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At the time USSR was sitting in Finland which borders Sweden.
India Pakistan is different, I agree . India is no USSR and Pakistan is no Sweden.
Pakistan test fires 600 km range RAAD-2 ALCM
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At the time USSR was sitting in Finland which borders Sweden.
India Pakistan is different, I agree . India is no USSR and Pakistan is no Sweden.
We do bang them hard but they seem to have huge libido and come back wanting for more and more and more (1965, 71 Bangladesh, 84 Siachen, 98 kargil) ....
I had fotos of Pak civilians sitting on oil tanks and naval base in Karachi to save from Indian attack but could not locate now. Once I locate I'll post it for sure. They had planned if india attacks civilians should die so that it creates world attention to build pressure on India to stop India from banging them...
We don't reinvent the wheel. If something is available from the market, we will buy and deploy.
Unlike India we are not in the habit of turning ever defence project into a PHD thesis and earning opportunity for Ambani .
We keep it simple and hence the successes.
A very obvious example is LCA Tejas Vs Jf-17.
India turned Tejas into PHD thesis, trying to reinvent everything and it got delayed so much that it's irrelevant now.
Pakistan used off the shelf parts and cobbled together JF-17 which works and is in service and 110 of them and past two blocks and going towards the third.
That's the benefit of keeping things simple and not turn it into unnecessary research project.
In the mid 90s I for myself brought samples of solid fuel from Ukraine, which was later reverse engineered . That saved time and money which Pakistan would have spent in trying to make own rocket fuel.
So there.
You guys can continue your OHD thesis. We intend to keep it simple.
It doesn't matter where USSR was sitting. The first hostilities would break out over Western Europe. What Finland would face would be the Union's second or third rung troops, with a wait and see what we will do once Western Europe is done for approach.
No. We used to be like USSR with their fighting doctrine since the 80s. Like the use of Strike Corps and RAPIDs. Now we have exceeded them with our new Cold Start doctrine being incorporated. We are more like the Americans + the USSR now, with the American BCGs and the Soviet Strike Corps. So now we can start a war within 24 hours like the Americans and then follow that up with a Soviet punch with the Strike Corps.
As for the navy and air force, both were built like the Western navies and air forces, but while the navy operated like a Western navy, the air force operated like the Union's, ie, support the army's advance, but this worked for us at the time considering the technology. Now even our air force has been moving towards Western standards for the better part of 3 decades. It's more prudent to say the army and air force have now built their own Indian doctrine, which is neither Western nor Union.
Pakistan is like how Pakistan has always been. Had some ability in the 60s, when India had none, and then proceeded to become useless after that. Sprinkle some propaganda over that and you get modern Pakistan.
Of course that's exactly what you guys are doing.
Who built the engine for RAAd 2 forget RAAD 2 tell me where and how you got the engine for RAAD1? Where is the test facility? You don't even have a proper anechoic chamber and you are testing telemtry devices and radars? Another BS!
And you are foolishly comparing a Supersonic cruise Missile to a sub sonic cruise missile? Only nut jobbers do that. Then you come u witha stupid dick measuring contest analogy, oh my missile has 600km range yours is just 400 km range. This doesn't give you any specific advantage when we can shoot down all your air assets with s300 and Akash.
Does it make any difference? Your whole Pakistan breadth is merely 700 km wide most of yur population lives close to border, you think we will not launch Brahmos on them?
Dude talk some sense then if you want proper replies.
Your airspace closure, ours was close for an hour or so right after dogfight and it was business as usual.
As far as Modi talking about Pakistan in rally goes your PM cant even sleep without tweeting about India. You may want to check about it before trying to present yourself as some "normal". You are not normal, nobody in your country is.
And that's Prime Minister of India you were talking about, you are on an Indian forum you will address him like that, not like your madarsa talk of butcher and all, otherwise you will be kicked out so that's that.
Just half hearted attempt from India made your PM sweat so badly that he was calling whole night from India to US, you may want to listen to his own confession and did I tell you that just before 15min of our Joint Commander Press Conference Imran surrendered? Tried desperately to get a call back but like a true Pakistani wet the pant right before deadline. That's all on record btw, in words of your own PM.
Being said that we still think we let go of golden opportunity to cure the world of cancer, to save lives of thousands in Afghanistan and other places. We just hope you provide us second chance and we will see how Mard-e-Momin will rain missiles on us.
You wet the pant again on 370 and didn't even attempt terrorist attack forget direct action your coward COAS shamelessly boasts everyday. When will those muftkhors feasting on poor awaam of Pakistan defend Kashmir and take revenge of 370? What happened to "we will go to any extent"? What hole are they hiding now? We are waiting, come on, for once stay true to what you say.
