S-400 'Triumf' News & Discussion

They wouldn't have had time to replace anything anyway given the timescale of the war. Any manufacturing facilities and key targets were wiped in the first 24 hours.

You can't make anything if all your factories have been destroyed.

If you say so, but history says otherwise.

It has the accuracy too.

Refuelling vessels.
Indian doctrine is simple - have as many as needed to overpower immediate requirements and have enough capacity to manufacture enough to make quick production for war time needs.

India also has large number of missiles which it will use against the bases and ships of enemies which will render them useless before they can launch much of an attack as in Iraq

It took NATO 7 months of preparation to attack Iraq but if India is even given time of 3 months, much more of items will be made in India that it will be impossible to attack.
 
Indian doctrine is simple - have as many as needed to overpower immediate requirements and have enough capacity to manufacture enough to make quick production for war time needs.

India also has large number of missiles which it will use against the bases and ships of enemies which will render them useless before they can launch much of an attack as in Iraq

It took NATO 7 months of preparation to attack Iraq but if India is even given time of 3 months, much more of items will be made in India that it will be impossible to attack.
Flawed thinking, it's not WWII anymore. Modern weaponry is so precise that your weapons and factories will be out of commission in days if you can't stop the enemy achieving air superiority.

You'd be surprised how many missiles it takes to kill one modern destroyer. Saddam fired lots of Silkworms.

And it took Saddam 6 hours to take over Kuwait. Diplomacy took 7 months, not preparation. After the first week, Saddam was beaten.
 
Dude, you are the person claiming I am lying. And you did not even quote me, scared you will need to provide proof of the nonsense you just said.

Let us for a second assuming that I have false facts. As you say, the entire world has 'facts' provide the same. Else go through the entire section on Doklam and shut your utter rubbish on something you have zero knowledge about.
I'm just saying what non-Indian news outlets said.
 
Flawed thinking, it's not WWII anymore. Modern weaponry is so precise that your weapons and factories will be out of commission in days if you can't stop the enemy achieving air superiority.

You'd be surprised how many missiles it takes to kill one modern destroyer. Saddam fired lots of Silkworms.

And it took Saddam 6 hours to take over Kuwait. Diplomacy took 7 months, not preparation. After the first week, Saddam was beaten.
The same works with India too. India also has very precise missiles and SAM to prevent anyone from achieving air superiority of enemies unless they have extraordinary number of planes which will take months to years to build. And India will counter build in that time.

Silkworm missiles had missed most of the time. It would not take more than 2 precise hit to destroy a destroyer.

It took 7 months of diplomacy without any preparation? Are you serious? Also, Kuwait is an ultra small country and hardly had any strength to defend itself. It is not something that displays might of military. Even in ancient times, Genghis Khan would invade such small territories in less than a week
 
So modern weapons are very precise. So precise that they can wreck the industrial base and military capabilities of a nation. Yet the S-400 is all hype. And in all those 7 months preceding the First Gulf War, all the allies did was talk. They made zero military preparations whatsoever.

You know what you remind me of? Take a look below -

That's basically it. SAMs have never done well against aircraft especially not when the SEAD/DEAD aircraft can fire back as soon as they switch their radars on, or even before with sufficient satellite intelligence.
 
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Ever tried stand up comedy? Please do. You're a complete natural. A mid life career shift would sometimes do the trick for you as it has for many.
When have SAMs ever done well against air power? Answer - Never. They're a desperate last ditch attempt by people with no air power.
 
When have SAMs ever done well against air power? Answer - Never. They're a desperate last ditch attempt by people with no air power.
So, Indians lack air power. In which case, forget China, even Pakistan would mop up India. You know what, you're right. A few shots of Guinness have made me see things your way.
 
Against China India lacks air power. China has twice as many fighters and twice as many attack aircraft... plus a few stealth fighters allegedly.
 
Against China India lacks air power. China has twice as many fighters and twice as many attack aircraft... plus a few stealth fighters allegedly.
But then, if china uses that Air power against India, China will leave its more important eastern underbelly unguarded against even bigger enemy, the USA.

Also, India has many many bases near the border but China has only few air-bases in Tibet. Combined with powerful SAM systems, their air-power is worthless against India.
 
Of course they can. The Russians have no clue about MIRVs.
Why Pakistan is harping about strategic weapons against a SAM? You use a MIRV tipped missile, you see Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Hyderabad and everything in between disappear even before any of those MIRV warheads land.
 
But then, if china uses that Air power against India, China will leave its more important eastern underbelly unguarded against even bigger enemy, the USA.

Also, India has many many bases near the border but China has only few air-bases in Tibet. Combined with powerful SAM systems, their air-power is worthless against India.

USA is not Indian friend and will not fight anyone for India, not even China. USA is known for its vulture behaviour and can be considered as Indian enemy rather than friend
 
Why Pakistan is harping about strategic weapons against a SAM? You use a MIRV tipped missile, you see Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Hyderabad and everything in between disappear even before any of those MIRV warheads land.

Talking about MIRVs makes them feel good about their predicament, which otherwise is headed towards hopelessness and despair. I say, let them be.
 
Indo-Russia S-400 deal: Implications for Pakistan - Shahid Raza - Global Village Space


Surprisingly sane article. For most parts, at least from our western neighbor. True inheiritors of the Mughal Empire. As per their own declarations.

I don't really know why they believe the S-400s will mostly be static. We ultimately plan to operate 40 batteries at the minimum, it's obvious some will be static, not all of them.

And what's weird is just saying the S-400 missiles have a shelf life of 10 years. The missiles actually have a 15-year life and the procurement of missiles are stretched over 10+ years. So missiles will be available until 2035-45. And the SAM system itself will undergo MLUs along with a new tranche of missile orders. We can easily operate the SAM for 40 years. We could see it being phased out in the 2060s.

The doubts about India not getting the 40N6 is weird. There is nothing stopping its sale to India especially when we are even operating a Russian SSN.

As for the tactics and weapons to be used against the SAM system, all of those are generic Desert Storm tactics. The S-400 has counters to all of them. The only thing that will work against the S-400 will be stealth. Unless you have stealth, you have to be prepared to take heavy losses anyway. The PAF could end up using all their resources in just countering the S-400 throughout the war.
 
The PAF could end up using all their resources in just countering the S-400 throughout the war.
And that itself will be enough for IAF to wreck havoc in Pakistan with PAF tied down. A couple of squadrons of su30mkis in offensive and MIG29s & mirages patrolling and providing air cover to Indian army it will be end game for Pakistan with rest of IAF fleet available for China which will have to face at least 10 squadrons of su30mkis and 2 squadrons of Rafales which is enough to defend any Chinese design.
They don't realise this or acting like ostrich with head in sand and thinking everything is ok...🙂
 
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