Shivalik Class (Project 17 A/B) & Talwar Class Frigates

Aniruddha said:
I did some calculations and found out that a single Brahmos VLS cell can easily carry 4 Barak 8 missiles. Why do we not go this way. The American Arleigh Burke class destroyers pack their SAMs in a quad pack config in the Mk41 VLS.
Also, when are we going to get rid of the RBU-6000 rocket launchers, they eat quite a lot of space. Nearly every ship of the IN from a small corvette to a large destroyer has those RBU-6000 launchers.
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We are still import specialists. It's already very difficult to coordinate with our own industry, let alone the industries of other countries. Once we start designing our own missiles, a common modular VLS will become possible.

As for the RBU-6000, we may replace it once we have our own anti-sub missile, which is coming up.

Let's see what our future next gen designs will look like.
 
Aniruddha said:
I have read somewhere that their shipyards have 3 8hr shifts(basically 24hrs work) a d they do not support any kind of labour unions. Also the shipyards worjers do not have any holidays.
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And also most of the equipment on their ships is locally sourced, so minimum to no delays in procurement on weapons and subsystems
 
randomradio said:
We are still import specialists. It's already very difficult to coordinate with our own industry, let alone the industries of other countries. Once we start designing our own missiles, a common modular VLS will become possible.

As for the RBU-6000, we may replace it once we have our own anti-sub missile, which is coming up.

Let's see what our future next gen designs will look like.
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L&T along with DRDO developed VLS system for Brahmos, we should look to integrate Barak 8 into those VLS cells as one cell can easily accommodate 4 Barak 8. Also, DRDO is developing a VLS system known as Ship Launch System(SLS).
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Deathstar said:
Nice explanation.(y)(y)
Which method are Chinese using in their shipyards??? Even they had Russian influence.
Chinese have 30 Type 54A Frigates in PLAN. Commissioning started in 2008 and as per wiki all 30 are in service. This means they delivered 30 ships in 10-11 years through 2 shipyards.
Pakistan has ordered 4 of these in 2018 and all 4 are to be delivered by 2021 just 3 years
Thats absolutely amazing.
In comparison we have Kamorta class corvettes , we have planned 4 in service 3 , 1 being built.
Its construction started in 2005 and only 3 were delivered in 12 years.
What sort of tricks do the Chinese have in their pockets???
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The Chinese use the same modular construction method, with a few changes. People have already talked about labour conditions, so I will skip that. Aside from that, unlike the Americans, the Chinese don't put their ships through rigorous testing before putting it in service. If you are lucky everything will be fine, if not the ship will be making trips to the dry docks again and again.
 
Aniruddha said:
L&T along with DRDO developed VLS system for Brahmos, we should look to integrate Barak 8 into those VLS cells as one cell can easily accommodate 4 Barak 8. Also, DRDO is developing a VLS system known as Ship Launch System(SLS).
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Integrating the Barak 8 missile requires Israeli involvement, along with Russian, apart from various Indian companies. Plus the Barak 8 and Brahmos have to be redesigned, these are not drop fit, and even the VLS has to be redesigned since Barak 8 is a hot launch system and needs an exhaust.

It's a whole lot easier to just have 2 different VLS designs.

As I said, you need to work on entirely new missiles from scratch along with a modular VLS if you want what the Chinese and Americans have. So no Brahmos, no Barak etc.
 
randomradio said:
Integrating the Barak 8 missile requires Israeli involvement, along with Russian, apart from various Indian companies. Plus the Barak 8 and Brahmos have to be redesigned, these are not drop fit, and even the VLS has to be redesigned since Barak 8 is a hot launch system and needs an exhaust.

It's a whole lot easier to just have 2 different VLS designs.

As I said, you need to work on entirely new missiles from scratch along with a modular VLS if you want what the Chinese and Americans have. So no Brahmos, no Barak etc.
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Brahmos family platform is inherently good for VLS options.
I was under the assumption that UVSL already exists as a Brahmos- Nirbhay launcher.
 
Milspec said:
I was under the assumption that UVSL already exists as a Brahmos- Nirbhay launcher.
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We are yet to see if that's possible. The current UVLS may not necessarily do the job.

The U in UVLS is for different types of platforms, not different types of missiles.
 
Milspec said:
Brahmos family platform is inherently good for VLS options.
I was under the assumption that UVSL already exists as a Brahmos- Nirbhay launcher.
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randomradio said:
Integrating the Barak 8 missile requires Israeli involvement, along with Russian, apart from various Indian companies. Plus the Barak 8 and Brahmos have to be redesigned, these are not drop fit, and even the VLS has to be redesigned since Barak 8 is a hot launch system and needs an exhaust.

It's a whole lot easier to just have 2 different VLS designs.

