Pakistan test fires 600 km range RAAD-2 ALCM

Some kind of wiring problem our fanboy bot got. In his delusional world the country that is forming committees to get cheaper 'naan' will somehow magically get thousands of RAAD without any regiment and all operationalized regiments of Brahmos will just look at them.

Also not to mention those sitting ducks poorer than rocket "missiles" won't even need SAM and will be shot down with mere Anti Aircraft guns.

Amazing how delusional these fools are!
 
It does not matter how much range you claim. No one is going to buy or test it out or actually use it. The tenacity you bunch brings to compare proven opensource data with mythical/no-one-cares-except-fanboys data and declare yourselves as the winner is admirable. Why not use that afghan connection and get some quality hashish and be done with it.

If the turbojet on the missiles has to surpass the efficiency of western counterparts, think about the hidden gems of scientific advances made by the pakistani scientists in silence.


It started as few ships and handful of MKIs with Brahmos now its 1000 missiles but it doesn't matter because we daily have blown up practice.

*logical reasoning*
Actually he isn't wrong when you think of it. What strategic targets does Pakistan present us? Apart from air, naval & army bases it's their N plant mfg & storage facilities & launch pads for their strategic & tactical missiles. Apart from that, a few dams & those Fauji foundation factories, what else does that elongated stretch of land called Paxtan with no depth offers? Once we've taken them out, there's little of value remaining in Paxtan except civilian areas, cement, textile & sugar mills.
 
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It does not matter how much range you claim. No one is going to buy or test it out or actually use it. The tenacity you bunch brings to compare proven opensource data with mythical/no-one-cares-except-fanboys data and declare yourselves as the winner is admirable. Why not use that afghan connection and get some quality hashish and be done with it.

If the turbojet on the missiles has to surpass the efficiency of western counterparts, think about the hidden gems of scientific advances made by the pakistani scientists in silence.


It started as few ships and handful of MKIs with Brahmos now its 1000 missiles but it doesn't matter because we daily have blown up practice.

*logical reasoning*
And what open source data you are on about?
No country gives "open source" data about their critical weapon systems, it's always judged by the country's own press releases and specs they provide to the world.

Private business ventures such as Brahmos corporation MBDA and Raytheon have to provide additional data to foreign customers about their export products such as Brahmos and SCALP , because they have to sell their product.
But governments who don't intend to export their certain weapon systems such as Raad, are not interested in providing any data to anyone, just press releases.

Your argument does not make much sense .
 
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Some kind of wiring problem our fanboy bot got. In his delusional world the country that is forming committees to get cheaper 'naan' will somehow magically get thousands of RAAD without any regiment and all operationalized regiments of Brahmos will just look at them.

Also not to mention those sitting ducks poorer than rocket "missiles" won't even need SAM and will be shot down with mere Anti Aircraft guns.

Amazing how delusional these fools are!
Proof is in the pudding.
Your Modi sarkaar did threaten us with Brahmos after 27th February 2019. We did tell them of a larger missile attack from Pakistan in response. It is all on record.
And india had to back off.
The standoff was proven by closure of air space .
So there.
If our missiles were that useless, the blood thirsty butcher if Gujrat hadn't given a second thought about firing Brahmos on us, but he had to stop in his tracks.
What made you think Brahmos would be wasted on your cities?
My question was what you gonna do with RAAD? You plan you raining it down on Indian cities or strategic targets? If the later then they are well protected from subsonic ammunition and its been discussed here already. So what the plan here? it's the cities now?
Likewise what made you think that our precious missiles will be used to kill some poor Indians who don't have even access to basic facilities and their death won't matter to anyone ?
 
Btw Brahmos being supersonic and Pindi being just 280km from Pathankot will be a minced meat before any Raad , Babur gets airborne.
Probably Chinese visas stamped on Generals will be ready. And yes yes we actually believe Raads range is 600km and it bounces off the target and they explodes lol
 
Btw Brahmos being supersonic and Pindi being just 280km from Pathankot will be a minced meat before any Raad , Babur gets airborne.
Probably Chinese visas stamped on Generals will be ready. And yes yes we actually believe Raads range is 600km and it bounces off the target and they explodes lol
These situations are enshrined in our military doctrine and war plans.
We also know how far is pindi from pathankot and have planned accordingly.
 
