I'm sure India will have cut the deal in case of a serious leak.
The stolen documents was mainly marketing ones.
Project 75 India Diesel-electric Submarine Programs (SSK) : Updates and Discussions
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HSL plans bid for submarine project
By Shaukat Mohammed | TNN | Jan 7, 2020, 4:25 IST
Vijayawada: Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL) is laying the ground to bid for and win the contract to build at least six submarines for Indian Navy, in partnership with Adani group, even as it is focused on completing its pending contracts on time, HSL chairman and managing director Rear Admiral (Retd) LV Sarat Babu said on Monday.
Speaking to TOI from Visakhapatnam, Sarat Babu said HSL has decided ‘in principle’ to set up a special purpose vehicle (SPV) with the Adani group. “The decision is in principle because it will have to be approved by the ministry of defence (MoD). Adani group and HSL have not reached a stage to decide on the shareholding in the SPV,” he said, while adding that the partnership is aimed at leveraging its balance sheet.
“Adani group will give us the financial muscle to bid for the six submarines. We would be providing the technical expertise,” he said.
Asked whether HSL had the technical expertise to build a highly sophisticated vessel like a submarine, Sarat Babu said the shipyard has a long experience in retrofitting submarines. “We have retrofitted several submarines from scratch, so we have the expertise in what goes into its construction. Some of our competitors have expertise in constructing the hull of the submarine. We will be able to source this expertise as well if we win the contract,” he added.
The six submarines are estimated to cost Rs 50,000 crore. Sarat Babu said besides its technical expertise, HSL has also developed a workforce which can execute the submarine project.
Meanwhile, as it waits for the MoD to release its request for proposal (RfP) for the project, HSL, which was set up in 1941 by Seth Walchand Hirachand, is focused on meeting its other deadlines. “We will be delivering a retrofitted submarine to the Indian Navy on January 31. ahead of schedule. In November, we had delivered two of the last six 10-tonne bollard pull tugs to the Navy two weeks ahead of schedule,” he informed.
HSL plans bid for submarine project | Visakhapatnam News - Times of India
By Shaukat Mohammed | TNN | Jan 7, 2020, 4:25 IST
Vijayawada: Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL) is laying the ground to bid for and win the contract to build at least six submarines for Indian Navy, in partnership with Adani group, even as it is focused on completing its pending contracts on time, HSL chairman and managing director Rear Admiral (Retd) LV Sarat Babu said on Monday.
Speaking to TOI from Visakhapatnam, Sarat Babu said HSL has decided ‘in principle’ to set up a special purpose vehicle (SPV) with the Adani group. “The decision is in principle because it will have to be approved by the ministry of defence (MoD). Adani group and HSL have not reached a stage to decide on the shareholding in the SPV,” he said, while adding that the partnership is aimed at leveraging its balance sheet.
“Adani group will give us the financial muscle to bid for the six submarines. We would be providing the technical expertise,” he said.
Asked whether HSL had the technical expertise to build a highly sophisticated vessel like a submarine, Sarat Babu said the shipyard has a long experience in retrofitting submarines. “We have retrofitted several submarines from scratch, so we have the expertise in what goes into its construction. Some of our competitors have expertise in constructing the hull of the submarine. We will be able to source this expertise as well if we win the contract,” he added.
The six submarines are estimated to cost Rs 50,000 crore. Sarat Babu said besides its technical expertise, HSL has also developed a workforce which can execute the submarine project.
Meanwhile, as it waits for the MoD to release its request for proposal (RfP) for the project, HSL, which was set up in 1941 by Seth Walchand Hirachand, is focused on meeting its other deadlines. “We will be delivering a retrofitted submarine to the Indian Navy on January 31. ahead of schedule. In November, we had delivered two of the last six 10-tonne bollard pull tugs to the Navy two weeks ahead of schedule,” he informed.
HSL plans bid for submarine project | Visakhapatnam News - Times of India
Saying it again. Scrap P75I, order 6 more Scropene from MDL, along with F21 and French AIP. Put the saved money in SSN project.
Agreed.
Will HSL put their own design in for bidding ? They haven't tied up with any foreign OEM have they ? An all Indian effort must be encouraged.
