasion near Narowal to hit IA formations. But once IAF struck those bases, they realised the the most crucial PAF is actually grounded now and cant provide anykind of cover to Pak attacking forces. That resulted in them begging for a ceasefire.

And there we went wrong. We could have waited at least 1 to 2 days more. But Modi got his election agenda cleared and submitted to the US pressure tactics.

 

[randomradio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928710859389391158

Just poor wording. He basically said whether jets were downed or not is irrelevant, but what you do after "in case" jets are downed is what matters ti them. He doesn't say anything specific about losses. He should have started the statement with: "I cannot confirm or deny that claim, but in case..." Or he should have just stopped before but.

The fact is if there were losses, we would have seen the Chinese sat images of wreckages long before now.

 

[ultimatejuggernaut]

Pakistanis are dancing as if they have won the war

They only care for Narratives

Pakistani thinking Is like this below tweet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928729990146699510

Why should they not??

1. They were able to down 3 or 5 IAF jets for the loss of none in A2A engagement.
2. This was in a situation when IAF launched 70+ jets as part of the strike package.
3. This is indeed a big achievement for nation whose defense budget 5=6 times less than that of India.
4. They have thrashed all our Air platforms Sukhoi, Rafales, Migs on the other hand we have only these things to say: ROE, Meteor integration and finally CDS story.

It was the magic of Brahmos and S-400 which held them back and tilted the outcome of the skirmish to our side.

 

[screambowl]

It was the magic of Brahmos and S-400 which held them back and tilted the outcome of the skirmish to our side.

This is why India is conventionally dominant. They can escalate to whatever level they want because it will not restrict to Air combat. If they are good in something, that advantage will be snatched from Pakistanis by any means.