Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

[LX1111]

And we should take your word for it because a Chinese has made it . After all you're such a trustworthy ethnicity

There is no hiding that the J-35 is still using some Chinese variant of the rd 33, after all we can't wait for the WS-19 like India waited for the f404 engine. Isn't WS19 going well? According to official sources, its development cycle has been nearly 25% faster than expected
After all, Shenyang Airlines is not Hal, and the J-35 is not like the tejasMark 1A, which can only be delivered two a year in 2024

And we should take your word for it because a Chinese has made it . After all you're such a trustworthy ethnicity

Good point, but it is Indians who have a bad reputation in the international market. In China, all businessmen when business with Indians require them to pay all the money before they can deliver goods. Indian businessmen are like stupid petty traders who destroy all their reputation

 

[_Anonymous_]

You picked all the fourth- and 4.5th-generation fighters that were available for sale in the world around 2001, and then you picked a French fighter that looked pretty good. That's it. But do any of these planes come close to matching the F-35 or F-22? No, that's it. It's like picking through a pile of cow dung and choosing the one that looks the best. Just because it looks good doesn't mean it's worth more than gold.

Are we facing an imminent war with the US or the Han scum ? Answer that question & you'd know why the IAF & Air Forces the world over don't have a high opinion of your J-20 or J-35 or whatever junk it is you come out with labeling it 5th Gen or 6th Gen or what have you.

Besides you still didn't answer my question - why's it that the Han who claim they've now mastered the technology behind the 5th Gen stealth fighter or Turbo Fans refuse to participate in evaluations by foreign air forces ?

Why , they don't even attend international flying shows or allow anyone except their own propaganda vehicles to come close to their so called stealth fighter aircraft displayed in exhibitions in China ?! Aren't you confident of the quality of your own products ?

 

[_Anonymous_]

Good point, but it is Indians who have a bad reputation in the international market. In China, all businessmen when business with Indians require them to pay all the money before they can deliver goods. Indian businessmen are like stupid petty traders who destroy all their reputation

Meanwhile the Han -

'Chinese phone makers, including Vivo, Oppo, Xiaomi evaded Rs 9,000 cr in tax' - ETCFO

Chinese smartphone makers, including Oppo Mobile, Vivo India and Xiaomi, have been found evading taxes to the tune of Rs 9,000 crore in India, the government has said in Parliament.

cfo.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Europe targets tax evasion by Chinese online vendors

Retailer complaints of lost sales prompt moves to tighten rules

asia.nikkei.com

Italy: EPPO uncovers Chinese underground banking network suspected of €113 million VAT fraud | European Public Prosecutor’s Office

www.eppo.europa.eu

Quality of Indian 2 wheelers vs Chinese 2 wheelers in Africa.

indian 2 wheelers beat China in Africa - Google Search


I don't blame the Han for such criminal behaviour . It's inborn. After all it's an open secret during the century of humiliation ( actually it's 175 years of humiliation , 1 century under the Gwailou & 75 years under the CCP ) that most of the smuggling of opium was done by the Han who worked with the Gwailou to traffic opium to their fellow countrymen. I believe the Han have a term for such people - Hanjian.

Cut to a century later where during the famines of The 5 Pests Campaign & The Great Leap Forward parents ate their children , brother ate his sister , neighbours ate their neighbours , etc . A few years later during The Glorious Cultural Revolution , children denounced their parents , brother denounced his own brother , neighbours denounced their own neighbours to the Red Guards on charges of being counter revolutionaries.

If you don't spare your own & lying stealing cheating among other vices are hard wired into you , how will you spare others ?

 

[_Anonymous_]

There is no hiding that the J-35 is still using some Chinese variant of the rd 33, after all we can't wait for the WS-19 like India waited for the f404 engine. Isn't WS19 going well? According to official sources, its development cycle has been nearly 25% faster than expected .

To begin with the RD-33 is hardly a stealth Turbo Fan . In fact it lets out so much smoke that US bases in Japan or RoK or US satellites will pick it up the moment it starts taxi ing on the runaway.

