Pakistan test fires 600 km range RAAD-2 ALCM
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Its a big joke comparing RAAD with SCALP.Scalp's navigation system is far more accurate,its range is 550 km.But most critical factor is SCALP can one shot any hardened target due to its BROACH warhead whereas cheap subsonics like RAAD are helpless against hardened targets or underground command centres.India will get more than a 100 SCALP with rafale.And also have ordered 200 air launched brahmos from sukhois.
May I remind you that SCALP is also subsonic?
Also only Britain specific version of SCALP the Storm Shadow has 550 km range.
All export versions of SCALP are limited to 400 km
Did you care to even read that article you posted link of. It clearly states Air to Air version of Brahmos....
It's a proposal to develop a more than 400kms range Air to Air version.
That's why I had stated said range of 400kms is for this particular version. Real deal is 550kms which is being enhanced to 800kms and more....
I wasn't talking about anything proposed. I was on about things that exist or at least test fired.Did you care to even read that article you posted link of. It clearly states Air to Air version of Brahmos....
It's a proposal to develop a more than 400kms range Air to Air version.
That's why I had stated said range of 400kms is for this particular version. Real deal is 550kms which is being enhanced to 800kms and more....
Can you or anyone else give another example of a cruise missile converted into air to air missile?
I never heard anything like that and the article is most probably banana journalism.
Every new weapons development is never heard of. Before 1945, atom bomb too was unheard of. It's a proposal to develop and that's what is called research and development, no green paints and funny names. Although I do agree it will be too expensive, complicated and not required in era of meteor, sfdr missiles...
Russia ready to test extended-range Oniks missile variant | Jane's 360
The range can be extended to 800Km. Brahmos 1 will get the same upgrade.
Currently india is upgrading Brahmos to 500 km and even that work hasn't been completed.
The 800 km Oniks-m is an entirely new missile not an upgrade of existing one.
From the few pictures I can find on the internet, it looks like a much longer missile owing to a larger solid motor booster and only sea launched version.
Already completed. It's entering the testing phase, which means it's pretty much where the Raad-2 is today.
Upgrade or new is just semantics. Whether it's increasing speed or increasing range, both require major modifications to the point where it's a whole new missile. Including the near-hypersonic ramjet version and the 800Km version.
The Oniks and Oniks-M share the same weight and dimensions. Like the Su-30 and Su-35. So it won't be difficult to derive the air-launched version from the M as well.
Nope.
Brahmos air launched is still 400 km range. The ground and sea launched version s will be upgraded to 500 km.
Raad-2 air launched version is 600 km range , which is 200 km better than Brahmos.
Then the question of platform.
Due to 2.5 ton weight when the mothership SU-30 cannot carry it on one hardpoint unless strengthened.
So far only 2 MKI have been strengthened to carry Brahmos and it will max out at 42 .
With strengthening those 42 MKI will become heavier and will lose range and other characteristics permanently anyway. So there is a trade off involved, hence IAF decision to only sacrifice 42 .
It is far difficult to extend range of a supersonic missile by virtue of physics.
Flying at supersonic speeds need exponentially larger thrust and hence fuel.
Then the question of altitude.
To fly at full range the Russian Oniks missile has to fly high high and then low near the target.
At low low flight path its range is less than half as at lower altitude air is like custard for supersonic crafts and most of the fuel energy is wasted as heat due to air friction.
Subsonic missiles don't face such problems and can fly all the way on low altitude path .
While a Brahmos will fly at 15000 meters most of the time to attain maximum altitude and be visible to radars from 440 km ateast (distance to horizon calculation) , a Raad or SCALP flying at 100 meters will only be visible to surface radars from less than 40 kilometres.
So a Brahmos flying at Mach 2.5 will cover it's entire 500 km range in 10 minutes, and a Raad flying at Mach 0.8 will cover it's entire 600 km range in 37 minutes.
