S-400 'Triumf' News & Discussion

US Navy Indo-Pacific Command chief calls India buying S-400 Triumf from Russia a problem

Now a top US Navy commander has made it clear that India acquiring the S-400 missile system from Russia is a "bit of a problem".

Written By: Zee Media Bureau
Edited By: Tanweer Azam
Updated: Jul 22, 2019, 13:09 PM IST
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S-400 missile system. (Photo courtesy: Rosoboronexport)

India will get a massive boost in its defensive capabilities after the Russian S-400 Triumf anti-air missiles are deployed with the armed forces. But the United States of America has been expressing its unease and displeasure with India for buying the S-400 Triumf missile system.

Now a top US Navy commander has made it clear that India acquiring the S-400 missile system from Russia is a "bit of a problem". "We're still in dialogue with them about that S-400. India is acquiring the S-400. It's a Russian air defence system. That's a bit of a problem. Will you continue to dialogue ? I, I think they intend to do that. I'm trying to clarify for them that the tactical and technical case that's so important here," said US Indo-Pacific Command chief Admiral Philip Scot Davidson at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado.

The US Navy Admiral also claimed that American defence and weapons were better than those from Russia. "US equipment is outperforming on the globe and you see this periodically come up against Russia, and US equipment is outperforming India's quite proud of their non-aligned policy status. They view this discussion about the S-400 as a policy issue and not a tactical and technical one. So we have got a little bit of ways to go there," he added.

Admiral Davidson, however, added that India has started to buy a lot of US defence equipment in the last few years including the C-17 Globemaster military transport aircraft, P-8I (Poseidon Eight India) long-range maritime patrol and anti-submarine planes, C-130J Super Hercules and AH-64E Apache attack helicopters. " You know, men, my peers in India, they grew up under Soviet training and then Russian sustainment for years and years and years. They certainly see the value of the engagements with us and are interested in moving forward with us. Our rift in that, certainly there's the issue of S-400 out there," said the Admiral.

He also pointed out that India loved the change of the US Pacific Command's name to Indo-Pacific Command. "It does not include a change in the area of responsibility, but it does more accurately described, uh, the area of responsibility and the important linkage that the Indian Ocean and the Pacific and countries around it are to each other. Everybody in the area of responsibility loves the name except China. The Indians really love it."

While the US has not yet applied the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) on India for buying the S-400 from Russia, it has already acted against its NATO ally Turkey for buying the same missile system. US President Donald Trump has stopped the sale of over 100 F-35 Lightning II stealth fighters to Turkey and the European country has also been removed from the development programme of the 5th Generation fighter for taking delivery of the S-400 missile system

US Navy Indo-Pacific Command chief calls India buying S-400 Triumf from Russia a problem
 
S-400 missile defence system delivery on track, India makes $850 million payment

Updated: Nov 15, 2019 09:11 IST
By Rezaul H Laskar
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

India and Russia had signed a deal worth an estimated $5.4-billion for five S-400 systems during the annual summit of leaders of the two countries in October last year.
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File photo of Russian army S-400 Triumph medium-range and long-range surface-to-air missile systems at a rehearsal before the World War 2 anniversary in Moscow.(File photo: Reuters)

The timeframe for the supply of S-400 missile defence systems by Russia to India remains on track with the latter having made the first payment of $850 million for the big-ticket defence deal worth more than $5 billion, people familiar with developments said on condition of anonymity.

The payment, amounting to about 15% of the total deal, was made in September though a special mechanism worked out by the two sides to avert attracting sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) of the US, the people cited above added.

The people declined to go into details of the mechanism, given the sensitivity of the issues involved.

Over the past few months, India and Russia focused on alternative payment mechanisms to overcome the impact of potential US sanctions, including trade through a rupee-rouble mechanism (in which payments are made in rupees and roubles) or payments in euros for military hardware.

“There had been some concerns about the delivery schedule for all the five systems being delayed to 2025. But with the payment having been made, the first system is expected to be delivered in 16 to 18 months,” said one of the people cited in the first instance.

India and Russia had signed a deal worth an estimated $5.4-billion for five S-400 systems during the annual summit of leaders of the two countries in October last year. Russian officials said then that the first system was expected to be delivered by 2020 and that all deliveries would be completed in a five-year period.