Please stop cracking jokes on the J-35 being a stealth fighter. It isn't. It may well turn out to be a decent 4.5 Gen FA like the J-20 with certain stealth characteristics.

Faster or slower doesn't matter as much as the quality of your copies of Russian Turbo Fans. Says a lot about your abilities when you can't even copy a turbo fan fast enough & come here to brag you'd be doing it in 25% faster time .

After all, Shenyang Airlines is not Hal, and the J-35 is not like the tejasMark 1A, which can only be delivered two a year in 2024

Where did we claim the Tejas is a stealth fighter ?! You're the ones making such claims. We produce fighter aircrafts at a rate we're comfortable with . The reason nations normally produce equipment in huge quantities like the Soviets did in WW-2 is coz they knew their products were inferior to the Germans. Hence Stalin declared Quantity is a quality of its own.

Since the Han are incapable of anything original , they copied Stalin's philosophy & till date in spite of all the so called progress they've made still rely on that philosophy.

Question to you - why haven't the Chinese made SSNs or SSBNs in the same quantities that they've the J-20s or J-16s or the various surface ships like Type 54 or Type 55 ?

Answer - it's because they haven't landed their hands on the data of either a US or Russian or French or British nuclear submarine till date . In other words you couldn't steal such data which is why the SSNs & SSBNs you've built are in single digits.

 

[LX1111]

Quality of Indian 2 wheelers vs Chinese 2 wheelers in Africa.

Do you know what the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in China is producing? Well, the Li Auto ,which sells for more than $100,000 in Europe

Motorcycles are already obsolete products in China, and you can hardly see motorcycles in Chinese cities

To begin with the RD-33 is hardly a stealth Turbo Fan . In fact it lets out so much smoke that US bases in Japan or RoK or US satellites will pick it up the moment it starts taxi ing on the runaway.

Please stop cracking jokes on the J-35 being a stealth fighter. It isn't. It may well turn out to be a decent 4.5 Gen FA like the J-20 with certain stealth characteristics.

Faster or slower doesn't matter as much as the quality of your copies of Russian Turbo Fans. Says a lot about your abilities when you can't even copy a turbo fan fast enough & come here to brag you'd be doing it in 25% faster time .

when I first spoke at the Indian forum in 2022, no Indian believed that the WS-15 would make its first flight in the next year, as for the WS-19, the progress is faster, according to the introduction of its chief designer, it has met 90% of the design indicators, and the development schedule is 25% ahead, after all, after the success of the WS-15 development, There are no technical issues with the WS-19

Its technical specifications have reached the design level of the EJ200

 

[_Anonymous_]

when I first spoke at the Indian forum in 2022, no Indian believed that the WS-15 would make its first flight in the next year, as for the WS-19, the progress is faster, according to the introduction of its chief designer, it has met 90% of the design indicators, and the development schedule is 25% ahead, after all, after the success of the WS-15 development, There are no technical issues with the WS-19


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Its technical specifications have reached the design level of the EJ200

Your WS -19 is derived from the WS-13 which itself is a copy of the RD-33. How long should it take to develop an uprated version of the WS-13 which itself was in the making for a good 2 decades & which incidentally was dismissed till very recently by the PAF of all Air Forces in favour of the RD-93 an uprated & better version of the RD-33 which in itself is a sub par Turbo Fan ?!

The English language has a phrase for this sort of thing . It's known as making a virtue out of necessity.

Reports indicate that the WS-19 has alot of features from the WS-15 . Once again is it any surprise you should have come up with the WS-19 as fast as you did. In fact I'd argue you should've already had it certified to go into the J-35 by now .

Btw - this is what the Russians think of your WS-13 TF. As compared to the Kaveri it has less specific thrust. And the Kaveri is still under development. Tells us all we need to know about the quality of your WS series of TFs .

