S-400 'Triumf' News & Discussion

China is investing in S400 as well. You are self contradictory.

At one place, chinese investment is taken as assurance for air supremacy, while at other its ignored by you.
Yes and iPhones LOL.
 
Without support of any land based air crafts and far away from their territorial waters, they will be dead. Besides, none of Chinese weapon systems are tested. We operate battle proven ones.
The S-300 and S-400 are battle proven? List their combat kills please.
 
The Chinese do not cross what they think is our border, and we do not cross what we think is their border. Both countries operate in disputed territory and claim the other's invading their space.

Here's the Chinese claiming India "invaded" China.
Like India in Doklam, Third Country's Army Could Enter Kashmir on Behalf of Pakistan: Chinese Paper
The Chinese state media have carried a barrage of critical articles on the Doklam standoff criticising India, but this was the first time Pakistan and Kashmir have been brought into the narrative

“Indian troops invaded China’s Doklam area in the name of helping Bhutan, but in fact the invasion was intended to help India by making use of Bhutan,” it said, referring to the June 30 statement issued by India’s External Affairs Ministry.

We have been "invading" China for decades now.

Being a democracy, India is merely more vocal about the Chinese intrusions in the media. It allows the Indian military to stay relevant in India's public discourse, for obvious reasons, since the military does not make policy.
That's just what your government tells you.
China claims victory in India border row
 
That's just what your government tells you.
China claims victory in India border row

Lets get this straight.

1. They crossed into Bhutan. To construct a road which they claim is their territory.
2. We crossed into Bhutan (into territory Chinese says is Chinese), destroyed their road and confiscated their equipment.
3. They agreed to stop road construction in the disputed area. We return their equipment.
4. They station troops, as it was earlier and construct roads on their side on undisputed territory.
5. They claim victory for constructing road on undisputed territory.

Yeaaaaa!!!!!!

Now let me give you a scenario, where you (UK) would do something similar.
1. You enter South China Sea.
2. Station troops there and refuse to budge till Chinese remove their troops.
3. China removes troops and agrees to not build.

When you do this, wake me up.

Stick to technical topics, not stuff on which you do not have any idea or inkling about. Looks foolish.
 
Lets get this straight.

1. They crossed into Bhutan. To construct a road which they claim is their territory.
2. We crossed into Bhutan (into territory Chinese says is Chinese), destroyed their road and confiscated their equipment.
3. They agreed to stop road construction in the disputed area. We return their equipment.
4. They station troops, as it was earlier and construct roads on their side on undisputed territory.
5. They claim victory for constructing road on undisputed territory.

Yeaaaaa!!!!!!

Now let me give you a scenario, where you (UK) would do something similar.
1. You enter South China Sea.
2. Station troops there and refuse to budge till Chinese remove their troops.
3. China removes troops and agrees to not build.

When you do this, wake me up.

Stick to technical topics, not stuff on which you do not have any idea or inkling about. Looks foolish.
That's the version you were told by your government, in order for them to save face.
 
That's the version you were told by your government, in order for them to save face.
Refute it with proper references, you fool. Take a good look around. Where do you think you're arguing your point? At O'Shea's over a pint of Guinness?
 
Refute it with proper references, you fool. Take a good look around. Where do you think you're arguing your point? At O'Shea's over a pint of Guinness?
Nah, it's just that the entire world heard you were the ones who backed down, but you think it was the other way around.
 
Nah, it's just that the entire world heard you were the ones who backed down, but you think it was the other way around.

Fine. Let's see what you say the entire world heard and point by point refute what I am saying with proof. Which of the below is false.

1. They crossed into Bhutan. To construct a road which they claim is their territory.
2. We crossed into Bhutan (into territory Chinese says is Chinese), destroyed their road and confiscated their equipment.
3. They agreed to stop road construction in the disputed area. We return their equipment.
4. They station troops, as it was earlier and construct roads on their side on undisputed territory.
5. They claim victory for constructing road on undisputed territory.

If you are willing to provide proof, so will I.

Else, just admit you got caught with your pants down on a topic about which you knew zilch and got educated.

