Shivalik-class & Nilgiri-class (Project 17 A/B) Frigates : Discussions
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No not necessarily
One can have a baseline UVLS with dimensions conforming to all available missiles and enough internal clearance for the individual cells to fit in adaptors ( to hold the different missile cannisters as well as incorporate either dummy channels for cold launch or functional channels for hot launch as the case maybe )
Yeah. But they have to design a new one. The current VLS won't do the job. In terms of dimensions, the current Brahmos VLS is more than enough.
With the current Kolkata design, they can easily add in a 40 cell VLS if they remove Brahmos, Barak 8 and RBU-6000 and replace the current deck with a flush deck. And in a new design, with an integrated mast with 2 radars, they can remove the aft radar and add 32 more cells there. But all these are possibilities beyond our scope as of now due to the limitations of our bureaucracy and lack of maturity of the industry.
Do you realise how many missile R&D teams have to come together on this project? The navy itself is not organised, how do you expect DRDO and the industry to become organised? The navy and R&D guys involved with SAMs are not gonna agree with the guys working on SSMs, the torpedo-missile guys are gonna do their own thing, the BMD guys are gonna ask for something unreasonable because they need altitude. Then we have to accomodate upcoming technologies like swarm drones and lasers. The swarm drone fellas are gonna ask for a bigger VLS. The laser guys want more deck space. And then finally we will have some extremely smart Admiral coming up with the idea of launching SRBMs. Then everything has to work seamlessly on a single console. And all of this is not even considering how long it's gonna take to indigenise all this stuff first since an Israeli, Russian and Indian are not gonna work together on this. It's no surprise even the Europeans have not managed to do this.
Considering that our frontline ships have enough space to add VLS in the future. How many days would it take to add those VLS cells in a warlike situation??
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VLS used for Bramhose is universal in the sense that all similar or less than dimension missiles compared to Bramhos can be launched, of Russian origin.
No, not the existing one.
Different type of missiles from Russia.
The Nirbhay missile you mean ? The Nirbhay missile is half the weight of a Brahmos. Its also slimmer & shorter than a Brahmos. I don't see why a Brahmos VLS can't accept a Nirbhay missile with adapters.
Interesting. Could you post any sources on that ?
No, I mean The current UVLS being used for Bramhos can't house both Russian and other than Russian origin missiles from same tube. However, in theory it can house other Russian weaponry under Indian arsenal. Whether it does or doesn't is not officially declared by IN. In regards to your second query, no confidential data is put out in public domain including on internet.
INS Trikand providing escort for MV Annika, a UN affiliated merchant ship transporting relief material from Berbera, Somaliland to Mombasa, Kenya through piracy prone waters, under the aegis of the World Food Programme.
A view of the gun with the cap on :
A view of her taken on phone from the Elephanta Caves :
A view of the gun with the cap on :
A view of her taken on phone from the Elephanta Caves :
GRSE Lays Keel of Navy's Second Stealth Frigate
By Jayanta Gupta| TNN | Jan 25, 2020, 04:29 IST
Kolkata: The Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE) on Friday laid the keel of the second of three advanced stealth frigates it is building for the Indian Navy, an official said here.
The keel is the lengthwise structure along the base of a ship, supporting the framework of the whole.
Vice Chief of Naval Staff (VCNS), Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar commended the city-based Defence PSU for its commitment in providing maintenance support to the ships built by it.
'GRSE can be proud of its achievements as it continues to build complex ships under stringent timelines,' he said in his address during the keel laying ceremony.
The officer said the Indian Navy and Indian Coast Guard are on a growth path, thus boding well for the shipyard's future wherein quality ships are expected on time.
The keel laying for the second frigate was achieved ahead of schedule, a GRSE official said.
The contract of Rs 19,294 crore for construction of three highly advanced stealth frigates under Project 17A is the largest ever order won by the company, the official said.
The contract was signed between the Ministry of Defence and GRSE on February 20, 2015.
