He's basically saying Rafale will get advanced ASuW capabilities, not SEAD/DEAD. Wrong terminology.
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He's basically saying Rafale will get advanced ASuW capabilities, not SEAD/DEAD. Wrong terminology.
There are plans in France to derive a very long-range anti-radar weapon from the supersonic anti-ship missile made in cooperation with the UK, mainly for export because France believes it can do this without a specialised weapon.
A massed ARM-capability based on a possible $10-15M per missile? Looks like some export customers are very rich.
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November 17, 2022 Garrett Jennings Based on the lessons learned from the conflict in Ukraine, from 2030 the French Air Force plans to equip its Rafale fighters with a special SEAD/DEAD system. (French Aerospace Forces) France is to equip its Dassault Rafale combat aircraft for Suppression of...
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So yeah, it looks like a dedicated ARM. No arguments there. The Rafale needs ARMs.
I suppose France has discovered the Russians have too many SAMs for just 200 Rafales. Makes sense. 120 batteries of S-400 would have at least 300+ radars. Then there are all those massive amounts of Pantsir, Tor and Buk TELARs. Bring in the S-300, 350 and 500, we get 2000-3000 radars. Not counting thousands of other types of radars. IADS for the win.
You can't plan complex missions every single time. If you want to destroy 30 long range SAM regiments, then you have to plan 30 complex missions with 100% success rate, which is impossible, not counting the multitude of support missions leading up to the final kill mission. 200 Rafales are far too less, so it makes sense to keep SAMs occupied with ARMs in certain situations, like recce missions, CAS, interdiction etc, where you don't have to go close to the SAM site yourself and you'd like to control what the SAM is shooting at to protect yourself. It also allows intelligence collection, including figuring out the quality of the SAM crew.
Rafale may not need an ARM to kill, but there will be other uses for it.
The nuclear mission is the most complex and requires as much 'clean up' in front of the weapon carrier as possible to increase its chances of success. In addition, there are necessarily simultaneous strikes to benefit from the surprise effect, so there is a gigantic strike plan. Well, we think we can do that without ARMs. Maybe the Rafale is really stealthy when it uses SPECTRA!A massed ARM-capability based on a possible $10-15M per missile? Looks like some export customers are very rich.
“SEAD will be a basic requirement and we plan to put it on the Rafale in 2030 with either velocity- or saturation-dependent weapons,” Col Suberbiel said.France to equip Rafale for SEAD/DEAD mission - Industry-update.com
November 17, 2022 Garrett Jennings Based on the lessons learned from the conflict in Ukraine, from 2030 the French Air Force plans to equip its Rafale fighters with a special SEAD/DEAD system. (French Aerospace Forces) France is to equip its Dassault Rafale combat aircraft for Suppression of...industry-update.com
So yeah, it looks like a dedicated ARM. No arguments there. The Rafale needs ARMs.
I suppose France has discovered the Russians have too many SAMs for just 200 Rafales. Makes sense. 120 batteries of S-400 would have at least 300+ radars. Then there are all those massive amounts of Pantsir, Tor and Buk TELARs. Bring in the S-300, 350 and 500, we get 2000-3000 radars. Not counting thousands of other types of radars. IADS for the win.
You can't plan complex missions every single time. If you want to destroy 30 long range SAM regiments, then you have to plan 30 complex missions with 100% success rate, which is impossible, not counting the multitude of support missions leading up to the final kill mission. 200 Rafales are far too less, so it makes sense to keep SAMs occupied with ARMs in certain situations, like recce missions, CAS, interdiction etc, where you don't have to go close to the SAM site yourself and you'd like to control what the SAM is shooting at to protect yourself. It also allows intelligence collection, including figuring out the quality of the SAM crew.
Rafale may not need an ARM to kill, but there will be other uses for it.
We're are about to integrate Astra series missiles in our Rafales, there is nothing which stops DRDO to integrate NGARM aka Rudram 1 to Rafale and so...
Indian Rafale-Is would have a perfect SEAD/DEAD weapon which we can export to AdlA if they want
Indian Rafale-Is would have a perfect SEAD/DEAD weapon which we can export to AdlA if they want
Haven't you heard the frogs? The mighty Rafale has no need for ARM. It has pixie dust.We're are about to integrate Astra series missiles in our Rafales, there is nothing which stops DRDO to integrate NGARM aka Rudram 1 to Rafale and so...