In fact, there is a better option. There is a thread running on Doklam. With maps and positions on the ground of troops. On this very forum. Go through the same. The same thread has contributions from @Hellfire and many more chaps who have served in that area.
 
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Nah, it's just that the entire world heard you were the ones who backed down, but you think it was the other way around.

yes, we backed down. We were hoping UK to send them carriers, but that didn't work out. Now we just have to face the consequences :(
 
As per fact at the time. In terms of numerical size, it was only behind US, Russia and China. You massively underestimate how many tanks, APCs, IFV, artillery pieces and aircraft were destroyed (many still on the ground). It was a demonstration of how fast you get screwed if you don't have air superiority.
Iraq made none of the items and everything was imported. So, even if the number was lare, it was limited to that number alone and nothing extra could be made in case of war of attrition.
China would destroy India with a limited conflict.

You should revisit Desert Storm. After 2 weeks of air power, there was little left on the ground and anything left had its engine turned off to avoid detection from the air, and was easy prey.
Desert storm was based on a country that was worthless and had no defence manufacturing. Aleo, NATO prepared ground for 7months to fight Iraq.

India has defence manufacturing and can make plenty of SAMs, missiles, planes if needed in war footing. India is capable of fighting war of attrition
Yes but China beat you in the last war. That's the difference.
Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia

Who is the much bigger enemy?

I agree with the last statement.
China India war of 1962 wasjust a skirmish. It was not a decisive victory. Even when India was at its weak point due to Nehru, India was not so weak as to be defeated decisively
They actually did launch Silkworm AShMs but they were shot down. China can attack everything in India with more firepower than India can throw back, and with air superiority.
Shooting a person 10 times is overkill. Just 2 good shot is enough. So, merely more brute force is not power
Indian Navy vs Chinese Navy = Easy win for China. This is the problem, you are outgunned in the air and at sea.
India knows to make ships and can manufacture in large quantities. Moreover, minimum distance from China to Andaman-Nicobar Islands is 3600km in one way trip. Travelling that far is not a feasible thing and will certainly require nuclear powered vessels to be able to make 2 way trip of 8000km and some loitering time.
 
They wouldn't have had time to replace anything anyway given the timescale of the war. Any manufacturing facilities and key targets were wiped in the first 24 hours.

You can't make anything if all your factories have been destroyed.

If you say so, but history says otherwise.

It has the accuracy too.

Refuelling vessels.
 
They wouldn't have had time to replace anything anyway given the timescale of the war. Any manufacturing facilities and key targets were wiped in the first 24 hours.

You can't make anything if all your factories have been destroyed.

If you say so, but history says otherwise.

It has the accuracy too.

Refuelling vessels.
Just think, it took 7 months of preparation for entire NATO forces of almost 20 countries to make an attack of that calibre on Iraq a nation More than 20 times smaller than India with no military industry base and places to hide its military installations like India which has deserts, dense forests, valleys, bays, mountains, islands,etc. Add to that modern military with sophisticated weapons like advance missiles BMD, SAMs, radars, electronic warfare, nuclear submarines, NUCLEAR WEAPONS and a population of 1.35 billion and your entire statistics falls like nine pins.

It would take more than 70years preparations for NATO forces forget China to attack India enough to replenish anything and everything required to fight war of attrition. If we suffer so will our enemies....😁😁😁

Come out of your mindset which still thinks India as your former colony and land of snake charmers. Fact is India is poised to be 3rd largest economy in the world soon with 3rd largest military while British economy is on the shrink with brexit and a third rate military sitting on Uncle Sam's LAP...☺☺

You just remembered 1962 but forgot 1967 and 1987 when India pushed Lizard back to its stinky hole with heavy casualties...😀
 
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Provide proof of what you're saying.

Dude, you are the person claiming I am lying. And you did not even quote me, scared you will need to provide proof of the nonsense you just said.

Let us for a second assuming that I have false facts. As you say, the entire world has 'facts' provide the same. Else go through the entire section on Doklam and shut your utter rubbish on something you have zero knowledge about.