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The Safran deal come with know how. it's all the difference.
is this really true?
this is friggin serious can anybody shed more light on the matter here?
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LOL. You better believe it. Details of how Rafale Negotiations were conducted in France.
Top Finance Ministry official US Kumawat honey trapped in Paris. French cops handed over tapes to RAW - PGurus
Top Finance Ministry official US Kumawat honey trapped in Paris. French cops handed over tapes to RAW
US Kumawat, an IAS officer with clout, manages to get his lady lover officer a plum post abroad and gets honey trapped
March 11, 2018
US Kumawat, an IAS officer with clout, manages to get his lady lover officer a plum post abroad and gets honey trapped
India’s Finance Ministry’s Joint Secretary (Revenue) Uday Singh Kumawat IAS was honey trapped by French Intelligence during his stay in Paris recently. This officer also holds the sensitive post of Member Secretary to the Special Investigation Team (SIT) on Black Money Commission. Readers of PGurus working in Paris told us that the French Intelligence has given the video to their RAW counterparts stationed in Paris.
Caught between wife and lover, Kumawat managed to get a plum posting for the lady officer in the Belgium embassy.
Why did Kumawat go to Paris?
US Kumawat landed Paris on an official meeting in connection with Financial Action Task Force (FATF), representing the country. The international meeting was from February 18 to 23. Before going to Paris, Kumawat tried to get a visitor’s visa to Belgium. A former lady colleague in the Finance Ministry is posted currently in Belgium. But having been denied the visa, Mr. Kumawat invited the said lady over to visit him in Paris. This lady colleague was a Director level officer in the Finance Ministry and it was known to all in the North Block about Kumawat’s rendezvous with this lady officer from the Indian Revenue Service (IRS).
Many officers say that Kumawat would always put a Red Light on his cabin door, as and when this officer enters his Cabin and this rendezvous will go on for hours. Seven months ago, as alerted by some colleagues with a sense of humor, Kumawat’s wife barged into his cabin and caught both of them and created a ruckus in the Finance Ministry. Kumawat’s wife had complained to senior levels in the Ministry and demanded that the said lady officer from the Ministry be kicked out, according to many officials.
Caught between wife and lover, Kumawat managed to get a plum posting for the lady officer in the Belgium embassy. Kumawat is controlling all the postings and transfers in Finance Ministry, Income Tax, Customs, Enforcement Directorate, Financial Intelligence Unit etc. Putting pressure on his boss and Finance Secretary Hasmukh Adhia, Kumawat managed a plum Belgium posting for the lady officer, ignoring the candidature of around 40 officers who had applied for the post.
Reaching Paris, Kumawat was accommodated in Hotel du Collectionneur in Paris and as he was denied a Visa to Belgium, he invited his lady-lover officer to Paris. The lady officer landed in Paris and the French agencies were eyeing on their rendezvous. Secret cameras fully recorded their tryst. Such is the “level” of one of the senior most officials of the Finance Ministry. He was there to attend the crucial International meet of FATF in Paris. The man who supposed to present India’s case was enjoying sleaze in Paris international meet of Financial Action Task Force (on Money Laundering) (FATF). And after February 23, the hotel management asked Kumawat to vacate, when he sought an extension of two more days. As hotel management was stubborn, Kumawat and the lady officer shifted to another hotel and continued their rendezvous on February 24 and 25. And the quick-footed French cops promptly started monitoring them at the new place.
PGurus has learned that a few days ago, the French Intelligence has given a copy of the Compact Disc (CD) of Kumawat and the lady officer rendezvous to the Research and Analytical Wing (RAW) officers stationed in Paris.
