People's Liberation Army Air Force : News & Discussions
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India also allowed it to some extent by always making itself an enemy of the West and siding with USSR/Russia.
You should read up on history.
India didn't side with the USSR. The West chose Pakistan and armed it, to the point where Pak invaded India with free Western supplied weapons in 1965. Before that India was in the Drink the Kool-Aid era, where our leaders thought we didn't even need an army because we were peaceful.
The US also consistently worked against Indian interests, and the only way to counter that was to "ally" with the USSR in 1971. This move was made after the Sino-Soviet split in 1969, which led to the US allying itself with China, which meant the US allied with both of India's enemies.
So, no, it's all the Wests' fault.
Also, the deal we made with the USSR had a lot more to do with the USSR helping us guarantee our neutrality on international issues rather than an alliance in exchange for market access. So our policy has been consistent since our independence.
Right now, we are sort of siding with the Russians because they are far more trustworthy, helped a lot by our symbiotic economic and political relations. Maybe if the UK gave up its UNSC seat to India, then we could start talking about building trust. At this time, India-West relations are mostly all just words being thrown about with nothing concrete happening on the ground that would help build trust, like what the USSR did with India back in the 70s and mid-80s.
Your enemies are not our enemies.
India made itself enemy of the West?? Now you're streching your imagination and are borderline defaming India.
India throughout its thousands of years of history has never been enemy of any other state or country. In fact India has always given the world proper knowledge of "vashudev kutumbkam"(the whole world is one family).
It's you war mongering colonial people who never listened. And now you're calling India enemy of the West?
CIA killed our scientists and our top leaders, West did everything to stop India becoming super power. But now India is itself an important power centre of the world. Keep on hating and trolling, India shall continue to prosper...
I stand by what I said, just read the comments of you two on this forum.
Pakistan, for all its faults was smart enough to align with NATO from early on. They had suffered the same colonial oppression as India but they were still smart enough to do that.
It's obvious why US companies farmed jobs out to China instead of India just from reading your comments. Your prolonged hatred of the West is ridiculous, and this prevented them from wanting to work with you. You proved to be no ally against the USSR, and so they were left with China, which was never their preferred option, it was just the only option they were left with.
Even when they offer friendship, you don't want it, you prefer Russia, and so Russia is what you have. Now your only friend is a bigger friend of your largest enemy, who supports your other enemy. Basically, your stupidity, naivety and lack of strategic vision has left you surrounded by enemies. Not enemies across the oceans, or a continent away, but next door. And BRICS is a folly only comparable to the EU's reliance on Russian gas. Then you claim to be 'gurus.'
Pakistan, for all its faults was smart enough to align with NATO from early on. They had suffered the same colonial oppression as India but they were still smart enough to do that.
It's obvious why US companies farmed jobs out to China instead of India just from reading your comments. Your prolonged hatred of the West is ridiculous, and this prevented them from wanting to work with you. You proved to be no ally against the USSR, and so they were left with China, which was never their preferred option, it was just the only option they were left with.
Even when they offer friendship, you don't want it, you prefer Russia, and so Russia is what you have. Now your only friend is a bigger friend of your largest enemy, who supports your other enemy. Basically, your stupidity, naivety and lack of strategic vision has left you surrounded by enemies. Not enemies across the oceans, or a continent away, but next door. And BRICS is a folly only comparable to the EU's reliance on Russian gas. Then you claim to be 'gurus.'
Pakistan didn't choose, the US did. Pakistan was bang in the center of the SU, China, India and Iran.
Your knowledge in this matter is very telling.
Even when they offer friendship, you don't want it, you prefer Russia, and so Russia is what you have. Now your only friend is a bigger friend of your largest enemy, who supports your other enemy. Basically, your stupidity, naivety and lack of strategic vision has left you surrounded by enemies. Not enemies across the oceans, or a continent away, but next door. And BRICS is a folly only comparable to the EU's reliance on Russian gas. Then you claim to be 'gurus.'