Indian Rafale-Is would have a perfect SEAD/DEAD weapon which we can export to AdlA if they want
India is being silly. By buying a plane for $100m and then spending $60m each, to bring it to standard. Now adding new weapons.
Part of a greek pilot statement, also a rafale owner.
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This time the french aircrafts also used the trainning function of Spectra, in mild jamming mode, which were immediately detected from the greek aircrafts ECCM, which reply automatically with no pilot input.
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My point was 200 Rafales will not be enough to do all that even if it's invisible. 200 Rafales can at best generate only 500-1000 sorties a day. To defeat Russian IADS, France may need 10000 sorties, so that's easily about 15 days of just SEAD/DEAD without losses. With losses, it could actually take you weeks or months to actually finish. And all this considering the situation on the ground is still favourable for France.
Of course, the alternative is to have 500 Rafales.
The IAF considers both the Rafale and S-400 as gamechangers. So it's possible NATO and France have underestimated Russian IADS to the point where some new capabilities are necessary to plug operational gaps.
An anti-air ARM is also possible, for use against AWACS.
Now pray tell me my Aussie mate better option than Rafale for us? F-35? Not for sale because of S-400! Now again you'd say that India is being silly buying Russian junk then my reply is, "thank you but no thank you."Haven't you heard the frogs? The mighty Rafale has no need for ARM. It has pixie dust.
India is being silly. By buying a plane for $100m and then spending $60m each, to bring it to standard. Now adding new weapons.
We don't want to become Yankee vassal 101 like ahem a big island...ahem.
Read the last para. Rafale won that exercise. It was also Rafale F-2. Ours is way advance than that.
Once again you've missed the point.Haven't you heard the frogs? The mighty Rafale has no need for ARM. It has pixie dust.
India is being silly. By buying a plane for $100m and then spending $60m each, to bring it to standard. Now adding new weapons.
Where's the need to have an onboard detection of Radar when you can rely on satellites like CERES for example ?
Where's the need to have CAS capacity when you can rely on very accurate artillery like CAESAR for example ?
Aren't the ukrainian unable to targets radars currently because they have no F-35 or Rafale ? Off course Yes
Aren't the ukrainian unable to support their troups at very short distances without F-35 or Rafale ? Off course Yes
Does this mean that Rafale has no CAS or ARM capacity ? Of course not thanks to sensor fusion ... But Rafale is not the only effector able to obtain such capacity. Even a simple M-2000 or CAESAR could obtain ARM or CAS effects through global sensor fusion if needed.
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Sorry, I was talking as a frog..the mighty rafale is soo good, it doesn't need sead/dead ARM weapons. They infer that the indians are silly. To spend the $60m each on indian specs or put arm's on them.
The basic rafale is a world beater.
This is official SPECTRA make active cancellation :
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Digital jammer Other improvements introduced as part of Standard F4.2 will cover the Front Sector Optronics, the radar, the Talios targeting pod and, even more importantly, the Spectra self-defence/electronic warfare suite. Keeping ahead of the threat at a time when hostile air-defence systems are making rapid progress is a key priority for French decision makers, hence the effort made to improve further again the Spectra suite. And the changes are significant. “Currently, Spectra has a radar warning receiver to detect the threats and a jammer to neutralise them,” said General Reboul. “With the entry into service on the Standard F4.2 of the autonomous digital jammer, the whole logic of the suite will change as the jammer itself will also become capable of detecting hostile emitters in addition to the aforementioned radar warning receiver. “This is a huge step forward as Spectra will become more reactive and more efficient. It will also be able to neutralise a larger number of threats simultaneously.”
The INCAS (Introduction de Nouvelles Capacités Spectra, introduction of new capabilities for Spectra) research programme had allowed new technologies to be tested for this new autonomous digital jammer. Although not part of F4, but still in the electronic warfare domain, the development of the Leurres Électroniques Actifs (LEA, active electronic decoys) is progressing well. Guilhem Reboul insisted “that the concept was truly promising. These LEAs will be ejected from modified Spirale chaff dispensers. They are a sort of small jammers conceived to seduce missiles away from the Rafale. They generate a signature that will prove more attractive to the missiles’ seekers than the aircraft itself.”