Post in thread 'GTRE Kaveri Engine' GTRE Kaveri Engine

Read it at leisure & do share this on Weibo with your fellow Wumaos.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Do you know what the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in China is producing? Well, the Li Auto ,which sells for more than $100,000 in Europe
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Motorcycles are already obsolete products in China, and you can hardly see motorcycles in Chinese cities

Do you know the tariff Trump is proposing on Chinese EVs ? Oops sorry . Chinese EVs are banned in the US . But here's what Trump is proposing on Chinese products .

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...wanese-firms-out-of-china-11731088679878.html

And here's what the EU is proposing on Chinese EVs

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...europe-keeps-trade-tensions-check-2024-11-05/

I hope you realise what this means . It means lesser sales . It also means Chinese EV OEMs will be forced to set up plants in the EU to be in a position to compete with EU EV OEMs . This in turn means the EU will force Chinese EV OEMs to share technology with their EU counterparts in a move directly from the CCP playbook. Once those EU OEMs have absorbed technology from these Chinese EV OEMs the latter will be thrown aside like used condoms much like what the Chinese did.

As you see this game can be played both ways. Revenge is sweet. It's also a dish which tastes best when cold .

Finally just because China's not interested in 2 wheelers & is not in a position to be competitive in it doesn't mean there's no demand for it the world over or everybody ceases manufacturing it.

 

[LX1111]

Your WS -19 is derived from the WS-13 which itself is a copy of the RD-33. How long should it take to develop an uprated version of the WS-13 which itself was in the making for a good 2 decades & which incidentally was dismissed till very recently by the PAF of all Air Forces in favour of the RD-93 an uprated & better version of the RD-33 which in itself is a sub par Turbo Fan ?!

The English language has a phrase for this sort of thing . It's known as making a virtue out of necessity.

Reports indicate that the WS-19 has alot of features from the WS-15 . Once again is it any surprise you should have come up with the WS-19 as fast as you did. In fact I'd argue you should've already had it certified to go into the J-35 by now .

Btw - this is what the Russians think of your WS-13 TF. As compared to the Kaveri it has less specific thrust. And the Kaveri is still under development. Tells us all we need to know about the quality of your WS series of TFs .

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Post in thread 'GTRE Kaveri Engine' GTRE Kaveri Engine

Read it at leisure & do share this on Weibo with your fellow Wumaos.

I know Indians don't think much of the RD33 because of the JF17, even though it is a very well-designed engine, but so what? For now, the J-35 uses the WS-13 only to get the aircraft flying ahead of time, so that the PLAAF can learn about the aircraft, equip it quickly, and replace it directly after the WS-19 is mass-produced. After all, we are not India and we are not a habit ， waiting for the engine and letting the whole project drag on

 

[LX1111]

Your WS -19 is derived from the WS-13 which itself is a copy of the RD-33. How long should it take to develop an uprated version of the WS-13 which itself was in the making for a good 2 decades & which incidentally was dismissed till very recently by the PAF of all Air Forces in favour of the RD-93 an uprated & better version of the RD-33 which in itself is a sub par Turbo Fan ?!

The English language has a phrase for this sort of thing . It's known as making a virtue out of necessity.

Reports indicate that the WS-19 has alot of features from the WS-15 . Once again is it any surprise you should have come up with the WS-19 as fast as you did. In fact I'd argue you should've already had it certified to go into the J-35 by now .

Btw - this is what the Russians think of your WS-13 TF. As compared to the Kaveri it has less specific thrust. And the Kaveri is still under development. Tells us all we need to know about the quality of your WS series of TFs .

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Post in thread 'GTRE Kaveri Engine' GTRE Kaveri Engine

Read it at leisure & do share this on Weibo with your fellow Wumaos.

I have a more detailed picture, the design of F414 and EJ200 is our target, as for the Indian engine, let's wait until it flies, and the M88-3, which has been planned since the beginning of the century, but has not had any investors yet

 

[LX1111]

Do you know the tariff Trump is proposing on Chinese EVs ? Oops sorry . Chinese EVs are banned in the US . But here's what Trump is proposing on Chinese products .