It's a very costly sub. So costly that it's better to purchase SSN direclty, with far greater capacity.
Instead of only 6 more, the target should be 12 more Scorpenes along with the current 6 Scorpenes. The Type 209 and Kilo class subs are not going to be out there for much longer.
Project 75I is valued to be around $8.5 billion. We can easily get 12 more Scorpene subs and still have $2-2.5 billion to spare
Instead of F21 torpedoes, the development of DRDO Takshak needs to be fastracked.
Navy has requirements of 24 Submarines excluding SSBNs. I would rather have 12 SSNs and 12 SSKs. A single ssn will give more attack options and a much longer time spent on station covering tasks for 2 or 3 SSKs.
For the torpedoes and AIP, right now, our Scorpenes need them, we should have the French ones in the interim and later supplement them with desi options if they come online.
We are paying 3 billion USD for a 3 decade old overhauled Akula SSN. So in our idiocy, we might have done even that too.
PS: That 3 billion would possibly get us 6 more Scorpenes from MDL.
We are paying $3 billion because the Akula SSN is going to serve as a test bed for the indigenous systems developed for our own SSN programme. Also, we need reactor tech. Also secretly we might have outright brought the Akula SSN.
Also we will need 2 SSNs for our Carrier Battle Groups.
That 3billion USD figure may not be for the lease amount alone but could also include payment for consultancy of the SSN we're constructing.
F21 is one if not the most advanced torp on the market.
What will be the real level of the Takshak ? I think the clever solution is to purchase so modern, effective but costly west torpedoes and developping in parallel your own torp.
I doubt you can match a best of class torp, specially on range and seeker capacity, with so few experience.
Absolutely !
The P75I deal is probably of the highest priority followed by the minesweeper deal.
P75I will not move any soon. Its idiotic to create a 2nd production line when we do not have the funds to keep the 1st one running itself.
People in Navy are starting to realise this. And decision hopefully will save us funds.
The main burden of Make In India and Strategic Partnership was on Navy. (4 LHDs, 6 SSKs , 111 NLUH and 123 NMRH) And how many of them have actually moved ? The last one hasn't even been approved by DAC as of yet. And when Navy top brass openly says that funds are getting reduced , and private shipyards failing. (Bharti , Reliance, ABG , all three actually have huge capacities , there are atleast 4 other smaller private shipyards which are done). L&T has survived , the only exception I see. SBC outsourcing may also have played a part but they are out there delivering.
But overall, funds are extremely less, the industry is not favourable, the demands and push from PMO is only for big projects , local industries are failing to deliver simple solutions. In all this Navy has more or less equal number of ships retiring compared to no of ships commissioned over last 3-4 years.
Navy is seeing all this.
Even very critical projects like ASW helos and P8I , damm the original requirement was for 12 more, but navy itself trimmed it to 10 for the moment and then DAC trimmed it to 6.
I will not say much. But do not expect any strategic partnership model to work any sooner.
Even for NUH... It's the best option out there for us to give a chance to private sector. But let's see.
Navy doesn't have to funding to go through it nor does the government has political will to go through it. Reliance might not be delivering and down, but MoD , they are afraid of the word scam.
I agree but I was asking have you come across any statements from Navy suggesting the continuation of Kalvari class and/or closing P75I ?
Reliance? What are you referring to?
The dilemma here is multiple.
Nowhere in the world, you will see three parallel shipyards building submarines (That too without export orders). Everywhere it's consolidating and it's specialized. Here now we would like to see a private SSK production line. But is it worth it to avoid DPSUs? That is the question MoD/IN is dabbling with. They made the program under 'Strategic Partnership' which is/was for private entities. Then they gave MDL exception. Now L&T is the only private shipyard that has the expertise and financial backing. It's obvious that the tender cannot be private only. recently, HSL is partnering with Adani. End of the day, irrespective of the design MDL will get the contract IMO.
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At the end of the day, any shipyard which is able to deliver the rests without significant delays must be selected. I think that while modernizing the IAF and IA we are ignoring the Navy inspite of the Navy not being "import maal" lover.
We might as well be the only country who has a blue water navy but the Navy has the lowest priority when it comes to defence allocation.
Let's not forget we have to protect a 7500km long coastline.