Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

[DrSomnath999]

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[lcafanboy]

Too much civilian control in the name of democracy on military isn't good either.
Every Indian military project has civilian control and military can't do anything.
At least that doesn't happen in Pakistan.

Yep...
Pakistan is in much better position, where a military owns a nation and citizens are at ransom of military. Pakistani schools are producing some of the best jihadi terrorists, best engineers producing suicide bomber vests and mountains and mountains of DEBTS....☺

Well good for your nation. Keep it to yourself, we are better off with what we have. A disciplined army and good civil government, society. Maybe not perfect but good enough. Anytime better than snob PAKJABI Army....

 

[RISING SUN]

 

[Ashwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297118194209968128

 

[Bon Plan]

 

[RISING SUN]

Second lot of Rafale jets coming in October.

 

[A Person]

No sound?

There is sound in that video. Check your device and try again?

 

[Sathya]

Second lot of Rafale jets coming in October.

Another 5 for second base?

 

[randomradio]

AFAIK, 2nd in October. 3rd in December. Last lot in February for the first squadron.

Then, next year June, Sept, Dec and Feb.

 

[RISING SUN]

There is sound in that video. Check your device and try again?

I got suspicious and checked my device, it's working perfectly, both on YouTube & other media, hence my bewilderment!?!

For a fact I also surmised that nobody will post such video with no audio. What could be happening here?

Another 5 for second base?

Final number of ready jets might be confirmed in the last moment I guess. To the best of my information, number of ready jets is still not finalized.

 

[Hydra]

Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France

Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France

• Our Bureau
• 06:04 PM, August 31, 2020
• 17749

French Rafale Jets on Exercise in Greece
France and Greece have reached an agreement for the latter to acquire 18 Rafale fighter jets of which 10 will be sold and the remaining 8 will given away as ‘donation.’
“Contacts between the two sides are at a very advanced level, with those who know the background expressing the assessment that within 2020 the agreement will have been officially announced," Greek publication, Pentapostagma reported quoting source aware of the deal.
The jets would be fully armed versions ready for immediate deployment as Greece faces up to an incresingly belligerent Turkey over territorial dispute in the Eastern Mediterranean. Recently Greek and Turkish F-16 jets were briefly engaged in a 'dogfight,' reports said.
Based on what has been leaked so far, the agreement seems to be moving at two levels. The first provides for the donation of eight fighter jets from the French Air Force to the Greek AF and the second the purchase of ten brand new Rafale from France.
The eight planes that will be given as a “gift” are used jets from French Air Force inventory. These are the ones that attacked the Al Watiya air base in Libya a couple of months ago causing damage to Turkish air defence systems, the publication reported.
The 10 brand new fighters that are to be purchased will come from the stock being built for the Egyptian Air Force. The two governments are expecting to reach an agreement with Egypt to divert 10 of 20 jets meant for Egypt to Greece. The remaining 10 for Egypt would be delivered later.
Egypt had ordered 24 Rafale jets in 2014 of which 4 have been delivered and 10 are in process.
The Greek air force primarily consists of old F-16 jets which will modernized by the United States to the F-16V standard making them more lethal than the F-16s with Turkey. However, the deal was signed only in 2019 with Lockheed Martin and it will not be until 2022 when the first modernized F-16 rolls out.
In the meantime, Greece’s relations with Turkey have worsened with the latter using its greater military muscle to force Greece to back off from enforcing its territorial claim in the Eastern Mediterranean.
France has unequivocally sided with Greece even flying two Rafale fighter jets for exercises with the Greek Air Force in recent weeks.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

These are the ones that attacked the Al Watiya air base in Libya a couple of months ago causing damage to Turkish air defence systems, the publication reported.

 

[Hydra]

Will this move delay delay the delivery of rafale jets to india? I mean if we give fresh orders.

 

[randomradio]

Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France
Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France