As I said, you need to work on entirely new missiles from scratch along with a modular VLS if you want what the Chinese and Americans have. So no Brahmos, no Barak etc.
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No not necessarily

One can have a baseline UVLS with dimensions conforming to all available missiles and enough internal clearance for the individual cells to fit in adaptors ( to hold the different missile cannisters as well as incorporate either dummy channels for cold launch or functional channels for hot launch as the case maybe )
 
hellbent said:
No not necessarily

One can have a baseline UVLS with dimensions conforming to all available missiles and enough internal clearance for the individual cells to fit in adaptors ( to hold the different missile cannisters as well as incorporate either dummy channels for cold launch or functional channels for hot launch as the case maybe )
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Yeah. But they have to design a new one. The current VLS won't do the job. In terms of dimensions, the current Brahmos VLS is more than enough.

With the current Kolkata design, they can easily add in a 40 cell VLS if they remove Brahmos, Barak 8 and RBU-6000 and replace the current deck with a flush deck. And in a new design, with an integrated mast with 2 radars, they can remove the aft radar and add 32 more cells there. But all these are possibilities beyond our scope as of now due to the limitations of our bureaucracy and lack of maturity of the industry.

Do you realise how many missile R&D teams have to come together on this project? The navy itself is not organised, how do you expect DRDO and the industry to become organised? The navy and R&D guys involved with SAMs are not gonna agree with the guys working on SSMs, the torpedo-missile guys are gonna do their own thing, the BMD guys are gonna ask for something unreasonable because they need altitude. Then we have to accomodate upcoming technologies like swarm drones and lasers. The swarm drone fellas are gonna ask for a bigger VLS. The laser guys want more deck space. And then finally we will have some extremely smart Admiral coming up with the idea of launching SRBMs. Then everything has to work seamlessly on a single console. And all of this is not even considering how long it's gonna take to indigenise all this stuff first since an Israeli, Russian and Indian are not gonna work together on this. It's no surprise even the Europeans have not managed to do this.
 
Considering that our frontline ships have enough space to add VLS in the future. How many days would it take to add those VLS cells in a warlike situation??
 
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Milspec said:
Brahmos family platform is inherently good for VLS options.
I was under the assumption that UVSL already exists as a Brahmos- Nirbhay launcher.
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VLS used for Bramhose is universal in the sense that all similar or less than dimension missiles compared to Bramhos can be launched, of Russian origin.
Gautam said:
Nirbhay hasn't even finished testing yet. Its been a while since the last test. The dimensions of the missile does mean the Nirbhay might be able to operate out of Brahmos VLS.
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No, not the existing one.
randomradio said:
We are yet to see if that's possible. The current UVLS may not necessarily do the job.

The U in UVLS is for different types of platforms, not different types of missiles.
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Different type of missiles from Russia.
 
Gautam said:
The Nirbhay missile you mean ? The Nirbhay missile is half the weight of a Brahmos. Its also slimmer & shorter than a Brahmos. I don't see why a Brahmos VLS can't accept a Nirbhay missile with adapters.

Interesting. Could you post any sources on that ?
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No, I mean The current UVLS being used for Bramhos can't house both Russian and other than Russian origin missiles from same tube. However, in theory it can house other Russian weaponry under Indian arsenal. Whether it does or doesn't is not officially declared by IN. In regards to your second query, no confidential data is put out in public domain including on internet.
 
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GRSE Lays Keel of Navy's Second Stealth Frigate

By Jayanta Gupta| TNN | Jan 25, 2020, 04:29 IST
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Kolkata: The Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE) on Friday laid the keel of the second of three advanced stealth frigates it is building for the Indian Navy, an official said here.

The keel is the lengthwise structure along the base of a ship, supporting the framework of the whole.

Vice Chief of Naval Staff (VCNS), Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar commended the city-based Defence PSU for its commitment in providing maintenance support to the ships built by it.

'GRSE can be proud of its achievements as it continues to build complex ships under stringent timelines,' he said in his address during the keel laying ceremony.

The officer said the Indian Navy and Indian Coast Guard are on a growth path, thus boding well for the shipyard's future wherein quality ships are expected on time.

The keel laying for the second frigate was achieved ahead of schedule, a GRSE official said.

The contract of Rs 19,294 crore for construction of three highly advanced stealth frigates under Project 17A is the largest ever order won by the company, the official said.

The contract was signed between the Ministry of Defence and GRSE on February 20, 2015.

The first ship is expected to be delivered in 2023 and the next two ships in 2024 and 2025 respectively, the official said.

P17A ships are state-of-the-art guided missile frigates, each of which is 149 metres long, with displacement of approximately 6,670 tons and a speed of 28 knots.

These frigates are being built deploying the latest integrated construction methodology with enhanced pre- outfitting to enhance quality and reduce build periods considerably, the official said.

GRSE lays keel for second advanced stealth frigate - Times of India

She will be called INS Vindyagiri. INS Nilgiri and INS Himgiri have been laid down in MDL. INS Taragiri and INS Vindyagiri in GRSE.
 
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