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...wanese-firms-out-of-china-11731088679878.html

And here's what the EU is proposing on Chinese EVs

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...europe-keeps-trade-tensions-check-2024-11-05/

I hope you realise what this means . It means lesser sales . It also means Chinese EV OEMs will be forced to set up plants in the EU to be in a position to compete with EU EV OEMs . This in turn means the EU will force Chinese EV OEMs to share technology with their EU counterparts in a move directly from the CCP playbook. Once those EU OEMs have absorbed technology from these Chinese EV OEMs the latter will be thrown aside like used condoms much like what the Chinese did.

As you see this game can be played both ways. Revenge is sweet. It's also a dish which tastes best when cold .

Finally just because China's not interested in 2 wheelers & is not in a position to be competitive in it doesn't mean there's no demand for it the world over or everybody ceases manufacturing it.

Well, let's see how much Europe's old car makers are capable of learning new things, except for Volkswagen
But it is also very interesting to see Indians dirty cursing the Chinese auto industry.
Because India is still a poor and backward country. This is the reason why no Chinese look up to India, the so-called India is still a trade deficit country, a per capita GDP and Africa similar to the country, what qualifications to talk about the competitive international market?

 

[LX1111]

Where did we claim the Tejas is a stealth fighter ?! You're the ones making such claims. We produce fighter aircrafts at a rate we're comfortable with . The reason nations normally produce equipment in huge quantities like the Soviets did in WW-2 is coz they knew their products were inferior to the Germans. Hence Stalin declared Quantity is a quality of its own.

Since the Han are incapable of anything original , they copied Stalin's philosophy & till date in spite of all the so called progress they've made still rely on that philosophy.

Question to you - why haven't the Chinese made SSNs or SSBNs in the same quantities that they've the J-20s or J-16s or the various surface ships like Type 54 or Type 55 ?

Answer - it's because they haven't landed their hands on the data of either a US or Russian or French or British nuclear submarine till date . In other words you couldn't steal such data which is why the SSNs & SSBNs you've built are in single digits

Well, let's see if India is WW2 Germany or WW2 Japan, after all, fewer often does not mean advanced, and in the future IAF will be Turkey hunted by the PLAAF just like the Japanese navy was back then

 

[Hydra]

IAF isn't worried about J-35. Let them procure it.

They didn't worried about anything, those people went in to Pakistan on a mirage from 80s & next went on a mig from 60s.
That doesn't means that J35 is no threat to India.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I know Indians don't think much of the RD33 because of the JF17, even though it is a very well-designed engine, but so what? For now, the J-35 uses the WS-13 only to get the aircraft flying ahead of time, so that the PLAAF can learn about the aircraft, equip it quickly, and replace it directly after the WS-19 is mass-produced. After all, we are not India and we are not a habit ， waiting for the engine and letting the whole project drag on

I don't think you understand what I'm saying & for a change that useless app - Baidu translate like everything the Chinese developed isn't to blame much.

It's the fact that the CCP is always in a hurry for glory that it doesn't mind launching half baked products labeling it 5th Gen only for an apology of a TF to power it & declare to the world that China's the only country in the world apart from the US which has 2 fifth generation fighter aircraft when nobody knows its technical specifications not has anyone evaluated it & whatever little one knows about it like the Turbo Fan powering it isn't flattering to say the least.

Yes , you aren't India . If you were this wouldn't have happened.

In a landmark achievement for India’s defence industry, the Wheeled Armoured Platform (WhAP), designed by Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL), has successfully outperformed China’s NORINCO Type-08 armoured vehicle in rigorous trials by the Moroccan Army

India's WhAP Outshines China's Type-08 in Rigorous Moroccan Military Trials, Secures Major Contract

Mind you in this particular case , we're still trialing that platform . Meanwhile a country which isn't exactly known for its close ties to India has gone ahead tested it , evaluated it against competition in independent tests which in this case was a Chinese product & awarded the contract to an Indian firm .