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Digital jammer Other improvements introduced as part of Standard F4.2 will cover the Front Sector Optronics, the radar, the Talios targeting pod and, even more importantly, the Spectra self-defence/electronic warfare suite. Keeping ahead of the threat at a time when hostile air-defence systems are making rapid progress is a key priority for French decision makers, hence the effort made to improve further again the Spectra suite. And the changes are significant. “Currently, Spectra has a radar warning receiver to detect the threats and a jammer to neutralise them,” said General Reboul. “With the entry into service on the Standard F4.2 of the autonomous digital jammer, the whole logic of the suite will change as the jammer itself will also become capable of detecting hostile emitters in addition to the aforementioned radar warning receiver. “This is a huge step forward as Spectra will become more reactive and more efficient. It will also be able to neutralise a larger number of threats simultaneously.”
The INCAS (Introduction de Nouvelles Capacités Spectra, introduction of new capabilities for Spectra) research programme had allowed new technologies to be tested for this new autonomous digital jammer. Although not part of F4, but still in the electronic warfare domain, the development of the Leurres Électroniques Actifs (LEA, active electronic decoys) is progressing well. Guilhem Reboul insisted “that the concept was truly promising. These LEAs will be ejected from modified Spirale chaff dispensers. They are a sort of small jammers conceived to seduce missiles away from the Rafale. They generate a signature that will prove more attractive to the missiles’ seekers than the aircraft itself.”
Low and fast is good but what about MANPADS? Rafale needs integrated DIRCM like Su-57 to defeat future IR missiles.
Rafale is not low and fast, it is very low and very fast compare to other planes, then it surprises combatants equipped with a manpad.
Looking at what happened with Su-34s in Ukraine maybe US's strategy of stealth(passive) may prove more effective than French philosophy of flying very low and fast!
Which is better for SEAD/DEAD/deep strike in highly contested airspace: F-35 or Rafale? Your opinion?
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The agile combat employment concept, or ACE, was tested by the FASF [French Air and Space Force], dispersing our assets on three widely-spread air bases: RAAF [Royal Australian Air Force] Darwin for the Rafales, RAAF Tindal for the Casa CN235 and RAAF Amberley, near Brisbane, for the Phénix.” The ACE concept of distributed and expeditionary operations has become a priority for the FASF at a time when high intensity warfare combat scenarios are back. The aim is to disperse precious assets to reduce their vulnerability to hypersonic missiles, cruise missiles, attack drones and commandos. In an increasingly unstable world, it is of paramount importance to spread fast jets over multiple facilities and this is where the Rafale proves advantageous: with its low logistics footprint, remarkable ease of maintenance and repair and its excellent overall availability during combat operations, the fighter is ideally suited for agile combat employment.
The agile combat employment concept, or ACE, was tested by the FASF [French Air and Space Force], dispersing our assets on three widely-spread air bases: RAAF [Royal Australian Air Force] Darwin for the Rafales, RAAF Tindal for the Casa CN235 and RAAF Amberley, near Brisbane, for the Phénix.” The ACE concept of distributed and expeditionary operations has become a priority for the FASF at a time when high intensity warfare combat scenarios are back. The aim is to disperse precious assets to reduce their vulnerability to hypersonic missiles, cruise missiles, attack drones and commandos. In an increasingly unstable world, it is of paramount importance to spread fast jets over multiple facilities and this is where the Rafale proves advantageous: with its low logistics footprint, remarkable ease of maintenance and repair and its excellent overall availability during combat operations, the fighter is ideally suited for agile combat employment.
Firstly SU-34 is not a very fast at very low level plane considering the video.
Secondly considering the official statement made by General REBOUL CEAM director SPECTRA is an active cancellation system. Then against any radar guided SAM rafale is very well suited even more when it is helped by satellite like CERES.
Thirdly Rafale must be able to deliver nuclear strike and then all the credibility of our deterence rely on the rafale capability to stay stealth.
Just for fun :
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General Guilhem Reboul was in charge of the Rafale programme within the Direction Générale de l’Armement (DGA), the French defence procurement agency, before being recently promoted and posted away to even higher responsibilities
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General Guilhem Reboul was in charge of the Rafale programme within the Direction Générale de l’Armement (DGA), the French defence procurement agency, before being recently promoted and posted away to even higher responsibilities
Looks like no GaN though. And definitely no GaN for the radar, along with conformal arrays, until F5.