Sure. It's not like we are the richest country on earth. There are such holes in every military, even amongst the richest. However, we do have the ability to fix those holes.
But this doesn't change what the discussion was about. In terms of doctrine, we have been constantly improving while Pakistan has shown no such improvement.
So, all I did was to draw circles of 290 KM from Bhuj, Amritsar, Srinagar, Jaisalmer and Bikaner. ALL except Quetta Pakistan's PAF bases are covered in this range. Su30 MKIs operating above the skies of these cities can take out ALL Pakistani bases right from Indian soil. All except Quetta.
Now Do we need ALCM with bigger range? No.
Will we get ALCM with bigger range? HELL YES!
What?
We never were and never will be that scared of India. That's guaranteed.
While Narendra Modi was frothing about Pakistan in every election rally , life was going as normal in Pakistan.
Looks like I know about your country's affair more than you then, you should probably stick to just talking about India then and let me talk about your country. Lol
Anyways if you honestly didn't know, I'd recommend you to verify with residents there. I have access to first hand information from there and it's true that PA's Malir Cantonment in Karachi had blackout for nearly a week and some of your brave Generals were quick to send their spouse and young children to their families in UK. Meanwhile, PDF fanboys were living in the illusion that PA was going to teach India a lesson.
Why are you lot so disconnected from the reality?
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This Paad 2 is a failed missile, the videos are there it missed the target and crashed somewhere. These people don't have any test beds or facilities to develop missiles. one they are out of stock they are doomed. This is why they are not fighting any war.
Errrr.Looks like I know about your country's affair more than you then, you should probably stick to just talking about India then and let me talk about your country. Lol
Anyways if you honestly didn't know, I'd recommend you to verify with residents there. I have access to first hand information from there and it's true that PA's Malir Cantonment in Karachi had blackout for nearly a week and some of your brave Generals were quick to send their spouse and young children to their families in UK. Meanwhile, PDF fanboys were living in the illusion that PA was going to teach India a lesson.
It's a military protocol that all military areas get blackout during times of a war threat .
Malir is a cantonment. It's just a small part of Karachi. Manors island also gets blackout. I was trained there and and myself witnessed blackout during war threat times. It's just normal procedure for all military establishments. So I am not sure what you guys are harping about?
Hmmm.
I like what you did. Good presentation.
However this was the selectable target map given to PM of Pakistan in front of ministers and all military brass, by the PAF chief . The military and civilian leadership held a joint meeting after 26th February indian strike on our territory to discuss how to reply.
As per off the record statement by a federal minister Asad umer, the entire committee was surprised by the depth of targets shown as within range and capabilities of PAF on the map.
The air chief was adamant and asked the committee to give go ahead for any target or targets and PAF will hit them.
So there are two possibilities. Either our air chief is stupid or our Air force really has the capability of striking that deep inside India.
I will go with the second option. You guys surely will go with the first option
Oh well, air chief can be adamant and all. Its one thing to say it another to have capability and totally another to actually do it.
Take Feb 27th for that matter. Pakistan flew its entire airforce and could not even hit one single target. ONE SINGLE TARGET. All your H-4s either fell in the field or exploded away from the target. And this was with H-4 with CEP 3 meters. One H-4 even hit the a damn tree and exploded. 3 were lying in the field UNEXPLODED.
As I say : Word is not the capability and is certainly not the action.
I don't know. Your chiefs have a habit of over-estimating their strength. Remember '65? '99?I will go with the second option. You guys surely will go with the first option
Remember all wars.
Had family involved in all. Thread will go off topic , so skip it.
Entire PAF was up in the air on 26th not 27th.
Hmmm.
I like what you did. Good presentation.
However this was the selectable target map given to PM of Pakistan in front of ministers and all military brass, by the PAF chief . The military and civilian leadership held a joint meeting after 26th February indian strike on our territory to discuss how to reply.
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As per off the record statement by a federal minister Asad umer, the entire committee was surprised by the depth of targets shown as within range and capabilities of PAF on the map.
The air chief was adamant and asked the committee to give go ahead for any target or targets and PAF will hit them.
So there are two possibilities. Either our air chief is stupid or our Air force really has the capability of striking that deep inside India.
I will go with the second option. You guys surely will go with the first option
Looks like PAF has assumed that Imran Khan is a fool. I am just wondering what if you had selected Lucknow
PAF couldn't hit a target close to LC lol.
@Mods this is a troll thread I have repeatedly asked you to remove Pakistani propaganda.
SCALP despite being subsonic,has far better navigation as well as being a real penetrator warhead in BROACH..RAAD is a cheap subsonic.Even 50 TOMAHAWKS launched against a syrian airfield didn't do much damage,but BROACH will one shot any hardened target or command centre.
Yes they did shoot down one of their own a few days after 27th feb.