 

[_Anonymous_]

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I have a more detailed picture, the design of F414 and EJ200 is our target, as for the Indian engine, let's wait until it flies, and the M88-3, which has been planned since the beginning of the century, but has not had any investors yet

We don't speak the barbarian's language Chang. You can put up as many graphics or infomemes as you want to signalling your intent , it doesn't make a whit of a difference. We're going by the here & now which in this case is a serving Chinese Turbo Fan the WS-13 vis a vis a Turbo Fan under development which is the Kaveri TF .

And once again mind you , this piece of information has come from the Russians who have a pretty good idea about both Chinese & Indian progress in their own respective Turbo Fan programs given both these countries used to test their products using Russian technologies to evaluate them .

 

[_Anonymous_]

Well, let's see how much Europe's old car makers are capable of learning new things, except for Volkswagen

I'm sure it will be very interesting to watch . For if the west cuts off access to Chinese EVs where exactly are you going to sell it in ? Africa , Latin America & the rest of Asia ? Well yes you can but not in the quantities you can sell in the west .

Meanwhile this is how Brazil chooses to respond

brazil tariffs on Chinese ev - Google Search

What about Mexico ? Here you go

Mexico tariffs on Chinese ev - Google Search

You can also bet the US under Trump will tighten the screws on Chinese EV OEMs setting up shop in Latin America . Good luck to you. I'm sure you need it.

But it is also very interesting to see Indians dirty cursing the Chinese auto industry.

And the Han who's so shameless that he will sell his wife mother sister & daughter all to the same person for a good price is doing this to enter India.

https://www.livemint.com/politics/policy/govt-rejects-chinese-byd-megha-engineerings-1-billion-proposal-to-set-up-ev-plant-11690200288132.html

Because India is still a poor and backward country. This is the reason why no Chinese look up to India, the so-called India is still a trade deficit country, a per capita GDP and Africa similar to the country, what qualifications to talk about the competitive international market?

Well I've news for the Han . We don't give a damn to the Han or what the Han thinks , never have , never will. It's the Han who is frustrated with us for denying them entry into India for business. We aren't interested in doing business with the filthy Han .

Howsoever poor & backward we are we never look to the Han for inspiration or validation. The opposite has always been true. Since 2000 years . Which is the reason there's Buddhism in China , no Confucianism in India. Always remember that Han . And it's you who're desperate for trade with India not the other way around.

But we're waiting to see the latest trade disputes which the Han has with the west now that the best friend of the Han is in the White House. Let's see if a Taiwan will kick off hostilities with the west or a trade war does it.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Well, let's see if India is WW2 Germany or WW2 Japan, after all, fewer often does not mean advanced, and in the future IAF will be Turkey hunted by the PLAAF just like the Japanese navy was back then

Apparently this was what came up on Weibo before censors got into the act .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852003178008715425

Maybe you can share it once again on Weibo.

And remember Wumao , if the Han which is synonymous with deceit & cowardice could , he would have taken everything he claimed & more in 2020 itself . That the CCP which is a criminal organization couldn't is the reason we have a complete withdrawal from all the disputed areas by the PLA after an agreement which in turn was why those memes which I've shown above was generated.

Finally for all your big talk , tell me , little Chang , how do you explain this ?

China using private companies and ‘lucrative contracts’ to recruit Western military pilots


There's a term in Mandarin to describe this phenomenon . It's called 纸老虎

 

[LX1111]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying & for a change that useless app - Baidu translate like everything the Chinese developed isn't to blame much.

It's the fact that the CCP is always in a hurry for glory that it doesn't mind launching half baked products labeling it 5th Gen only for an apology of a TF to power it & declare to the world that China's the only country in the world apart from the US which has 2 fifth generation fighter aircraft when nobody knows its technical specifications not has anyone evaluated it & whatever little one knows about it like the Turbo Fan powering it isn't flattering to say the least.