Oops...the lie Pakistanis emit from their bottom...😠
Brahmos attack was planned and would have been executed without any fear of retaliation and this was known to imran Khan and Bajwa. Hence Pakistan brought civilians and were used as human shield to protect oil tanks, naval base, and other assets at Karachi. So that Pakistan could blame india if india did attack and civilians die.
It was wing commander abhinandan who saved Pakistan from that attack and not fear. It was a quid pro quo release of wing commander abhinandan in lieu of stopping of Brahmos attack. Had Abhinandan not been caught no one would have been able to save Pakistan's back...
Narendra Modi is different beast not a congi pimp or weakling...☺☺
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Hooman sheild...
As if Modi or Indians care about our civilians 😁😁
"Pakistanis must die" was the Mantra on every Indian news channel after pulwama and killing more Pakistanis would have brought more votes for Modi.
He wouldn't have stopped at killing one crow and some trees unless he had to ,
 
Nope.
Brahmos air launched is still 400 km range. The ground and sea launched version s will be upgraded to 500 km.
Raad-2 air launched version is 600 km range , which is 200 km better than Brahmos.
Then the question of platform.
Due to 2.5 ton weight when the mothership SU-30 cannot carry it on one hardpoint unless strengthened.
So far only 2 MKI have been strengthened to carry Brahmos and it will max out at 42 .
With strengthening those 42 MKI will become heavier and will lose range and other characteristics permanently anyway. So there is a trade off involved, hence IAF decision to only sacrifice 42 .
It is far difficult to extend range of a supersonic missile by virtue of physics.
Flying at supersonic speeds need exponentially larger thrust and hence fuel.
Then the question of altitude.
To fly at full range the Russian Oniks missile has to fly high high and then low near the target.
At low low flight path its range is less than half as at lower altitude air is like custard for supersonic crafts and most of the fuel energy is wasted as heat due to air friction.

IAF has an oversupply of MKIs. And 42 is still a very large number. All 42 will be distributed amongst all the operational MKI squadrons.

By the time all 200+ Brahmos-A and 42 MKIs are inducted, Brahmos M will become available.

Subsonic missiles don't face such problems and can fly all the way on low altitude path .

Anything that flies faces this problem, including subsonic missiles. So Raad 2's claim of 600Km drops down to 200Km at sea skimming altitude. Harpoon, Uran, Exocet etc, all face this problem.

Picked this up from wiki for the Norwegian JSM:
JSM 185 km (115 mi; 100 nmi)+ low-low-low profile, 555 km (345 mi; 300 nmi)+ hi-hi-low profile

While a Brahmos will fly at 15000 meters most of the time to attain maximum altitude and be visible to radars from 440 km ateast (distance to horizon calculation) , a Raad or SCALP flying at 100 meters will only be visible to surface radars from less than 40 kilometres.

Both types of missiles can fly at any altitude. The naval variant of Brahmos flies at 3m above the waterline, while land variant does 10m above the surface.

Either case, if you want Raad to give you range, you will need to fly it at high altitude. If you want stealth, you have to sacrifice range for terrain hugging mode. So there's no difference in the end compared to Brahmos.

So a Brahmos flying at Mach 2.5 will cover it's entire 500 km range in 10 minutes, and a Raad flying at Mach 0.8 will cover it's entire 600 km range in 37 minutes.
But Brahmos will be visible much earlier due to altitude and raad will come on radars much later.

The 500Km range Brahmos will have a speed of mach 4.5 to mach 5.
Boost for India’s defence! BrahMos, world’s fastest supersonic cruise missile, to have 500-km range
"We will come to hypersound via an increase in range. We have already confirmed 400 kilometres, in order to increase the range to 500, it is needed to increase the speed. Now the missile flies at speeds of 2.8 mach. We will achieve the speed of hypersound through modernization, it is more than 4.5 mach," Maksichev said.

So the flight time for 500Km is just 5 min at max speed, the same as 300Km Brahmos.

At low altitude, the Brahmos' speed can be adjusted to mach 1.2-1.5 in terrain hugging mode in order to increase its range, which is not possible for Raad or SCALP or any rocket-powered missile. During the final terminal phase, the last 50Km, the Brahmos accelerates to its max speed. This is where the ramjet advantage comes from. Even at 3m above the surface of water, the Brahmos can achieve speeds of mach 2.8 or mach 4.5-5 for the last 50Km.

