Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

Lolwa said:
Don't know about the others but I don't consider the f-35 as inferior to the Rafale. It's definitely a far more advanced plane and I take f-35 pilots opinion seriously. If you watched the video nowhere did he say the Rafale was superior only that it's the closest when it comes to doing a job similar to the f-35. And from what I've read it does seem to be the case. The Gripen and typhoon seem to be much more traditionally designed planes closer to american 4.5 gens in performance.
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You haven't yet grasped his conceit have you . This isn't exclusively about the Lightnings . This is about the entire range of fighter aircrafts the US is fielding . According to him the rankings of international fighter aircrafts is as follows : 1.) Lightnings 2.) Raptors 3.) & 4.) Eagle & Hornets including all their iterations & variants depending on whom are they being compared to & when followed by 5.) Fighting Falcons / Vipers.

Then come the J-20 , J-10 & J-16 at probably 25 , 30 & 35 & if there's a spot left at the top 50 , then the Rafale would feature at 50 & that's a big IF. The other contemporary fighters just don't figure in his esteemed trailer park fighter ranking list . That's the only reason this video & scores of such videos about the Lightnings mythical abilities it's shortcomings , the entire project development cycle , the program itself & comparisons to other contemporary aircrafts gets his goat .


Isn't this the gospel truth sweetie ? Tell him will you ? @Innominate
 
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Hydra said:
You are equating eagle with mig29? U in booze right now i guess.
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No look up the d-29. I know it sounds crazy but the epawws although more powerful follows similar concepts of the d-29 EW on the UPG. Our mig 29's are pretty scary if only they had Uttam integrated it would be even more potent as an aircraft.
 
Lolwa said:
No look up the d-29. I know it sounds crazy but the epawws although more powerful follows similar concepts of the d-29 EW on the UPG. Our mig 29's are pretty scary if only they had Uttam integrated it would be even more potent as an aircraft.
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The AESA radar itself sufficient to create alight year gap between EX & Mig 29.
 
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Lolwa said:
The super Sukhoi upgrade is the only real way to solve the difference between the plaaf. Our radars are smaller and lighter and have similar performance to chinese radars too. But only 85 fighters might get the upgrade. They will be as good as f-15EX after the upgrade and after Uttam we might be able to integrate the meteor too.View attachment 24225View attachment 24226
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No Meteor allowed to be integrated on a non western (and close ally radar.
You only will see a Meteor on US, european, Japan and S Korean birds.
 
Lolwa said:
No look up the d-29. I know it sounds crazy but the epawws although more powerful follows similar concepts of the d-29 EW on the UPG. Our mig 29's are pretty scary if only they had Uttam integrated it would be even more potent as an aircraft.
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I doubt the D-29 is as good as EPAWSS, it's already over a decade old in comparison. But it's in a similar class, with older hardware. Of course, the EPAWSS should have much better computing and software. There's no guarantee the D-29 will be upgraded to the same level.

But the good news is we are catching up with a lot of Western technologies. We will first see this on LCA Mk2 and MKI MLU.
 
randomradio said:
I doubt the D-29 is as good as EPAWSS, it's already over a decade old in comparison. But it's in a similar class, with older hardware. Of course, the EPAWSS should have much better computing and software. There's no guarantee the D-29 will be upgraded to the same level.

But the good news is we are catching up with a lot of Western technologies. We will first see this on LCA Mk2 and MKI MLU.
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Obviously the f-15EX is far superior and EPAWSS is far more advanced and powerful but the d-29 works on a similar principle which is amazing for a country like us.
 
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Bon Plan said:
No Meteor allowed to be integrated on a non western (and close ally radar.
You only will see a Meteor on US, european, Japan and S Korean birds.
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Mbda was open to integration of meteor on uttam. So we should hopefully see meteor on the mki sometime in the future. We already have the indigenous mission computer. So I don't there will be any issues regarding integration from our side.
 
