range targeted is 120km, probably because the future SM40 will be shorter than MM40 (to fit in a sub vehicule to reach the surface) so less fuel.A news that may be nteresting about french product (for Scorpene ?) :
A successor to the exocet SM39 is on track.
SM40.... probably a MM30 block 3 derivative, with a fuel engine instead of a powder one, so increased range and higher stealth.
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Project 75 India Diesel-electric Submarine Programs (SSK) : Updates and Discussions
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What is the relevance of these missiles to the P75I program? Do either of them use it?A news that may be nteresting about french product (for Scorpene ?) :
A successor to the exocet SM39 is on track.
SM40.... probably a MM40 block 3 derivative, with a fuel engine instead of a powder one, so increased range and higher stealth.
Sous-marins : MBDA travaille à la succession du missile antinavire Exocet SM39 | Mer et Marine
Mis en service il y a bientôt 40 ans, le SM39, version du célèbre missile antinavire Exocet conçue pour être tirée depuis un sous-marin en plongée, ar...
SM39 was delivered to india.
SM40 may follow.
It will have a secondary anti ground mission role.
Navantia begins to embark AIP equipment on the S-83 submarine
On October 31, 2024, Spanish shipbuilder Navantia announced it was starting to fit air-independent propulsion (AIP) system on the third S-80 class submarine, the Cosme Garcia (S-83).
Starting to fit now, meaning 2026 is the earliest we can expect the submarine to be in water so that Navy can test the promised system.
If the price is right, could NG be persuaded to part with the design blueprints for the basic Scorpene model? They are moving on to evolved designs derived from the larger Suffren class (based on their bids for Australia and more recently, Holland)
They probably wouldn't want to impact sales prospects by keeping Scorpene on the market for much longer.
Should an agreement be reached, we'd have ourselves a proven design to serve as the basis of an Project-76/77 indigenous SSK line. We could save a ton of money since we have pretty much everything else we need.
They probably wouldn't want to impact sales prospects by keeping Scorpene on the market for much longer.
Should an agreement be reached, we'd have ourselves a proven design to serve as the basis of an Project-76/77 indigenous SSK line. We could save a ton of money since we have pretty much everything else we need.
I really don't think NG halting the Scorpene sales prospects.
Scorpene is evolving : the 2 for Indonesia are Li ion fitted. AIP status is unknown.
It is a well born medium SSK, so no reason to stop it.
NG SSK range is around Scorpene (1650 to 2000 tons) for medium and Shortfin Barracuda (3000 to 4000 tons more or less).
They gave the rights of assembly and selling Agosta 90B to Pakistan in 1999. Scorpene was in works then.
So once some successor of Scorpene is an advanced stage of construction , we can get similar levels of rights in India.
The trend across navies right now is for ocean-going subs of 3000t+ displacement. Scorpene in its basic version (non-AIP) will probably find no takers. Existing customers like Chile, Malaysia clearly won't buy any more. As a strategic partner, France could certainly sell us the design as a sweetener for the 125kN engine and Rafale deal worth billions of dollars to French industry.
Brazil seems interested in some more.
Argentina may be the next customer.
These 2 country, as some others, don't need bigger subs as they don't have a big economic ocean area to protect.
A sub is as a jet : it is paid by kilograms.
about AIP : Indonesia didn't ask for...
You alreday have the Scorpene draft as you built > 80% of each. If I remember well some complex and safety sensible parts, as hatchs, were made in France for the whole 6. I think if India agree to be responsible for safety to buil all in India. (remember : MMRCA fall because HAL wanted to built all, India top brass wanted a Dassault waranty, and HAL didn't want to see a Dassault quality ingeneer in its factory... => impossible to accept for Dassault).
Assembly is one thing. knowing why this part is made in a certain manner another.
The end user requirements will ofcourse be controlled by France, even if something like that happens.
The only problem being that the offered AIP in submarine is as far away now as it's DRDO-L&T one for Kalvari.
How will the deal be signed without the actual trial? And if they wait till 2027-28 just to sign the actual deal, we will be getting the 1st sub by 2032.
In terms of readiness & criticality yes, but navy also prefers a proven system and an imported AIP will obviously feed into the DRDO made AIP as well since we have no proven integrated model system available in service to base our design onto. So it will be a steady learning curve, both in terms of training people and operational use in the sub.
Imo the IN jumped the gun insisting on a 'proven at-sea' AIP as a qualifier for P-75I participation. Spain needs time to test their AIP (2+ years) at sea and carry out risk reduction. As part of the Kalvari program, NG is already helping NMRL certify its AIP. That same framework could have been extended to any new-gen AIP. Imo NG could have plugged its new LIB tech (that it's offering to Indonesia) into a suitably modified/uprated version of NMRL AIP for P-75I. But it's probably too late for that now.
Imo, TKMS has a clear lead in the contest at the moment.
Imo, TKMS has a clear lead in the contest at the moment.