Also, Brahmos can maintain max speed at low altitude from the moment it's fired, at the sacrifice of range. For example, the coastal battery version can cover a distance of 100Km in just 100 seconds at 3m altitude. At 3m, the detection time is just 20 seconds or less, which is nothing.

At 10m altitude, against a radar on a 40m platform as well, you only get 40 seconds to react. So the only way for the Brahmos to be detected is if it's flying at high altitude or an AWACS is watching the ground. And during a Brahmos attack, only 1 Brahmos is flying at high altitude feeding target coordinates to the other 7 at low altitude.

With a mach 4.5 Brahmos, you get just 10 seconds or so. Hell, the reaction time of SAMs themselves is more than that for most types, never mind the entire kill cycle.

Otoh, a subsonic missile, even at 3m altitude, the missile will be detected at least 1.5 min away for the smallest ships and more than 3 min against a 40m mast, which is plenty of time to activate defences and get 2 or even 3 volleys of defensive missiles fired.

With the Brahmos's ability to accelerate or deccelarate depending on the circumstance, it gives you the perfect combination of speed, range and stealth that no other missile can provide.

Even considering Brahmos is detected, Pakistan lacks the defences necessary to kill it anyway, which is a whole different issue, whereas missiles like Raad can be chased down and killed by fighter jets, never mind any ordinary SAM site.
 
What's Pakistani strength in r&d ,does it have any educational institutions of the caliber of iisc and iit.how many patents originated from the county every year,does it even have a semi functional automobile industry ,software of any repute produced and used worldwide , any physicists who is worldwide famous and has worked in Pakistan and rocket scientist who has been globally acknowledged.
Any leadership role in supercomputer,CFD ,wind tunnel any project details with features open for online scrutiny for the world .

Why I asked this is because normally the strength in civilian technology if tried can lead to successful spin-off in military technology.
Similarly the strong military technology can lead to spin-off in civilian technology.

In case of the Pakistan none of the above case exist ,if wrong u can correct me.

How do I come to that conclusion ? By looking at your export -import basket
Your export is totally Agri commodity dominated (don't go on those retarded logic of jf17).

So an economy which is Agri based ,technology deficient in both hardware and software . you want me to believe can develop command and communication,guidance as well as propeller and other hardware in niche technological area.

Or apart from nust I have not heard of any worthwhile institutions in Pakistan.
So you want me to believe that a society who is living in 1500 old Islamic dogma and is conservative in Outlook is so talented that it can develop world class product in the presence of non existent r&d funding .

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So 2 cases happens in the absence of comptroller and auditor general like institutions in Pakistan and also since it is a sham democracy ruled by military.
1)
Most of it's claim is outright lie in the absence of any hard fact about it's domestic developed weapon system ,just like Iranian claim about it's helicopter ,fighter plane,drones and missiles. the world only ignores it .you may ask then why India doesn't attack Pakistan answer is not even america attacked Iran or South Korea attacked North Korea .
But by no stretch of imagination world called them powerful vis a vis America and South Korea they didn't attack them as they has too much to loose in comparison to the beggars.

2)so what is the case since the country is any case vassal state of china most of it's weapon are made in China ,built by China and painted in Green and off course bakhshish from USA once in a while for waging the tail

Of course they are dangerous too ,but don't pretend what you are simply not.
So what you are ???

As we see so many repair shop managed by minority community in India and they are good at repairing as it is an iterative job and doesn't require any know why. I guess you won't call them Tata and Mahindra designer they are simply mechanic.
So are you ppl minor tweaks here and there doesn't create any world class industry and weapon
 
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Proof is in the pudding.
Your Modi sarkaar did threaten us with Brahmos after 27th February 2019. We did tell them of a larger missile attack from Pakistan in response. It is all on record.
And india had to back off.
The standoff was proven by closure of air space .
So there.
If our missiles were that useless, the blood thirsty butcher if Gujrat hadn't given a second thought about firing Brahmos on us, but he had to stop in his tracks.

No offence, but 1000s of families who lived through a week long blackout in Malir Cantonment, Karachi disagrees with you. Dont tell me it never happened, unless you dont have the courtesy to be atleast honest.

For all the big talk, PA was forced to enforce black out not for 1 night but for a week. Somehow that doesn't add up as actions of a fearless army to me. In all honesty, kiss the Saudis and Emiratis for saving your *censored* that night and save the big words for another time. 🙂

Good Day!
 
No offence, but 1000s of families who lived through a week long blackout in Malir Cantonment, Karachi disagrees with you. Dont tell me it never happened, unless you dont have the courtesy to be atleast honest.