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Lolwa said:
Mbda was open to integration of meteor on uttam. So we should hopefully see meteor on the mki sometime in the future. We already have the indigenous mission computer. So I don't there will be any issues regarding integration from our side.
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If it's the case it's a good thing, for India and for Europe.
The blocage was the integration of Meteor on an israeli radar, because of the great risk of inormation leaks.
India is a respectfull partner. It's different.
 
Lolwa said:
Obviously the f-15EX is far superior and EPAWSS is far more advanced and powerful but the d-29 works on a similar principle which is amazing for a country like us.
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Hardware-wise, everybody is more or less similar to each other. It's the software that creates the difference.
Lolwa said:
Mbda was open to integration of meteor on uttam. So we should hopefully see meteor on the mki sometime in the future. We already have the indigenous mission computer. So I don't there will be any issues regarding integration from our side.
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They have conditions that are unrealistic.
 
randomradio said:
Hardware-wise, everybody is more or less similar to each other.
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That isn't true.
randomradio said:
MBDA wants full access to the Uttam radar, including all its software. They even want prototypes of the radar transferred over to Europe.

So I-Derby ER won.
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It is the same whatever missile you get. They have to access and load the software and need to test the radar. To make sure everything is working as it should.
 
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randomradio said:
MBDA wants full access to the Uttam radar, including all its software. They even want prototypes of the radar transferred over to Europe.

So I-Derby ER won.
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Most probably to ensure Meteor will work seamlessly. If there is no proper integration, then missile may not even get the kill, there by reducing its market prospect.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
You haven't yet grasped his conceit have you . This isn't exclusively about the Lightnings . This is about the entire range of fighter aircrafts the US is fielding . According to him the rankings of international fighter aircrafts is as follows : 1.) Lightnings 2.) Raptors 3.) & 4.) Eagle & Hornets including all their iterations & variants depending on whom are they being compared to & when followed by 5.) Fighting Falcons / Vipers.

Then come the J-20 , J-10 & J-16 at probably 25 , 30 & 35 & if there's a spot left at the top 50 , then the Rafale would feature at 50 & that's a big IF. The other contemporary fighters just don't figure in his esteemed trailer park fighter ranking list . That's the only reason this video & scores of such videos about the Lightnings mythical abilities it's shortcomings , the entire project development cycle , the program itself & comparisons to other contemporary aircrafts gets his goat .


Isn't this the gospel truth sweetie ? Tell him will you ? @Innominate
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USA über alles.
 
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Optimist said:
That isn't true.
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Military electronics is basically 20-year-old civilian stuff. And military aren't as constrained by commercial considerations as civilians are.

Optimist said:
It is the same whatever missile you get. They have to access and load the software and need to test the radar. To make sure everything is working as it should.
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The radar OEM does the integration and testing, not the missile OEM. You really think it's the Israelis who integrated the Derby on the MKI? Where did they get the source codes for that? Or do you think the Israelis handed over the source codes of the Derby to the Indians?
 
Hydra said:
Most probably to ensure Meteor will work seamlessly. If there is no proper integration, then missile may not even get the kill, there by reducing its market prospect.
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The radar OEM takes the lead, not the missile OEM. Missile codes, data and schematics are supposed to be provided to the radar OEM. How will MBDA integrate a missile without knowing anything about the radar? MBDA attempted to steal our tech. We simply didn't fall for it.

Anyway, DRDO is pushing for Astra Mk3. They don't want the IAF to choose the Meteor for any other aircraft apart from Rafale.
 
randomradio said:
The radar OEM takes the lead, not the missile OEM. Missile codes, data and schematics are supposed to be provided to the radar OEM. How will MBDA integrate a missile without knowing anything about the radar? MBDA attempted to steal our tech. We simply didn't fall for it.
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MBDA doesn't make radars (besides the seekers for their missiles, obviously). But they worried about India stealing their missile technology. That's what's funny about cooperation when neither side trusts the other.
 
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