The West is not asking for friendship, it's asking for subservience.
We have had those enemies long before the West even came into existence.
India, due to its size, will always be seen as an imperial power, a hegemon or even an enemy, it's a fate we cannot escape from. So, knowing that reality, we will have to deal with such situations cautiously.
Building trust requires transfer of power, not words of gratitude and good feelings. Until then you guys keep fighting the Russians on your own. So you can fight China on your own as well, there is no question in the minds of Indians that when the time comes when we have to deal with China, we will be abandoned by the West too.
They did actually, but yes, they were smart enough to consider their surroundings before acting, a piece of advice that cannot be overstated in value.
Nope, the West would have preferred a democratic ally but that option was unavailable.
You keep saying this, and that's why you are where you are. Yet the example of Chinese relations during the Cold War proves you wrong.
Then you should have known better.
You keep making these wild claims and this is why you are where you are. You write off any kind of alliance or relationship based on your own paranoias and preconceived fears, which in turn realises those fears. Kind of like somebody else.
What power do you refer to? And again, you are making claims based on paranoias and preconceived fears, which in turn realises those fears.
Wow.....seems that China has now over 200 J20s and over 240 J16s. According to this source:
www.defensenews.com
Real worrying signs for both IAF and USAF I think.
Zhuhai Airshow display reveals info on China’s J-20, J-16 inventory
The presence of J-20s on static display at the show has allowed photographers to obtain better resolution images of the aircraft than previously possible.
www.defensenews.com
Real worrying signs for both IAF and USAF I think.
FH-97A loyal wingman autonomous drone
Airshow China 2022: CASC unveils FH-97A loyal wingman autonomous drone
Airshow China 2022: CASC unveils FH-97A loyal wingman autonomous drone
www.airrecognition.com
Rough translation:
MD-22 is a reusable, near space hypersonic technology wide-range test aircraft.
1. Dimension: 10.8m (length) × 4.5m (width) × 1.6m (height), not including landing gear
2. Weight: 1 ton (normal), 4 tons (max takeoff)
3. Load factor: Around 15%
4. Purpose: Usage for a series of technical verifications and in-situ scientific experiments in near space for the plane to and from the sky.
5. Able to combine the usage of different propulsion systems onboard
6. Speed of operation: Mach 0 - Mach 7
7. Able to take off by itself or launched using rocket booster.
8. Max range: 8000 km
9. Has the ability to implement 6g stable disk overload maneuvering flight under moderate and extreme conditions.
isn't this pic weird?
J-16 and J-20
shadow of the J-16,
sizes of the guys (compare the one forefront wearing a mask, with the one in the watchtower or even w/ the J-16 pilots...
Wow.....seems that China has now over 200 J20s and over 240 J16s. According to this source:
Zhuhai Airshow display reveals info on China’s J-20, J-16 inventory
The presence of J-20s on static display at the show has allowed photographers to obtain better resolution images of the aircraft than previously possible.
Real worrying signs for both IAF and USAF I think.
Not yet. But in 2-3 years, they will be. They have jets, but not the experienced pilots yet.
Against India, they need more numbers, and against the USAF, they need numbers and tech.
Once they get to 500, at least the IAF will most definitely be in trouble. By then, they will have the numbers, tech and pilots. Let's just hope our new ADGE will even the odds.
I'm hoping it will take at least 5+ years for the PLAAF to get expert J-20 pilots.
In the next 5 years they definitely would have over 500 J20s(that too with advance supercruising engines) at the rate they are acquiring them.
But then India's cutting edge SAM acquisitions and strength would also increase by multifold. And Himalayas shall always create more problems for the attacking Chinese than us.
But increasing J20 numbers is a definite worry for us. From 2002 to 2017 we enjoyed tech superiority over the Chinese thanks to MKI. But now I am not too sure even with Rafale acquisition. We need at least 50-100 5th gen planes in the next 5/7 years to counter this Chinese 5th gen threat. Looks like our AMCA would only come online post 2030. So what are our options? Su57 or F35!