The first ship is expected to be delivered in 2023 and the next two ships in 2024 and 2025 respectively, the official said.
P17A ships are state-of-the-art guided missile frigates, each of which is 149 metres long, with displacement of approximately 6,670 tons and a speed of 28 knots.
These frigates are being built deploying the latest integrated construction methodology with enhanced pre- outfitting to enhance quality and reduce build periods considerably, the official said.
GRSE lays keel for second advanced stealth frigate - Times of India
She will be called INS Vindyagiri. INS Nilgiri and INS Himgiri have been laid down in MDL. INS Taragiri and INS Vindyagiri in GRSE.
By Jayanta Gupta| TNN | Jan 25, 2020, 04:29 IST
Kolkata: The Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE) on Friday laid the keel of the second of three advanced stealth frigates it is building for the Indian Navy, an official said here.
The keel is the lengthwise structure along the base of a ship, supporting the framework of the whole.
Vice Chief of Naval Staff (VCNS), Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar commended the city-based Defence PSU for its commitment in providing maintenance support to the ships built by it.
'GRSE can be proud of its achievements as it continues to build complex ships under stringent timelines,' he said in his address during the keel laying ceremony.
The officer said the Indian Navy and Indian Coast Guard are on a growth path, thus boding well for the shipyard's future wherein quality ships are expected on time.
The keel laying for the second frigate was achieved ahead of schedule, a GRSE official said.
The contract of Rs 19,294 crore for construction of three highly advanced stealth frigates under Project 17A is the largest ever order won by the company, the official said.
The contract was signed between the Ministry of Defence and GRSE on February 20, 2015.
The first ship is expected to be delivered in 2023 and the next two ships in 2024 and 2025 respectively, the official said.
P17A ships are state-of-the-art guided missile frigates, each of which is 149 metres long, with displacement of approximately 6,670 tons and a speed of 28 knots.
These frigates are being built deploying the latest integrated construction methodology with enhanced pre- outfitting to enhance quality and reduce build periods considerably, the official said.
GRSE lays keel for second advanced stealth frigate - Times of India
She will be called INS Vindyagiri. INS Nilgiri and INS Himgiri have been laid down in MDL. INS Taragiri and INS Vindyagiri in GRSE.
Russia To Deliver 2 Guided-Missile Frigates To India by 2024
By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 07, 2020
The Indian Navy will take delivery of two Project 1135.6P/M guided-missile stealth frigates in the first half of 2024, according to the Russian defence industry.
Russia’s Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad will deliver the first two modified Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 1135.6P/M) guided-missile frigates to the Indian Navy in the first half of 2024, according to the Federal Service for Technical and Military Cooperation (FSTMC).
“In accordance with the existing work schedule agreed by the sides, the Project 11356 frigates under construction at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad are due to be delivered to the Indian Navy by the end of the first half of 2024,” the FSTMC’s press office said in a statement released at the DefExpo international arms show in India on February 6.
Under an inter-governmental agreement concluded between India and Russia in October 2016, two frigates are to be built at the Yantar shipyard, while two additional frigates will be assembled at India’s state-owned Goa shipyard with technical support from Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).
The two countries signed a contract for the delivery of the first batch of two Admiral Grigorovich-class guided-missile frigates in October 2018. A follow-on contract for construction of the second batch of frigates in India was inked in January 2019. The deal is estimated to be worth over $2.5 billion.
The Goa shipyard is currently being upgraded to accommodate work on the warships. “In order to build the ships, it is necessary to further equip the Indian shipyard, develop and deliver the necessary documentation and train Indian specialists, including in the process of building the ships at the Russian shipyard,” FSTMC said.
As I reported last year, work on two modified Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates has already begun. All four guided-missile frigates are expected to be delivered to the Indian Navy by 2026.
