JF-17 has been derived from the Mig-21.
Mig-21 > J-7 > Super 7 (JF-17)
The J-10 is not competitive with the F-16 in any role due to its lower weapons capabilities. It has the same restriction as JF-17 and LCA Mk1.
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JF-17 has been derived from the Mig-21.
Mig-21 > J-7 > Super 7 (JF-17)
The J-10 is not competitive with the F-16 in any role due to its lower weapons capabilities. It has the same restriction as JF-17 and LCA Mk1.
Genius... British Harrier jump jets were unstable as hell, yet fly and fight without fly by wire.
FBW helps but it's not as mandatory as you are trying to make it.
one thing surprises me. The JF17 uses a singe RD93 engine which is just an upgraded version of the smokey RD33. The RD33 has had reliability issues in the Mig 29 for a long time now. Given that, how is the RD 93 magically so reliable that it is being used in a single engine config with only 2 or 3 crashes to date? something just doesn't add up.
Oh that's why it looks so much like Mig-21?
Yeah, our men behind the machine... That's what matters.
IF so, then why didn't you field the JF 17 on Feb 27- why stick to your pride F16s (which was sent crashing by an obsolete Mig21). I think PAF is fudging flight hours or hiding the maintenance issues on the JF17
Thunder were flying with KG-600 pods.
No wonder your own air defence shot down own helicopter. You can thank thunders for that.
About Fudging flight hours. Thunders are seen flying all over Pakistan and fly a lot.
Still have better crash record than the sooopah dooopah SU-30MKI
Really? can you share the Thunder's aggregate flight hours vs crash rate? Just for your ref, the average flight hours of a SU30 in IAF is approx 250 hours per year. Now extrapolate that for a fleet of 270 SU30s with incremental induction from 2007 onwards and do the math.
Huh?
I never knew that jamming pods can actually work as AWACS. You do realize that distance between Badgam and Horran is 110 KM. Thats MORE than range of primary sensors , radars, of JF-17.
Evidently you are a novice & aren't aware of PDF which is why you don't know about ruhaani taaqat.
How's that dear.... knowing that the air defence system was installed at Srinagar airbase...
When IAF can shoot down F 16 with a Bison
JF 17 is Nothing
What they will Never reveal is How they Shot down their own JF 17 in Multan in March
JF 17 is Nothing
What they will Never reveal is How they Shot down their own JF 17 in Multan in March
@safriz
You can look at it yourself. Super-7.
They moved J-7's central inlets to the side and then made the fuselage slightly bigger, in order to handle the RD-33.
JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong Multirole Combat Aircraft - Airforce Technology
Development of the JF-17 began with the origination of Super-7 in 1986 under a $500m joint Chengdu-Grumman development project, but the project was cancelled for financial and political reasons.
Chengdu continued the development of Super-7 in 1991 under the Fighter China project. Pakistan and China signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in 1995 to build the aircraft. In 1998, the countries signed a Letter of Intent and the contract was awarded in June 1999.
You can look at it yourself. Super-7.
They moved J-7's central inlets to the side and then made the fuselage slightly bigger, in order to handle the RD-33.
JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong Multirole Combat Aircraft - Airforce Technology
Development of the JF-17 began with the origination of Super-7 in 1986 under a $500m joint Chengdu-Grumman development project, but the project was cancelled for financial and political reasons.
Chengdu continued the development of Super-7 in 1991 under the Fighter China project. Pakistan and China signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in 1995 to build the aircraft. In 1998, the countries signed a Letter of Intent and the contract was awarded in June 1999.
The Single Engine.RD 93 is only good during
Peace time
The Surge operations in a War time will Lead to ENGINE FAILURE
LCA undertook SIX sorties per day per plane
during Gaganshakti
JF 17 is capable of 100 HOURS of Flying per year
you are missing the point, we don't go around boasting how Rafale is Indian. Pakistanis on the other hand believe JF 17 is completely built by & made in Pak.
When their Major General Rank OFFICER
Is a JOKER Like GHAFOOR , the Common public would be as good as ROTTEN TOMATOES
Yeah. I even saw this interview where this PAF air marshal called Shahid Lateef did not bother to correct the interviewer when the interviewer compared the Indian program with dozens of labs being able to do worse than just that lone PAF lab taht supported the JF-17. He didn't bother to say that JF-17's R&D work happened in China with an even larger number of labs at their disposal.
Not true. The RD-33/93 are very reliable. The problem for the low sortie rate for Mig-29 or MKI is the airframe design rather than the engine.
In fact we do not really know what's the actual sortie generation capability of Russian aircraft. The Israelis have managed more than 6 sorties on both F-16s and F-15s during wartime. Russian jets haven't been pushed to that degree in any war, but during Syria they have been managing very well with even older jets. Even in India, the Russian jets haven't been pushed to their limits, or at least they haven't made any such details public.
As for those advertised 100 hours, 150 hours etc, those are simply figures over a period of time and not a true indication of aircraft capability. The fact is the service life of both LCA Mk1 and JF-17 are similar, 3000-4000 hours. Only the westerners make old men, they pour far more money into airframe design, which is why the new F-15 has a service life of 20,000 hours, and my guess is it can be increased even beyond that with a SLEP.
Any madrassa educated ignoramus better not quote my post again
Should have never bothered with the shiit that was vomitted here
Classic example why never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.
Any Indian dumb enough to fall for madrassa logic
I will advise you this
Google for
1. RSS ( relaxed static stability ) PDFs, study it patiently , if you understand it good enough, if you can't , than it is not your cup of tea , so move all , just don't be like a po...... and put forward stupid nonsense here .
2. Harrier jump jet and it's 4 rotating jet nozzles. Incase any madrassa educated Indian or arab wannabes can't still figure out , Google for VTOL ops for harrier. Still if you can't understand , don't get surprised , madrassa education has produced another successful genius.
Should have never bothered with the shiit that was vomitted here
Classic example why never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.
Any Indian dumb enough to fall for madrassa logic
I will advise you this
Google for
1. RSS ( relaxed static stability ) PDFs, study it patiently , if you understand it good enough, if you can't , than it is not your cup of tea , so move all , just don't be like a po...... and put forward stupid nonsense here .
2. Harrier jump jet and it's 4 rotating jet nozzles. Incase any madrassa educated Indian or arab wannabes can't still figure out , Google for VTOL ops for harrier. Still if you can't understand , don't get surprised , madrassa education has produced another successful genius.
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When IAF can shoot down F 16 with a Bison
JF 17 is Nothing
What they will Never reveal is How they Shot down their own JF 17 in Multan in March
Like the blunder which went down in the Arabian sea , which they also tried to cover up , but nevertheless got leaked on social media.
Pilot apparently got disoriented , which is common in high seas.
That tin can does not even have modes like auto low-speed recovery (ALSR) and disorientation recovery mode (DRM) in its flight control system, due to lack of RSS and full digital quad redundant FBW to exploit it.
Though now if block 3 has full FBW , then it can try to implement a half assed solution for ALSR and DRM due to it not being a RSS based aircraft. Let's see
LCA has them both. Including F16 , Gripen etc except for the alleged 4 gen JF17 which even the developers country refused to induct .
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