For all the big talk, PA was forced to enforce black out not for 1 night but for a week. Somehow that doesn't add up as actions of a fearless army to me. In all honesty, kiss the Saudis and Emiratis for saving your *censored* that night and save the big words for another time. 🙂

Good Day!
Lol..
You have no idea.
Blackout are common in Pakistan and don't bother us..
😁😁
Plus all cantonment observe blackout during days of war threat.
Again doesn't bother us.
 
Lol..
You have no idea.
Blackout are common in Pakistan and don't bother us..
😁😁

Sure and if it's common in Pakistan for people to indulge in prayers all night and talk about not making it to the next day, guess there is nothing left to do. That level of paranoia and fear in people and army alike is enough victory for any adversary.

And sure it doesn't bother so called patriots living in the comfort of Britain, but it was enough for those people who lived through that week. Ask them now and they will still speak of it. Appreciate your audacity to still talk big, that requires some serious thick skin. Anyway's I'm out.

Good Day!
 
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No you can't .
The total inventory of Brahmos was limited to 2000 missiles as it's a commercial venture. Out of which India had to have only 1000 and the rest were slated for export which never happened.

Who told you such things? Who on earth creates such limits anyway? There is no limit to the number.

The 2000 missiles was just a projection to start the project. The actual number for India itself has surpassed that a long time ago.

The program started with 500 each for Russia and India and 1000 for export. This is where 2000 comes from. But the IA alone has absorbed 500 missiles and still counting. IAF has taken in 216. And you only need to count the number of ships, both operational and planned, to know how many the navy will operate. And this is just for Brahmos-1. Not Brahmos-M or Brahmos-II. Or even highly modernised versions of Brahmos-1. Even without counting the new variants, India will absorb 1000+ missiles from the Brahmos-1 family.

IAF alone will absorb as much as 500+ Brahmos-Ms, if not 1000. This will be the main air-launched missile after all. The IN will also need 500+ for submarines and 200 for fighter jets. And who knows how many the army will need.

There really is no limit. It's simply a very, very successful program.

We literally had far far more suicide and IED bombing than that , in explosive amount, over the last 15 years and we are still here.
Just one such incident the Marriott terrorism used 20 tons of explosives mounted on a truck. That's equivalent to 100 Brahmos of 200 kg warhead each .
Also I don't know how old you are, but Google "Ojhri camp" incident. Rockets and projectiles rained down on capital city Islamabad and adjacent Rawalpindi for almost 48 hours straight.
So next time you try to scare us...just remember, we been through far worse

The quality of the attack matters more. A single Brahmos penetrating inside the Marriott can do a whole lot more damage than many times that explosive from the outside. Haven't you seen the film Armageddon?

Just one such incident the Marriott terrorism used 20 tons of explosives mounted on a truck.

Check again.
 
These situations are enshrined in our military doctrine and war plans.
We also know how far is pindi from pathankot and have planned accordingly.
Yeah yeah only Pakistan has planed everything while we are sitting , doing nothing
 
Sure and if it's common in Pakistan for people to indulge in prayers all night and talk about not making it to the next day, guess there is nothing left to do. That level of paranoia and fear in people and army alike is enough victory for any adversary.

And sure it doesn't bother so called patriots living in the comfort of Britain, but it was enough for those people who lived through that week. Ask them now and they will still speak of it. Appreciate your audacity to still talk big, that requires some serious thick skin. Anyway's I'm out.

Good Day!

What? 😁😁
We never were and never will be that scared of India. That's guaranteed.
While Narendra Modi was frothing about Pakistan in every election rally , life was going as normal in Pakistan.
 
What? 😁😁
We never were and never will be that scared of India. That's guaranteed.
While Narendra Modi was frothing about Pakistan in every election rally , life was going as normal in Pakistan.

But your PM was not that mode on those days., he himself claimed calling Modi 3 times but no talk!

As rick says, some of your old friends saved you, else it would have very catastropic to you.
 
