I think DRDO will start quad packing VL-SRSAMs on UVLMs. If we can standardize a single type of launcher for our ships only then can we expect an increase in quantity.I think the count of UVLM will not increase on our capital warships. They will just share LR-LACM and Brahmos among those 08 or 16 cells.
GRSE in its Q2 FY24 concall said that it will be 7 ships, in the tune of around 70,000cr. Guess the number hasn't been decided yet. Mind that the contract for these won't be signed anytime soon, the AoN from DAC/CCS will only help in finalising the design and weapons configuration. The new projects are being sanctioned with more funds than necessary, to cater for delays and inflation.![]()
Mazagon, Garden Reach Shipbuilders lead race for Defence Ministry's ₹70,000 crore warships order
Defence ministry's ₹70,000 crore approval for Project 17B warships boosts MDL's Kalvari class submarines, Project 15B destroyers, and GRSE's patrol vessels and exports. MDL and GRSE, constructing Nilgiri class under Project 17A, will split the order for quicker delivery. Stealth frigates feature...m.economictimes.com
Rs 70,000 cr means it's 8 hulls, approximately $1 billion per ship. Let's hope this time they can keep the 4-year timeline.
This could also mean that NGC will be deprioritized.
If 70,000 crore is only for 7 ships, then it's a sign that Indian DPSU shipyards continue to remain extremely inefficient. The UK is building the Type 26 for less than $1 billion, and they are keeping to the promised timeline. Anyway, the RFP would only be issued in 2026.GRSE in its Q2 FY24 concall said that it will be 7 ships, in the tune of around 70,000cr. Guess the number hasn't been decided yet. Mind that the contract for these won't be signed anytime soon, the AoN from DAC/CCS will only help in finalising the design and weapons configuration. The new projects are being sanctioned with more funds than necessary, to cater for delays and inflation.
And NGC is not getting deprioritized, the RFP was issued in May 2024. The IN has fast-tracked its procurement to sign the contract within the next 12 months.
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India to build 8 Next Generation Corvettes for its Navy – Defense Archives
The Defence Acquisition Council accorded Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for the procurement of Next Generation Corvettes (NGC) at an estimated cost of approximatdefensearchives.de
it's more about the cost of equipment rather than the cost of man-hours.If 70,000 crore is only for 7 ships, then it's a sign that Indian DPSU shipyards continue to remain extremely inefficient.
4.2B pound is over 5.44B USD, don't know how that's <1B USD per ship. And it's already overshooting by 300M USD. Promised timeline? Laid in 2017 & operational in 28 (current projection). The timeline has shifted 3 times already.The UK is building the Type 26 for less than $1 billion, and they are keeping to the promised timeline.
The concall took place on 27th May, the transcript was released on 31st.RFP for NGC is yet to be issued according to GRSE (May 31). Any reliable source on fast tracking?.
Over 30B USD, yes, not a problem.My assumption is based on lack of budget. Next 3-4 years there are some big contracts lined up. rafale, MQ9B, P17B, P75I, follow on scorpian, follow on vikrant. This list itself is something like $28 billion !. More costly procurement will only happen if there is additional allocation.
You are right, just crossing $1 billion. P17B will be still costlier at $1.2 billion compared to a better equipped "European" ship. Thats saying something. I really hope its for 8 hulls !.it's more about the cost of equipment rather than the cost of man-hours.
4.2B pound is over 5.44B USD, don't know how that's <1B USD per ship. And it's already overshooting by 300M USD. Promised timeline? Laid in 2017 & operational in 28 (current projection). The timeline has shifted 3 times already.
Good news if thats the case.The concall took place on 27th May, the transcript was released on 31st.
RFP is out for NGC, 6:40 onwards, plan is to sign the contract next year.
It is a problem. Today total CAPX allocation is $6 billion (Actual availability would be $4.5b), there are limits they can dream with this budget. They already stopped talking about follow on P8I.Over 30B USD, yes, not a problem.
My bad, that 300M overshoot is for the first ship alone, totalling over 1.3B USD. Rest assured it will keep increasing before it enters service. And idk how it's "better equipped" with that tiny rotary radar. More missiles? Thats 24 Mk41 and 48 CAMM, numbers are just for an SRSAM. P17B is coming with VL-SRSAM and an ATAS from the get go, 32 LR-SAM combined with 8 UVLM and 16 VL-SRSAM, that is a well equipped ship. 10k cr? Yeah, it's construction will start 10 years after the first type 26 was laid, inflation catches up with everybody.You are right, just crossing $1 billion. P17B will be still costlier at $1.2 billion compared to a better equipped "European" ship. Thats saying something. I really hope its for 8 hulls !.
Last year's modernisation budget was 52k cr, assuming a growth rate of 7%, the budget will be enough for all these projects that will go into the 30s, more than enough time to pay for them all.It is a problem. Today total CAPX allocation is $6 billion (Actual availability would be $4.5b), there are limits they can dream with this budget. They already stopped talking about follow on P8I.
It's better equipped with the MT30, 127mm main gun, and 24 Mk41 VLS cells compared to the 8 UVLM of the P17B. However, we do have better sensors with the MF-STAR. I really hope they remove the RBU-6000 and replace it with more VLS cells.My bad, that 300M overshoot is for the first ship alone, totalling over 1.3B USD. Rest assured it will keep increasing before it enters service. And idk how it's "better equipped" with that tiny rotary radar. More missiles? Thats 24 Mk41 and 48 CAMM, numbers are just for an SRSAM. P17B is coming with VL-SRSAM and an ATAS from the get go, 32 LR-SAM combined with 8 UVLM and 16 VL-SRSAM, that is a well equipped ship. 10k cr? Yeah, it's construction will start 10 years after the first type 26 was laid, inflation catches up with everybody.
With the USVs threat, I think RBU6000 is a good and cheap system.RBU-6000
Yes, MT30 is better than LM2500, but we have 2 for their 1. What's better is that they have 2 big electric motors on type 26 for CODLOG.It's better equipped with the MT30, 127mm main gun, and 24 Mk41 VLS cells compared to the 8 UVLM of the P17B.
The 6m array is unlikely to be fitted on the frigate, hopefully they are using modules to make that so it can be scaled down. Or else we'll have to stack '3-4 Arudhra' to make 1 face. The probability of these ships getting an indigenous MFR is high, supposed to be laid after 2027.Is there any hope of getting an indigenous replacement for the MF-STAR for these ships?