S-400 'Triumf' News & Discussion

Trump is mad.
He declared next days that Russia, China and Europe are ennemy ! For different reasons... but ennemy... He is totally mad.

India, Europe must resist to this new kind of fool leadership.

India : take S400.
Belgium : don't take F35
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Pretty sad you prefer Russia over USA even with strained tensions.

I obviously prefer USA/CAD winning deals over France, but I wouldn't even for a second hope for Russia to score over France.
 
CCS clearance has been given. Signature next week. :D

India agrees to buy S-400 missile system from Russia
Indian defense officials have agreed to purchase several Russian-built S-400 advanced missile defense system, becoming the latest U.S. ally to buy top-tier weapon systems from Moscow.

Members of India’s Cabinet Committee on Security, chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, gave the green light Friday to the S-400 deal, which will send five missile systems to the Indian military, Defense News reported.

The plan is expected to be formalized during the next round of bilateral talks between Moscow and New Delhi on Oct. 5.

Mr. Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin put the plan to purchase the Russian missile system in motion last October, during the most recent round of national security talks between the two powers.

Neither U.S. military officials nor diplomats in the region have weighed in on the decision by the central committee, but the decision marks the second time a key U.S. ally in the Middle East and South Asia have agreed to buy and field the Russian weapon system.
 
Who are you expecting it to work against though? That is the question.
 
It won't work against China though, which is your greatest adversary.
 
I don't think Pakistan's nuclear attack capability will be effected if India gets S-400. Although PAF jets will be at increased risk.
This was never meant to be an anti-ballistic system. There are specialized systems for that, which India possesses. This is to take out cruise missiles and airforce. Positioned near border, this system can make sure Pakistan's fuel tankers and AWACS -- which Pakistan has a lot -- cannot be used for any purposes. It basically makes your lack of territorial depth very very hard for you. With Pakistan, if you neutralize PAF, rest of offensive power is worthless. It basically does that.

For Pakistan's nuclear capability, there are much better and simpler ways. Quite a few of those go via Washington DC.
 
It won't work against China though, which is your greatest adversary.
You are making a mistake. China is not exactly India's biggest headache. Not in military domain at least. Chinese are rational people. The hoo-haas and yahoos in the west are the real problem.

Besides, you neuter Pakistan, you cut a sharp nail from China's claw.
 
It won't work against China though, which is your greatest adversary.

It will work against China also. The S-400's long range capability is effective against HVAs, so the country flags don't matter.

If you are referring to ABM capability, then we have more dedicated systems for that.

When it comes to AD, it's ridiculously effective against the PAF.
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You are making a mistake. China is not exactly India's biggest headache. Not in military domain at least. Chinese are rational people. The hoo-haas and yahoos in the west are the real problem.

Besides, you neuter Pakistan, you cut a sharp nail from China's claw.
Except that if China and Pakistan are working together, the S-400 will not work against either.
 
It will work against China also. The S-400's long range capability is effective against HVAs, so the country flags don't matter.

If you are referring to ABM capability, then we have more dedicated systems for that.

When it comes to AD, it's ridiculously effective against the PAF.
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No it won't, because Russia will make sure it doesn't work against their greatest ally and most important trading partner. It's a paper tiger.
 
Except that if China and Pakistan are working together, the S-400 will not work against either.
Actually it will. China will always fight India to the last Pakistani. The reason why S-400 is extremely effective against Pakistan is geography and not technology alone. Unless China figures out how to change that, we are good. I don't see that happening anytime.

Incase, China and Pakistan actually try to invade India together, we will have to nuke Pakistan out of existence in first few days of war or we will lose. Nuking Pakistan will push China back by itself. That said, we may have to lose one or two cities at max. But killing Pakistan for good is a good bargain in that case.
 
No it won't, because Russia will make sure it doesn't work against their greatest ally and most important trading partner. It's a paper tiger.
you are gravely under estimating the depths of russo indian co-op it's much greater than that of the so called UK-US anglo brotherhood , where you dont even have proper access to the F-35s that you are supporting development of and have to depend upon the Yanks for everything, same goes for your Tridents and Tomahawks.
 
The Russians will give its most important ally and trading partner - China - the codes to disable the SAMs. But then, having given China the same SAMs, it has probably already worked out how to disable them anyway.
 
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It will work against China also. The S-400's long range capability is effective against HVAs, so the country flags don't matter.

If you are referring to ABM capability, then we have more dedicated systems for that.

When it comes to AD, it's ridiculously effective against the PAF.
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Why cant the pakistanis or chinese just overwhelm the s400 with a larger number of glide bombs or CM that the number of S400 SAM's?
 
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Why cant the pakistanis or chinese just overwhelm the s400 with a larger number of glide bombs or CM that the number of S400 SAM's?
Its a mobile platform. They need to ascertain the position of the platform before they can engage. Plus long range makes it even more difficult. Ultimately it comes down to this : A ground based asset will always have option of more power, larger antenna and longer range missile. So, S-400 can see Pakistan's air assets before they can find where they need to send their weapons and can engage aircrafts at much longer range. Plus S-400 will not act alone, it will be part of a bigger network. Combining S-300 batteries and Akaash.
 
Its a mobile platform. They need to ascertain the position of the platform before they can engage. Plus long range makes it even more difficult. Ultimately it comes down to this : A ground based asset will always have option of more power, larger antenna and longer range missile. So, S-400 can see Pakistan's air assets before they can find where they need to send their weapons and can engage aircrafts at much longer range. Plus S-400 will not act alone, it will be part of a bigger network. Combining S-300 batteries and Akaash.
Ever heard of satellites and reconnaissance drones?