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India receives first BrahMos missiles for Project 1135.6 frigates

Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - Jane's Navy International

25 July 2019

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The Indian Navy (IN) has begun receiving BrahMos sea-launched cruise missiles (SLCMs) for its Talwar (Project 1135.6)-class frigates, Russian CEO of BrahMos Aerospace, Alexander Maksichev, has told Jane’s .

“The IN has started repair and modernisation of the Talwar Project 1135.6 type ships that were built at the Baltic Shipyard,” said Maksichev, in reference to the first three ships in the Talwar class. “These platforms will have their Klub-N strike missiles replaced by the BrahMos SLCM,” said Maksichev.

According to him, BrahMos Aerospace will supply an eight-cell vertical launch system (VLS) and a shipborne control unit to be integrated with the frigate.

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Gautam said:
India receives first BrahMos missiles for Project 1135.6 frigates

Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - Jane's Navy International

25 July 2019

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The Indian Navy (IN) has begun receiving BrahMos sea-launched cruise missiles (SLCMs) for its Talwar (Project 1135.6)-class frigates, Russian CEO of BrahMos Aerospace, Alexander Maksichev, has told Jane’s .

“The IN has started repair and modernisation of the Talwar Project 1135.6 type ships that were built at the Baltic Shipyard,” said Maksichev, in reference to the first three ships in the Talwar class. “These platforms will have their Klub-N strike missiles replaced by the BrahMos SLCM,” said Maksichev.

According to him, BrahMos Aerospace will supply an eight-cell vertical launch system (VLS) and a shipborne control unit to be integrated with the frigate.

India receives first BrahMos missiles for Project 1135.6 frigates | Jane's 360
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Still need to know

1) Is the SAM Launcher Arm is been replaced by the VLS System?

2) The Kasthan CIWS is been replaced by the AK630/Barak -1 Combo? - (As seen in the second flight of the Talwar Class)
 
GuardianRED said:
1) Is the SAM Launcher Arm is been replaced by the VLS System?
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That is part of the upgrade. The SAM is probably the Shtil-1 missile.

GuardianRED said:
2) The Kasthan CIWS is been replaced by the AK630/Barak -1 Combo? - (As seen in the second flight of the Talwar Class)
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Maybe, I don't know frankly. It would be beneficial logistically, given the sheer number of Barak-1 we use.
 
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The keel of the first P-17A was laid on 10th November 2018. The launch is on 28th September 2019.

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So build time for the float segment(hull no superstructure) was effectively 10 months and 18 days.
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Let's see how long the rest of it takes.
Oh by the way, WTH happened to the Vizag class destroyers ?
 
Gautam said:
The keel of the first P-17A was laid on 10th November 2018. The launch is on 28th September 2019.

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So build time for the float segment(hull no superstructure) was effectively 10 months and 18 days.
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Let's see how long the rest of it takes.
Oh by the way, WTH happened to the Vizag class destroyers ?
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Nope, you are mixing MDL and GRSE.

Check page #1

Contract sign - 20 Feb 2015 (Both shipyards asked two-year long preparation time)
Steel cutting - 16 Feb 2017
Keel laid - 28 Dec 2017
Launch - 16 Sep 2019
Expected Delivery - 2022
 
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Ashwin said:
Nope, you are mixing MDL and GRSE.

Check page #1

Contract sign - 20 Feb 2015 (Both shipyards asked two-year long preparation time)
Steel cutting - 16 Feb 2017
Keel laid - 28 Dec 2017
Launch - 16 Sep 2019
Expected Delivery - 2022
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Oopsie.........my bad.
randomradio said:
Interesting. The mast looks different in the background pic compared to the Kolkata class.
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That CGI has been used before. But the models displayed to various shows have the same mast as the P-15A/B. Not sure what to make of it. Maybe this is the design and they are too lazy to change the models or maybe the models are right and the CGI is not.
 
Gautam said:
Oopsie.........my bad.

That CGI has been used before. But the models displayed to various shows have the same mast as the P-15A/B. Not sure what to make of it. Maybe this is the design and they are too lazy to change the models or maybe the models are right and the CGI is not.
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Probably a company was hired to make the poster design, and they made whatever they wanted. Would be nice to see a new design though.
 
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randomradio said:
Probably a company was hired to make the poster design, and they made whatever they wanted.
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They just used the same old CGI which has been floating on internet for 5+ years.

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Would be nice to see a new design though.
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The mast on the real ship will look exactly the same as Kolkata/Vizag class.

This is an 'official' CGI by DND:

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And the scale model:

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...give you an idea of the actual design. Unfortunately, for whatever reason they seem to have abandoned the stealthy, flush superstructure in the mid-section (which on the Shivalik served to enclose the RHIB bay):

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...the P-17A appears to have significantly less signature management in that portion because of that.

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The fore deck though (bow) is properly 'flush', kinda similar to FREMM in that way.
 
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Parthu said:
They just used the same old CGI which has been floating on internet for 5+ years.

Project-17A.jpg




The mast on the real ship will look exactly the same as Kolkata/Vizag class.

This is an 'official' CGI by DND:

D38R4HvUcAATWi9.jpg:large


And the scale model:

img_20180411_103508-marked-jpg.2377

Project%2B17A%2BFFG-2.jpg


...give you an idea of the actual design. Unfortunately, for whatever reason they seem to have abandoned the stealthy, flush superstructure in the mid-section (which on the Shivalik served to enclose the RHIB bay):

D8HA4B1UIAAy3IE


...the P-17A appears to have significantly less signature management in that portion because of that.

D8HAzTWU8AArkew


The fore deck though (bow) is properly 'flush', kinda similar to FREMM in that way.
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Yeah, now I remember that old design.

Dunno why they designed the smoke stacks that way though.
 
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You got a ship dedicated to you @Nilgiri. Congrats.:D
The flush deck looks stunning. But we all know they are going to add rails on that thing and it won't be truly flush anymore.

Also the reason for the removal of the RHIB bay isn't something I can comprehend. It feels like a step in the wrong direction.

What is the secondary radar ? Wasn't it supposed to be BEL-Indra LANZA ? It looks like a Thales SMART-L in the CGI.
 
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You got a ship dedicated to you @Nilgiri. Congrats.:D
The flush deck looks stunning. But we all know they are going to add rails on that thing and it won't be truly flush anymore.

Also the reason for the removal of the RHIB bay isn't something I can comprehend. It feels like a step in the wrong direction.

What is the secondary radar ? Wasn't it supposed to be BEL-Indra LANZA ? It looks like a Thales SMART-L in the CGI.
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Rails i think is ok - as long its a flush deck
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If this design is final product - we can see a number of changes to the original P17

1) Of course the redesign of the Mid Section - must admit a flush profile with integrated RHIB Bay would be better - Still we do see large Doors in this section - what would they be?
2) From Wiki - we are seeing 32Cell barak 2 - 16 ahead and 16 mid section
3) Position of the AK630 has move towards the rear of the Hanger ( previously mid section as seen on P17)
4) Single Hanger Door - must to accommodate the AK630 . Does this mean we shall see only single helicopter that this class can carry?
5) Flush desk :)
 
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