Admiral Grigorovich-class ships are an upgraded variant of the six Talwar-class frigates that Russia built for the Indian Navy between 2003 and 2013. As I reported in 2019:
The frigates will be armed with the BrahMos cruise missile system fired from an eight-cell 3S-14E under-deck launcher. The two-stage BrahMos missile — named after the Brahmaputra River in India and the Moskva River in Russia – is a derivative of the Russian-made P-800 Oniks over-the-horizon supersonic anti-ship cruise missile
In July 2018, Indian defence firm Larsen & Toubro (L&T) has also unveiled a quadruple canisterised inclined launcher for the BrahMos missile for Indian Navy surface warships. The ships of the class will also carry vertical-launched 3M-54 Kalibr missiles. The 3M-54 Kalibr is Russian-made stand-off supersonic anti-ship cruise missile. Other armaments include a 100-millimetre A-190 naval cannon, 533-millimetre heavyweight torpedoes, and anti-submarine rockets. The frigates also feature a flight deck to carry a helicopter for anti-submarine warfare missions.
India is expected to procure two M90FR gas turbine engines, designed and built by Zorya-Mashproekt, directly from Ukraine for the two frigates built in Goa. While Russia’s defence industry has been tasked with building copies of the M90FR gas turbine engine as a result of the Ukraine sanctions from 2014, a new engine is not expected to be ready before 2020.
Russia to Deliver 2 Guided-Missile Frigates to India by 2024
By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 07, 2020
The Indian Navy will take delivery of two Project 1135.6P/M guided-missile stealth frigates in the first half of 2024, according to the Russian defence industry.
Russia’s Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad will deliver the first two modified Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 1135.6P/M) guided-missile frigates to the Indian Navy in the first half of 2024, according to the Federal Service for Technical and Military Cooperation (FSTMC).
“In accordance with the existing work schedule agreed by the sides, the Project 11356 frigates under construction at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad are due to be delivered to the Indian Navy by the end of the first half of 2024,” the FSTMC’s press office said in a statement released at the DefExpo international arms show in India on February 6.
Under an inter-governmental agreement concluded between India and Russia in October 2016, two frigates are to be built at the Yantar shipyard, while two additional frigates will be assembled at India’s state-owned Goa shipyard with technical support from Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).
The two countries signed a contract for the delivery of the first batch of two Admiral Grigorovich-class guided-missile frigates in October 2018. A follow-on contract for construction of the second batch of frigates in India was inked in January 2019. The deal is estimated to be worth over $2.5 billion.
The Goa shipyard is currently being upgraded to accommodate work on the warships. “In order to build the ships, it is necessary to further equip the Indian shipyard, develop and deliver the necessary documentation and train Indian specialists, including in the process of building the ships at the Russian shipyard,” FSTMC said.
As I reported last year, work on two modified Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates has already begun. All four guided-missile frigates are expected to be delivered to the Indian Navy by 2026.
Admiral Grigorovich-class ships are an upgraded variant of the six Talwar-class frigates that Russia built for the Indian Navy between 2003 and 2013. As I reported in 2019:
The frigates will be armed with the BrahMos cruise missile system fired from an eight-cell 3S-14E under-deck launcher. The two-stage BrahMos missile — named after the Brahmaputra River in India and the Moskva River in Russia – is a derivative of the Russian-made P-800 Oniks over-the-horizon supersonic anti-ship cruise missile
In July 2018, Indian defence firm Larsen & Toubro (L&T) has also unveiled a quadruple canisterised inclined launcher for the BrahMos missile for Indian Navy surface warships. The ships of the class will also carry vertical-launched 3M-54 Kalibr missiles. The 3M-54 Kalibr is Russian-made stand-off supersonic anti-ship cruise missile. Other armaments include a 100-millimetre A-190 naval cannon, 533-millimetre heavyweight torpedoes, and anti-submarine rockets. The frigates also feature a flight deck to carry a helicopter for anti-submarine warfare missions.
India is expected to procure two M90FR gas turbine engines, designed and built by Zorya-Mashproekt, directly from Ukraine for the two frigates built in Goa. While Russia’s defence industry has been tasked with building copies of the M90FR gas turbine engine as a result of the Ukraine sanctions from 2014, a new engine is not expected to be ready before 2020.
