Shivalik-class & Nilgiri-class (Project 17 A/B) Frigates : Discussions

Parthu said:
Btw, can anyone tell me what is that line these three Talwar-class frigates (INS Trikand, Tabar & Teg) are dragging between them?

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Here's an up-close view of a distance line:

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Used to, as it's name suggests, keep a safe distance between ships during replenishment. Generally a distance line is accompanied by a phone line between the two ships as well. They're not too well known for non-service sailors since they aren't very glamorous, but they're an absolute necessity for safe replenishment.

I also enlarged, but not enhanced, the picture of the Talwars to show their replenishment at sea, which would mandate the usage of a distance line for safety:

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sid4587 said:
rotatory ones, so might be long range search radar.
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That's not what I meant. All secondary radars on ships are "volume search radars" meaning they are long range radars. What I was asking is what model is that ? looks like a Thales SMART-L to me, but we don't use any of them.
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The shtil-1 arm launcher on the shivalik and talwars are an anachronism.Still waiting for their replacement in mid life refit with VLS.These ships are pretty shit at aerial defense(shivalik thankfully has barak)
 
Austerlitz said:
The shtil-1 arm launcher on the shivalik and talwars are an anachronism.Still waiting for their replacement in mid life refit with VLS.These ships are pretty shit at aerial defense(shivalik thankfully has barak)
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The currently operated Shtil-1 can defeat Harpoon, Exocet, Uran, CM-802 and other subsonic threats quite well.

And, in a few years, 3 Talwars and 3 Delhi class ships will get the Shtil VLS. So we will have only 6 ships with the arm launcher by say 2025, which is good enough. The upcoming Talwars will get the Shtil VLS as well.

Shivalik's Barak is just CIWS. Although it does provide more robust defence than just the Shtil does.

I'd be more worried about our Rajput class destroyers though. The first 3 ships in particular have an entirely obsolete air defence system.
 
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randomradio said:
The currently operated Shtil-1 can defeat Harpoon, Exocet, Uran, CM-802 and other subsonic threats quite well.

And, in a few years, 3 Talwars and 3 Delhi class ships will get the Shtil VLS. So we will have only 6 ships with the arm launcher by say 2025, which is good enough. The upcoming Talwars will get the Shtil VLS as well.

Shivalik's Barak is just CIWS. Although it does provide more robust defence than just the Shtil does.

I'd be more worried about our Rajput class destroyers though. The first 3 ships in particular have an entirely obsolete air defence system.
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Hopefully this happens quickly,i don't have a problem with the shtil-1 missiles which is similar to chinese hq-16.I have problem with lack of VLS.The arm launcher cant handle saturation attacks.I am still waiting for delhi class to be upgraded with shtil vls and brahmos and actas sonar.If this happens before 2025 then i suppose its alright.Rajput class are dead weight,just retire them already.Put Brahmos on OPVs,more or less same thing as having rajputs.
 
Austerlitz said:
Hopefully this happens quickly,i don't have a problem with the shtil-1 missiles which is similar to chinese hq-16.I have problem with lack of VLS.The arm launcher cant handle saturation attacks.I am still waiting for delhi class to be upgraded with shtil vls and brahmos and actas sonar.If this happens before 2025 then i suppose its alright.Rajput class are dead weight,just retire them already.Put Brahmos on OPVs,more or less same thing as having rajputs.
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The Rajput class could be replaced by whatever will follow P-15B. Probably a P-15C or a new class of destroyers. Of course, even the P-17As can take over the Rajput's role in the Eastern Fleet.
 
With 1st Payment This Month, Russia To Deliver 2 Advanced Talwar Class Frigates In 2022

Shiv Aroor Jul 09 2019, 5:29 pm

Russia’s Yantar Shipyard will complete and deliver two Advanced Talwar class (Project 11356) frigates to the Indian Navy by end 2022, with India’s first payment instalment in the $950 million deal expected this month.

While preparation of the 2 hulls has been on in fits and starts since 2016, full-scale work will be triggered at one of Russia’s oldest shipyards on the Baltic coast with the first contractual payments arriving soon.

Sporting 22 Indian-built systems that will differentiate them from the six earlier Talwar-class ships, the new vessels will add significantly to the Indian Navy’s frontline fleet at a time when its resources stand stretched with expanding responsibilities in the Indian Ocean region, particularly the Gulf.

The ships, based on two old hulls that the Russian Navy was forced to walk away from, will be followed by two more that will be built under license by India’s state-owned Goa Shipyard Ltd. The propulsion systems have now been directly contracted by India (the same as those that power the earlier Talwar class ships) and will be supplied to Yantar by the Indian government, said Yantar Shipyard General Director Eduard Efimov today.

The shipyard is currently waiting on technical documentation from the ship’s designer, the Severnoye Design Bureau before beginning the process of procuring equipment to fit out the ship. Next month, the two hulls will be lifted out of the water and onto a slipway for fitment of early equipment, including the gas turbines.

Indian equipment on the Advanced Talwar class ships will include navigational equipment, combat management system, surface surveillance radar and the DRDO HUMSA sonar.

The four ships that will be built in India and Russia add to a fleet of six Russian-built Talwar class frigates, all currently in frontline operations.

Interestingly, the two ships to be built under license at Goa Shipyard will differ in their ‘technical design’ from the two under construction at Yantar, Efimov said, indicating that this was a result of significantly different manufacturing processes at Yantar and Goa Shipyard. The technical design documents for the Goa-built ships are to be finalised soon by Severnoye Design Bureau separately.

”Goa Shipyard is more than ready to make these ships on site. Our technical team has conducted a full study and this is their conclusion,” says Efimov, who will, by early next year, send a high-level technical team to provide technical assistance for the Indian build.

An Indian Navy team will visit Yantar later this year once the first two hulls have been lifted out of the water to monitor the first phase of equipping. Once fitted with equipment, the ships will begin a process of trials next year — harbour acceptance trials, harbour sea trials and finally user acceptance trials before formal delivery to the Indian Navy.

The Indian Navy also operates 3 Indian-designed and built Shivalik-class (Project 17) stealth frigates, with seven of an improved P17A type planned.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...2-advanced-talwar-class-frigates-in-2022.html
 
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