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Yeah yeah only Pakistan has planed everything while we are sitting , doing nothing
No, it's not that.
We know geographically ours is a narrow country and all strategic targets are 20 minutes or less flight for IAF ,and they can do a few rounds in case of an all out attack , before we can do anything.
This aspect is enshrined in our military doctrine and war plans set accordingly.
We follow Swedish ideology of military warfare.
Which was a result of 1939 invasion of Finland by USSR and as a result all Baltic countries felt threatened including Sweden.
Swedish generals calculated that a Soviet onslaught can't be stopped and not feasible.
What Swedish military can do in retaliation will count.
Hence the policy of keeping all assets small, mobile and distributed.
I have lived in Sweden and they have long stretches of motorways, straight and without street lights , so that their small on purpose jet the Grippen can land and take off....after assumed Soviet attack which destroyed all air bases.
Their military bases are small and distributed far and wide.... So that any large military attacking them will have to use far too many resources to try and attack all , and assets are mobile so that they can move before the arrival of incoming attack.
Same for their navy, all ships small and many.
And string network infrastructure, so that information can be passed quick and with redundancy.
Our military doctrine and war plans are based on the same.
 
MIRV? when where?

Oh...are you stuck on the video?
It wasn't official video. I compiled it myself.
There was a 3-4 frame (not even seconds) leftover footage of the Raad-1 flying really low from an ISPR video...which they forgot to edit out or edited but a few frames were left.
I noticed and looped it in my compilation to show how low the missile flies.
On a side note I haven't seen any video of Brahmos flying low.
Post one.
It's because there is no aircraft in indian inventory as of now which can run at interception speed against Bramhos supersonic missile to catch the video as you suggested. You can at most view last stage frames. Thank you.
 
You guys are only feeding a troll. He is joking around with you all, inside he knows the reality of their missile program. This is why US had put sanctions on their companies in 2017. They were getting the tehnology from China and other black markets in the name of civilian use but end users were military.

The reality is the best Uni in Pakistan is NUST, and if you look at the research profile of this university even a third class engineering college in Pune has better portfolio and facility.

Come on guys, stop educating the jaahils.

This is their top class research in their country on AI, and electronics see the list

NUST-SEECS Research Publications
 
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No, it's not that.
We know geographically ours is a narrow country and all strategic targets are 20 minutes or less flight for IAF ,and they can do a few rounds in case of an all out attack , before we can do anything.
This aspect is enshrined in our military doctrine and war plans set accordingly.
We follow Swedish ideology of military warfare.
Which was a result of 1939 invasion of Finland by USSR and as a result all Baltic countries felt threatened including Sweden.
Swedish generals calculated that a Soviet onslaught can't be stopped and not feasible.
What Swedish military can do in retaliation will count.
Hence the policy of keeping all assets small, mobile and distributed.
I have lived in Sweden and they have long stretches of motorways, straight and without street lights , so that their small on purpose jet the Grippen can land and take off....after assumed Soviet attack which destroyed all air bases.
Their military bases are small and distributed far and wide.... So that any large military attacking them will have to use far too many resources to try and attack all , and assets are mobile so that they can move before the arrival of incoming attack.
Same for their navy, all ships small and many.
And string network infrastructure, so that information can be passed quick and with redundancy.
Our military doctrine and war plans are based on the same.

The Swedish doctrine can't be compared to the one Pakistan has when facing India.

The difference is the Soviet Union wouldn't invade the Nordic countries first, but Western Europe. So the defence of the Nordic countries lay in the defence of Western Europe. And the Swedes aimed to pepper the Soviets with some attacks in order to keep them out of their area of interest.

But in the Indo-Pak scenario, Pakistan has to face the full brunt of the attack, so in the event of a successful push from the Indian side, you can expect that most of the motorways of eastern half of Pakistan will have fallen under Indian control in just a few days, because unlike in Sweden, India can actually use battle tanks effectively in Pakistan.

It's more accurate to say PAF has created options in the event the Indian side screws up and allows the PAF some flexibility to operate some jets from some motorways that have not yet been captured. But this is not like the Swedish doctrine at all.

The fact is Pakistan needs the doctrine that NATO used to combat the Soviet Union in Western Europe, because any attempt to use the Swedish doctrine against India will end in utter failure. But PA/PAF know that they can't afford to employ such a doctrine, so they have decided to fool people like you by claiming they will use the entirely unworkable Swedish doctrine instead.

PA and PAF have outdated and obsolete tanks and aircraft, and PN has small ships, not because they are following the Swedish doctrine, but that they are too poor and cannot stay up to date. What you actually need to be is like the French. You need advanced tanks and aircraft, SSNs and CBGs, along with plenty of force multipliers in order to combat India. Otoh, your "Swedish doctrine" will fail once India crosses the border.