US Kumawat is a very powerful officer, having big links with the Congress, BJP, and National Congress Party (NCP) leaders. He is a 1993 Batch IAS officer from Bihar cadre. He worked with many BJP, Congress and NCP Ministers as an Officer on Special Duty (OSD). In August 2017, the Appointments Committee of Cabinet (ACC) headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi had repatriated Kumawat back to the Bihar cadre. Interestingly, he continues to be in the Union Finance Ministry and many political leaders have recommended for his extension of service in the Central Government up to March 2018 and recently the Finance Secretary Hasmukh Adhia has also recommended his extension up to May 2018! These incidents show the power of Uday Singh Kumawat, IAS. After ACC orders a transfer, how can an officer stay that long? Whose patronage is he enjoying? It is a known fact that many powerful politicians from all parties in Bihar were recommending the continuation of US Kumawat in Finance Ministry (what business is it of theirs, to ask the Center?), despite the ACC headed by Prime Minister transferring him back to Bihar cadre due to his sleaze activities in Finance Ministry.
It is time Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley kick out these types of sleazeball officers, who shame the country. A mere transfer won’t do. If this was the corporate world, Mr. Kumawat would be kicked out. This is what this officer deserves.
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France and Belgium are inside "espace Shengen" so there is free access from France to Belgium and from Belgium to France (no border). If you have a visa for France it is valid for Belgium. So the story is very strange. 
France and Belgium are inside "espace Shengen" so there is free access from France to Belgium and from Belgium to France (no border). If you have a visa for France it is valid for Belgium. So the story is very strange.
I assume there are separate visa's for those with diplomatic passports.
There is also a policy of Visas with limited territorial validity.
Visa policy of the Schengen Area - Wikipedia
Such a thing may exist in exceptional circumstances for countries such as Russia, China or Syria, but not in ordinary circumstances or for India.
As far as i know deal encompasses many committees to cross evaluate whatever special committees are formed to negotiate.
So technically its not the whole IAS administration in fault. This case what Swamy is referring, we need to see if its present case of US Kumawat or someone else.
Lastly, almost main discussion and negotiations have happened in Delhi and Paris both. So it will be difficult for one to point saying everything is fishy.
Of course, IAS and IRS official conduct is a separate issue. GOI will deal appropriately
Edit: better give out specifics of whole deal.. its time folks know the strategic depth of India France relations
So technically its not the whole IAS administration in fault. This case what Swamy is referring, we need to see if its present case of US Kumawat or someone else.
Lastly, almost main discussion and negotiations have happened in Delhi and Paris both. So it will be difficult for one to point saying everything is fishy.
Of course, IAS and IRS official conduct is a separate issue. GOI will deal appropriately
Edit: better give out specifics of whole deal.. its time folks know the strategic depth of India France relations
Either way the news comes from highly reliable sources and people who have no horse in the race.
In any case Bureaucrats have to provide details of their itinerary when they travel outside India and any sudden departure to a separate country other than their destination will raise suspicion and will draw the attention of RAW. Especially for people in high and sensitive positions. They will be asked to provide an explanation in writing and such things will be investigated.
Folks as in general public folks or Forum folks ?
I mean forum folks already know most it right ?
Or do we still have cards to see ?
Subramanian Swamy is full of shit and has hated the Rafale for years.
BJP leader Subramanian Swamy threatens to move court against Rafale deal
He never did go to court, though, despite having threatened. He has a lot of bullshit to peddle, but he doesn't have balls.
This is neither the first nor the last time this clown will say stupid things to get people to talk about him.
Rafale was a GTG, so two govts are involved in the negotiations and there's no room for financial corruption there.
Dr. Swamy has no reason to "hate" rafale, nor does he have any reason to "love" rafale.
He has demonstrated his "balls" enough times to send shivers down the spines of wrong doers.
Makes you wonder why nobody has filed defamation charges against him, including this IAS chap.
This is not corruption, this is blackmail or also know as "arm twisting" to get what you want. Also known as GTG Negotiations in the real world.
Either way the said officer was transferred and has still managed to stay on his post. Speaks a lot about his power.
Rafale deal clean, people misinterpreted numbers to say India paid too much: Dassault CEO
The Rafale jet contract is a “very clean deal” conforming to “Indian and French laws” and those raising questions about it have misinterpreted numbers to conclude that India paid too much for the warplanes, Eric Trappier, the CEO of Dassault Aviation SA, which builds the Rafale, said in an interview on Saturday.