Washington has repeatedly pressured New Delhi not to go ahead with the S-400 deal or other purchases of military hardware from Russia, which continues to account for about 60% of India’s military hardware. US officials have also expressed concern the S-400 could capture electronic signatures of American-origin military equipment and aerial platforms used by India and compromise them.

However, following a meeting with US secretary of state Mike Pompeo in October, external affairs minister S Jaishankar defended India’s “sovereign right” to buy weapons and said the country won’t be told by any state to not buy military hardware from Russia. Indian officials have also said the country meets the criteria for a waiver from US sanctions on the S-400 deal and that New Delhi can’t “wish away” its long-standing defence ties with Moscow.

The US has also pressured Turkey to scrap a deal for S-400 systems, with President Donald Trump saying after a meeting with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday that the acquisition of such sophisticated weapons “creates some very serious challenges for us”. The S-400 issue prompted the US to eject Turkey from the F-35 joint strike fighter programme.

In a recent letter to Erdogan, Trump warned he would have to impose sanctions on Turkey over the purchase of the S-400 systems.

When Roman Babushkin, the deputy chief of the Russian mission in New Delhi, was asked during an interaction on Tuesday if Trump’s threat could have implications for India, he replied: “Turkey is a clear demonstration that national interests are more important than satisfying the interests of some other countries. This is the case for India as well.”

In an apparent reference to efforts to overcome potential US sanctions, Babushkin added, “India needs the best air defence system and Russia will provide it. It depends on bilateral interests and we need to be safe from outside pressure. We are working with India on that.”

S-400 missile defence system delivery on track, India makes $850 million payment
 
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According to ex Air Chief Sohail Amman.
They will have to keep their S-400 system somewhere.
Wherever they keep it, will be within our striking distance.
 
safriz said:
According to ex Air Chief Sohail Amman.
They will have to keep their S-400 system somewhere.
Wherever they keep it, will be within our striking distance.
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We will keep them in GHQ, Pindi.

and yes none of our system is immune to twitter attack.
 
safriz said:
According to ex Air Chief Sohail Amman.
They will have to keep their S-400 system somewhere.
Wherever they keep it, will be within our striking distance.
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Almost everything we have focused on Pakistan is within striking distance of Pakistan.

It's all about how much loss you can sustain before you take out even one battalion worth of SAMs.
 
Gautam said:
S-400 missile defence system delivery on track, India makes $850 million payment

Updated: Nov 15, 2019 09:11 IST
By Rezaul H Laskar
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

India and Russia had signed a deal worth an estimated $5.4-billion for five S-400 systems during the annual summit of leaders of the two countries in October last year.
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File photo of Russian army S-400 Triumph medium-range and long-range surface-to-air missile systems at a rehearsal before the World War 2 anniversary in Moscow.(File photo: Reuters)

The timeframe for the supply of S-400 missile defence systems by Russia to India remains on track with the latter having made the first payment of $850 million for the big-ticket defence deal worth more than $5 billion, people familiar with developments said on condition of anonymity.

The payment, amounting to about 15% of the total deal, was made in September though a special mechanism worked out by the two sides to avert attracting sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) of the US, the people cited above added.

The people declined to go into details of the mechanism, given the sensitivity of the issues involved.

Over the past few months, India and Russia focused on alternative paymentmechanisms to overcome the impact of potential US sanctions, including trade through a rupee-rouble mechanism (in which payments are made in rupees and roubles) or payments in euros for military hardware.

“There had been some concerns about the delivery schedule for all the five systems being delayed to 2025. But with the payment having been made, the first system is expected to be delivered in 16 to 18 months,” said one of the people cited in the first instance.

India and Russia had signed a deal worth an estimated $5.4-billion for five S-400 systems during the annual summit of leaders of the two countries in October last year. Russian officials said then that the first system was expected to be delivered by 2020 and that all deliveries would be completed in a five-year period.

Washington has repeatedly pressured New Delhi not to go ahead with the S-400 deal or other purchases of military hardware from Russia, which continues to account for about 60% of India’s military hardware. US officials have also expressed concern the S-400 could capture electronic signatures of American-origin military equipment and aerial platforms used by India and compromise them.

However, following a meeting with US secretary of state Mike Pompeo in October, external affairs minister S Jaishankar defended India’s “sovereign right” to buy weapons and said the country won’t be told by any state to not buy military hardware from Russia. Indian officials have also said the country meets the criteria for a waiver from US sanctions on the S-400 deal and that New Delhi can’t “wish away” its long-standing defence ties with Moscow.