Yes , you aren't India . If you were this wouldn't have happened.


India's WhAP Outshines China's Type-08 in Rigorous Moroccan Military Trials, Secures Major Contract

Mind you in this particular case , we're still trialing that platform . Meanwhile a country which isn't exactly known for its close ties to India has gone ahead tested it , evaluated it against competition in independent tests which in this case was a Chinese product & awarded the contract to an Indian firm .

I wanted to contradict you, but I gave up, I saw that the Indian Air Marshal said exactly the same thing as you, this is the opinion that Indian officials have instilled in Indians, telling Indians that we are strong, the enemy is false, that's all.

Well I've news for the Han . We don't give a damn to the Han or what the Han thinks , never have , never will. It's the Han who is frustrated with us for denying them entry into India for business. We aren't interested in doing business with the filthy Han .

Howsoever poor & backward we are we never look to the Han for inspiration or validation. The opposite has always been true. Since 2000 years . Which is the reason there's Buddhism in China , no Confucianism in India. Always remember that Han . And it's you who're desperate for trade with India not the other way around.

But we're waiting to see the latest trade disputes which the Han has with the west now that the best friend of the Han is in the White House. Let's see if a Taiwan will kick off hostilities with the west or a trade war does it.

Well, I am trying to understand Indian thinking, Indian market is occupied by Chinese goods, India is proud because they think China needs India?

 

[_Anonymous_]

I wanted to contradict you, but I gave up, I saw that the Indian Air Marshal said exactly the same thing as you, this is the opinion that Indian officials have instilled in Indians, telling Indians that we are strong, the enemy is false, that's all.

He isn't wrong in his assessment. Have you considered the terrain this war will occur in ? Does it look like the great Eurasian steppes to you ? It's mountainous terrain where the average heights are above 5000 mtrs.

In order for the PLA to prosecute a war there you'd need a ratio of anywhere between 7:1 to 9:1 in order to win . PLAAF , PLARF , your support services like Information warfare , cyber warfare , space warfare isn't going to win you those heights , boots on the ground are .

And Mountain warfare is notorious for eating up men . You lose as many if not more men to the elements there than to actual warfare.

Consider this -

China changes Western Theatre Commander again

This is the fourth time that the Chinese President, who is also the Chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), changed the top General since the India-China standoff in Ladakh last year.

www.indiatoday.in

And now consider the fact that the Indian Army has had much more experience of mountain warfare than all of the PLA ever had or will . Google Siachen if you're really interested & you'd understand what I'm talking about .

At the end of the day the CCP didn't withdraw it's forces there because they wanted good relations with India or anything of that sort . If they really wanted good relations they wouldn't have initiated what they did in 2020.

The CCP did so for they failed to realise their objectives there , their inexperience in mountain warfare was exposed , their logistics was being stretched thin , troop rotation which is essential for mountain warfare was taking a toll , the CCP anticipated there's a good chance Trump might come to power which he did & they didn't want distractions on the western border while they were in the middle of a trade war with the US or worse they were in the middle of planning a campaign to retake Taiwan.

Well, I am trying to understand Indian thinking, Indian market is occupied by Chinese goods, India is proud because they think China needs India?

Yes & in which sectors are Chinese goods ruling . It's essentially in the electronics sector of which the Chinese are ruling the roost in the cell phones market of which if you were to parse the information the domination is mostly in the entry level smart phone segment.

That's a market with wafer thin margins which is dominated by the likes of Xiaomi , Oppo , Vivo etc . How are these Chinese companies surviving ? By evading taxes . For more information look up all the articles I've linked in # 1523 in this very thread on Han criminal behaviour.

Post in thread 'Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions' Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

Bottom line , India's just about started developing its electronic sector in the past 4-5 years . We're exactly where China was 20 years ago. As you see this sector develop you'd see Indian equivalents of Xiaomi , Oppo etc come up to challenge the Chinese companies here .