1. AIR
2. Fighter Aircraft
3. Greece

Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France

• Our Bureau
• 06:04 PM, August 31, 2020
• 17749

French Rafale Jets on Exercise in Greece
France and Greece have reached an agreement for the latter to acquire 18 Rafale fighter jets of which 10 will be sold and the remaining 8 will given away as ‘donation.’
“Contacts between the two sides are at a very advanced level, with those who know the background expressing the assessment that within 2020 the agreement will have been officially announced," Greek publication, Pentapostagma reported quoting source aware of the deal.
The jets would be fully armed versions ready for immediate deployment as Greece faces up to an incresingly belligerent Turkey over territorial dispute in the Eastern Mediterranean. Recently Greek and Turkish F-16 jets were briefly engaged in a 'dogfight,' reports said.
Based on what has been leaked so far, the agreement seems to be moving at two levels. The first provides for the donation of eight fighter jets from the French Air Force to the Greek AF and the second the purchase of ten brand new Rafale from France.
The eight planes that will be given as a “gift” are used jets from French Air Force inventory. These are the ones that attacked the Al Watiya air base in Libya a couple of months ago causing damage to Turkish air defence systems, the publication reported.
The 10 brand new fighters that are to be purchased will come from the stock being built for the Egyptian Air Force. The two governments are expecting to reach an agreement with Egypt to divert 10 of 20 jets meant for Egypt to Greece. The remaining 10 for Egypt would be delivered later.
Egypt had ordered 24 Rafale jets in 2014 of which 4 have been delivered and 10 are in process.
The Greek air force primarily consists of old F-16 jets which will modernized by the United States to the F-16V standard making them more lethal than the F-16s with Turkey. However, the deal was signed only in 2019 with Lockheed Martin and it will not be until 2022 when the first modernized F-16 rolls out.
In the meantime, Greece’s relations with Turkey have worsened with the latter using its greater military muscle to force Greece to back off from enforcing its territorial claim in the Eastern Mediterranean.
France has unequivocally sided with Greece even flying two Rafale fighter jets for exercises with the Greek Air Force in recent weeks.

So they are in the same boat as India is in. Even we are in need of advanced jets.

 

[Hydra]

So they are in the same boat as India is in. Even we are in need of advanced jets.

They had mirages too

 

[Lolwa]

Taiwan might sell its mirage to create space for their f16 blk 70. Should we buy it considering they are pretty modern but don't have a2g configuration and are full interceptors. We could get around 60 of them that's another 4 squadrons. That could free up our mig 21 and the western sector could be handled much more easily...

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Will this move delay delay the delivery of rafale jets to india? I mean if we give fresh orders.

No the delay is 3 years after the contrat is signed for the first aircraft. If India asks for new Rafale we will increase the rate of production. If we decide now to increase the rate of production, it will be effective in 3 years (4 years if the production is done in India).

 

[Hydra]

Taiwan might sell its mirage to create space for their f16 blk 70. Should we buy it considering they are pretty modern but don't have a2g configuration and are full interceptors. We could get around 60 of them that's another 4 squadrons. That could free up our mig 21 and the western sector could be handled much more easily...

Just getrid of the habit of asking for second hand products from elsewhere. It may save you fee ₹ initially,but how long those mirages will be relevant?may be 5 years or ten years.after that again back we fall back to the same circles

 

[Lolwa]

Just getrid of the habit of asking for second hand products from elsewhere. It may save you fee ₹ initially,but how long those mirages will be relevant?may be 5 years or ten years.after that again back we fall back to the same circles

They have around 20 years of body life considering IAF will use till they are falling apart. It's better than using mig 21 and will give us enough breathing space till the mk2 MWF comes online. If the deal is under a billion dollars and we can get atleast two squadrons worth of fighter like 40-50 fighters it will solve lot of our problems. We already have mro facilities of the mirage and IAF likes the mirage more than both the Sukhoi and mig 29. The mk1a will take around 2024-25 to be completed till then we will have the 100 fleet mirage running. The mirage fleet will go till 2030-35. Till then mk2 will also be inducted.

 

[randomradio]

Taiwan might sell its mirage to create space for their f16 blk 70. Should we buy it considering they are pretty modern but don't have a2g configuration and are full interceptors. We could get around 60 of them that's another 4 squadrons. That could free up our mig 21 and the western sector could be handled much more easily...

Any Mirage 2000s we buy from all available sources require upgrades, so the Taiwanese jets also require upgrades. Their jets can perform strike.

And yes, I am in favour of buying their jets. It's a good way to bolster our forces, keeps the HAL's upgrade facility functioning for many more years, and gives us an opportunity to annoy China. The price has to be reasonable though. And the question is whether we can afford to buy the entire fleet directly and then pay to upgrade them. I'd rather have more Rafales instead, even if the numbers are slightly lower, and will take the same amount of time to deliver. 36 more Rafales are better than 55 M2000s, perhaps cheaper as well, for us. I'd say quicker too, since Taiwan is going to keep their M2000s for a few more years.

But a better option for Taiwan's sake is to upgrade their M2000s and keep them around for their own use. Even the upgraded F-16s aren't as good in the strike role, a role that's very important to Taiwan. Also, they are worried about spares supply, but India should be able to deliver those through HAL and DRAL. Plus, I'd rather not see Taiwan buying Rafales after getting rid of the M2000s, there's a pretty big risk of Chinese spies, the reason why the US has hesitated to sell them the F-35.