The US has also pressured Turkey to scrap a deal for S-400 systems, with President Donald Trump saying after a meeting with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday that the acquisition of such sophisticated weapons “creates some very serious challenges for us”. The S-400 issue prompted the US to eject Turkey from the F-35 joint strike fighter programme.

In a recent letter to Erdogan, Trump warned he would have to impose sanctions on Turkey over the purchase of the S-400 systems.

When Roman Babushkin, the deputy chief of the Russian mission in New Delhi, was asked during an interaction on Tuesday if Trump’s threat could have implications for India, he replied: “Turkey is a clear demonstration that national interests are more important than satisfying the interests of some other countries. This is the case for India as well.”

In an apparent reference to efforts to overcome potential US sanctions, Babushkin added, “India needs the best air defence system and Russia will provide it. It depends on bilateral interests and we need to be safe from outside pressure. We are working with India on that.”

S-400 missile defence system delivery on track, India makes $850 million payment
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The end of the US SH18, F21, F35 possible sales.
 
Bon Plan said:
The end of the US SH18, F21, F35 possible sales.
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IAF will never go the American route, however close Indo-American relations get. The would not allow us to integrate any other missile systems and platforms other than American ones. American weapons systems though great, cost an arm and a leg.
And we might not be able to use the aircraft in offensive situations if the US does not like. Just take a look at the INS Jalashwa, we cannot use it in offensive ops.
 
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The end of the US SH18, F21, F35 possible sales.
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They won't give us what we want, they want to give us what we don't want. So there really is no difference whether we buy S-400 or not because such large deals, especially with ToT, won't work with them anyway. And after that they will put restrictions on the use of weapons while also holding the sanctions card right over our head.

The only big ticket deals that will work are the ones where we own at least 50% of the project.
 
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randomradio said:
They won't give us what we want, they want to give us what we don't want. So there really is no difference whether we buy S-400 or not because such large deals, especially with ToT, won't work with them anyway. And after that they will put restrictions on the use of weapons while also holding the sanctions card right over our head.

The only big ticket deals that will work are the ones where we own at least 50% of the project.
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Americans never give ToT, not even to their closest allies.
 
safriz said:
Yeah...same as Brigade headquarters were immune? There is a juicy video clip from our H-4 SOW targeting camera 😅
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Off course its immune, its still standing, no?

Do you know what it take to fire at heart than to fire in air?
 
Snubbing US Concerns, India Reveals Induction Day of First Squadron of Russian-Made S-400s

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New Delhi (Sputnik): During a meeting of top government officials in Washington between India and the US on 18 December, the latter had raised concern over New Delhi’s plan to purchase Russian missile defence systems. The US had urged India to look at American platforms instead, to enhance the level of interoperability between Indian and US forces.

The Indian Defence Ministry is preparing to go ahead with deploying Russian-made S-400 missile defence systems in 2020, despite the disapproval expressed by US officials earlier this month.


While highlighting a mounting aerial threat in the recent years, especially with the all-pervasive threat from drones, even during peace time, the Indian Defence Ministry has said: “The equipment of the first squadron is likely to be inducted in mid-2020.”​


The ministry in its annual report has stated that the air defence challenge is compounded by the employment of stand-off weapons, projectiles and munitions including cruise missiles by the adversaries.

The statement has come days after the US urged India to shun the deal with Russia and prefer American defence systems.


On 19 December, a senior US State Department official said: “The S-400 has been a longstanding issue… At a certain point in time, there is a strategic choice that needs to be made about platforms and systems, and our – certainly, we are encouraging India to look at our platforms and our systems as the most efficacious, as it’s facing challenges in the Indo-Pacific region.”​


US had made a similar offer to Turkey with its Patriot air defence systems. But Ankara had categorically rejected these, saying that the American offer was no match for the offer made by Russia, with its S-400s.

India and Russia signed a $5.43 billion contract in 2018 for the purchase of five S-400 missile defence systems, despite US threats to slap sanctions on any country that buys from Russia’s defence sector under CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act).

Russia will fulfil its contract to deliver S-400 missile systems to India in 2025, as it has already received the first advance payment, Rostec State Corporation CEO Sergey Chemezov said in November 2019.

Snubbing US Concerns, India Reveals Induction Day of First Squadron of Russian-Made S-400s
 
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