But Brahmos will be visible much earlier due to altitude and raad will come on radars much later.
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Does pakistan have means to shoot down a Brahmos? Becos India has the capability can knock Raad out of the sky.
Most of the Pakistani population lives on eastern side of Indus. If we launch Brahmos from Kutch it will land in west of karachi. So you are all covered.
Forget 400 600 it has become irrelevant now.
It can be extended and I am not going to educate you how. You are here to collect OSINT from people.
We know about your radars, which failed to detect mirage 2000 over balakot.
Probably not. But with ample early warning we can launch a far larger counter attack.
It's funny how you internet fanboy consider yourself so knowledgeable that I will come here to collect "military intelligence" from you.
Please don't flatter yourself
Larger in numbers? Do you have the count of the missiles produced? What if India launches an even larger counter-attack? Obviously you cannot
match India missile to missile so whats the plan here? To first strike?
About Brahmos and its range. We in Pakistan knew from day one that the 290 km range was only a firmware lock which Russia placed to comply with international missile export treaties.
But from Day one Brahmos already had close to 500 km range and always carried fuel for that range.
That's why we never stopped increasing ranges and variety of our cruise missiles because increasing the range of ground and sea launched Brahmos was always just a matter of updating the firmware.
But from Day one Brahmos already had close to 500 km range and always carried fuel for that range.
That's why we never stopped increasing ranges and variety of our cruise missiles because increasing the range of ground and sea launched Brahmos was always just a matter of updating the firmware.
No you can't .
The total inventory of Brahmos was limited to 2000 missiles as it's a commercial venture. Out of which India had to have only 1000 and the rest were slated for export which never happened.
At most you will have 1000 or less brahmos.
Each with 200 kg warhead.
If all are fired at Pakistan that's 200,000 kg or 200 tons of explosives.
We literally had far far more suicide and IED bombing than that , in explosive amount, over the last 15 years and we are still here.
Just one such incident the Marriott terrorism used 20 tons of explosives mounted on a truck. That's equivalent to 100 Brahmos of 200 kg warhead each .
Also I don't know how old you are, but Google "Ojhri camp" incident. Rockets and projectiles rained down on capital city Islamabad and adjacent Rawalpindi for almost 48 hours straight.
So next time you try to scare us...just remember, we been through far worse
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What made you think Brahmos would be wasted on your cities?No you can't .
The total inventory of Brahmos was limited to 2000 missiles as it's a commercial venture. Out of which India had to have only 1000 and the rest were slated for export which never happened.
At most you will have 1000 or less brahmos.
Each with 200 kg warhead.
If all are fired at Pakistan that's 200,000 kg or 200 tons of explosives.
We literally had far far more suicide and IED bombing than that , in explosive amount, over the last 15 years and we are still here.
Just one such incident the Marriott terrorism used 20 tons of explosives mounted on a truck. That's equivalent to 100 Brahmos of 200 kg warhead each .
Also I don't know how old you are, but Google "Ojhri camp" incident. Rockets and projectiles rained down on capital city Islamabad and adjacent Rawalpindi for almost 48 hours straight.
So next time you try to scare us...just remember, we been through far worse
My question was what you gonna do with RAAD? You plan you raining it down on Indian cities or strategic targets? If the later then they are well protected from subsonic ammunition and its been discussed here already. So what the plan here? it's the cities now?
It does not matter how much range you claim. No one is going to buy or test it out or actually use it. The tenacity you bunch brings to compare proven opensource data with mythical/no-one-cares-except-fanboys data and declare yourselves as the winner is admirable. Why not use that afghan connection and get some quality hashish and be done with it.
If the turbojet on the missiles has to surpass the efficiency of western counterparts, think about the hidden gems of scientific advances made by the pakistani scientists in silence.
It started as few ships and handful of MKIs with Brahmos now its 1000 missiles but it doesn't matter because we daily have blown up practice.
*logical reasoning*