Russia to Deliver 2 Guided-Missile Frigates to India by 2024
Any news whether it would have single arm Shtil-1 launcher similar to the previous 6 Talwar class frigates or 24 VLS cells for the 9M317M SAM like the Admiral Grigovorich class frigates of the Russian Navy?
The Navy was planning to replace the arm launchers with VLS on the existing Talwars, I don't see why they would go for arm launchers on the new ones. But I don't have any sources to confirm that.
Well we do know that these almost complete hulls were part of the Admiral Grigorovich-class and this class has 32cell VLS for the Shtil-1 . So it is a good guess that that these 2 hulls will be the same
Russia to deliver two Project 11356 frigates to India in first half of 2024
Russia to deliver two Project 11356 frigates to India in first half of 2024
February News 2020 Navy Naval Maritime Defense IndustryPOSTED ON SUNDAY, 09 FEBRUARY 2020 17:20
Indian Navy frigate INS Trikand (F51) of the Talwar class (modified Russian Krivak II class). (Picture source Wikimedia)
“In accordance with the existing work schedule agreed by the sides, the Project 11356 frigates currently under construction at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad will be handed over to the Indian Navy by the end of the first half of 2024,” the service said. Under the program, another two frigates will be built by an Indian shipyard.
According to the press office, the sides have already started to prepare India’s Goa Shipyard Limited for the construction of the ships.
“In order to build the ships, it is necessary to upgrade the Indian shipyard, work out and deliver the required documentation and train Indian specialists, including in the course of the construction of the ships at the Russian shipyard,” the service said.
In November 2018, Russia and India signed contracts for the delivery of four Project 11356 frigates. Under the contract, two frigates will be built in Russia and the other two by the Indian shipyard.
The Project 11356 frigate is designed to attack the enemy’s surface combatants and submarines at short and long ranges and fight aerial threats both independently and within a formation. The frigate is armed with the A-190 100mm gun, air defense missile systems, including the Kalibr-NK (NATO reporting name: SS-N-27 Sizzler) and the Shtil (SA-N-12 Grizzly) complexes, and torpedo tubes. The ship can carry a Kamov Ka-27 (Helix-A) helicopter or its versions.
Russia to deliver two Project 11356 frigates to India in first half of 2024
February News 2020 Navy Naval Maritime Defense IndustryPOSTED ON SUNDAY, 09 FEBRUARY 2020 17:20
“In accordance with the existing work schedule agreed by the sides, the Project 11356 frigates currently under construction at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad will be handed over to the Indian Navy by the end of the first half of 2024,” the service said. Under the program, another two frigates will be built by an Indian shipyard.
According to the press office, the sides have already started to prepare India’s Goa Shipyard Limited for the construction of the ships.
“In order to build the ships, it is necessary to upgrade the Indian shipyard, work out and deliver the required documentation and train Indian specialists, including in the course of the construction of the ships at the Russian shipyard,” the service said.
In November 2018, Russia and India signed contracts for the delivery of four Project 11356 frigates. Under the contract, two frigates will be built in Russia and the other two by the Indian shipyard.
The Project 11356 frigate is designed to attack the enemy’s surface combatants and submarines at short and long ranges and fight aerial threats both independently and within a formation. The frigate is armed with the A-190 100mm gun, air defense missile systems, including the Kalibr-NK (NATO reporting name: SS-N-27 Sizzler) and the Shtil (SA-N-12 Grizzly) complexes, and torpedo tubes. The ship can carry a Kamov Ka-27 (Helix-A) helicopter or its versions.
This is probably the first Nilgiri class(P-17A) frigate model with the Lanza secondary radar :
The main mast with ESM, EW, COMINT gear :
The EW system :
ESM :
COMINT :
The main mast with ESM, EW, COMINT gear :
The EW system :
ESM :
COMINT :
INS Trishul launching a Type 53 torpedo