“As far as I am concerned… as a witness and as someone in charge of the performance of the contract…I may tell you very clearly, it is a very clean deal. How can I not do a clean deal with all the laws in France and India?” said Trappier, who is accompanying French President Emmanuel Macron on his India visit.
His comments came a day after the Congress alleged that the Narendra Modi government caused a loss of Rs 12,632 crore to the exchequerby inking the September 2016 deal for 36 Rafale planes. Quoting figures from Dassault’s annual report for 2017, the opposition party alleged that India had paid Rs 351 crore more for each jet than other Rafale customers such as Egypt and Qatar.
The figures in the report were given by me one-and-a-half years ago. The numbers include not only the Rafale deal but also covers Mirage-2000 support. I know that because the figures are coming from me,” said Trappier.
He said before the deals were inked, the French government checked that per unit price of the Rafale was the same for all three customers: India, Egypt and Qatar. He said the final cost package would vary depending on the “scope of each deal”.
“Price varies depending on the package, support, weapons, country-specific requirements, number of bases…There are a huge number of parameters in the contract. There can be no comparison. It’s like apples and oranges. The scope of each deal is different,” he said. For instance, post-sales support, he said, was a part of the deal with India but not for deals with some other countries.
In the absence of such details, he seemed to suggest, it made no sense to criticise the deal.
Rafale deal clean, people misinterpreted numbers to say India paid too much: Dassault CEO | india news | Hindustan Times
The Rafale jet contract is a “very clean deal” conforming to “Indian and French laws” and those raising questions about it have misinterpreted numbers to conclude that India paid too much for the warplanes, Eric Trappier, the CEO of Dassault Aviation SA, which builds the Rafale, said in an interview on Saturday.
“As far as I am concerned… as a witness and as someone in charge of the performance of the contract…I may tell you very clearly, it is a very clean deal. How can I not do a clean deal with all the laws in France and India?” said Trappier, who is accompanying French President Emmanuel Macron on his India visit.
His comments came a day after the Congress alleged that the Narendra Modi government caused a loss of Rs 12,632 crore to the exchequerby inking the September 2016 deal for 36 Rafale planes. Quoting figures from Dassault’s annual report for 2017, the opposition party alleged that India had paid Rs 351 crore more for each jet than other Rafale customers such as Egypt and Qatar.
The figures in the report were given by me one-and-a-half years ago. The numbers include not only the Rafale deal but also covers Mirage-2000 support. I know that because the figures are coming from me,” said Trappier.
He said before the deals were inked, the French government checked that per unit price of the Rafale was the same for all three customers: India, Egypt and Qatar. He said the final cost package would vary depending on the “scope of each deal”.
“Price varies depending on the package, support, weapons, country-specific requirements, number of bases…There are a huge number of parameters in the contract. There can be no comparison. It’s like apples and oranges. The scope of each deal is different,” he said. For instance, post-sales support, he said, was a part of the deal with India but not for deals with some other countries.
In the absence of such details, he seemed to suggest, it made no sense to criticise the deal.
Rafale deal clean, people misinterpreted numbers to say India paid too much: Dassault CEO | india news | Hindustan Times
He does not hate the Rafale. He doesn't know anything about the military in fact to hate something so specific.
It's an age old trick. Politicians will make a lot of noise about something when they believe they smell something fishy and hope that some "insider" will step forward and present them proof of a "scam" secretly. If it is indeed a scam, they come out as heroes for exposing it.
He's a clown and a liar. Every single of his claims against the Rafale in 2015 were demonstrably false then, and his claims now are equally devoid of truth.
The whole story with the visa is another example of that: pure storytelling that doesn't even try to be remotely credible. The novelists who wrote it haven't even bothered to look up the most basic facts about travel between Paris and Brussels.
The whole story with the visa is another example of that: pure storytelling that doesn't even try to be remotely credible. The novelists who wrote it haven't even bothered to look up the most basic facts about travel between Paris and Brussels.
Could be true. But considering Swamy's history with Rafale, I'll take it with a handful of salt.