Small Arms & Tactical Equipment

[Parthu]

NSG finally got High-cut helmets...been waiting for a long time for this. Looks like Ops-Core FAST, not sure. Now, like the half-dozen other units with high-cut helmets in the country, NSG just needs to get the around-ear tactical comm headsets to go with them.

Pics from a joint exercise between NSG and CISF units:

 

[Parthu]

NSG and CISF joint multi agency mock exercise on armed attack CISF Unit ONGC Hazira involving all stakeholders; NSG, BDDS team & Local administration. Pic credit "Unknowncommando" from Other Forum. Do follow his twitter page, excellent stuff. NSG seem to have some new HCBH, not sire who makes them. Also notice comms. gear, unfortunately no ear protection yet.
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Lol, I posted the same at the same time

 

[Gautam]

Lol, I posted the same at the same time

Nah, I beat you by a minute. I win.

 

[GuardianRED]

NSG finally got High-cut helmets...been waiting for a long time for this. Looks like Ops-Core FAST, not sure. Now, like the half-dozen other units with high-cut helmets in the country, NSG just needs to get the around-ear tactical comm headsets to go with them.

Pics from a joint exercise between NSG and CISF units:

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and @Gautam

Not sure im like the Camo on the CISF.

 

[Gautam]

Some old photos of ballistic jackets from DefExpo-2016, I think. Credit on pic
Firstly from MKU :

And now from TATA AML :

The grey one from TATA is my personal favorite. We had modern ballistic jacket manufactured in country since before 2016. Still we ended up picking the single worst piece of kit that I have ever seen in my life from SMPP and guess what even they have better jackets than the one we are buying. Things like these make me question the knowledge base of our decision makers.

 

[Parthu]

We had modern ballistic jacket manufactured in country since before 2016. Still we ended up picking the single worst piece of kit that I have ever seen in my life from SMPP

Don't blame SM group... They're just the production contractor. The vest was designed & engineered by DRDO labs as per Army GSQR. After that production was outsourced to SMPP.

If it were upto me, I'd just take the GSQR-compliant armor plates from this vest and put them in a MKU or TAML vest.

Things like these make me question the knowledge base of our decision makers.

Agreed on that. The people that make the call on bulk purchases for the Army in my opinion are certainly not up to task with regard to keeping up with innovations in the industry and selecting the best kit for the money.

 

[Gautam]

and @Gautam

Not sure im like the Camo on the CISF.

You don't like their camo you say, well sir might I request you to join the line. CISF stands for Central Industrial Security Force. Industries, critical infrastructure, airports, critical machinery etc. that's what they are supposed to protect. Which of the things that they are going to protect has a lot of plants/leaves ? Yet they choose to use a camo that's a curious mix of dry forests and leafy colours/patterns. I am sure they can completely camouflage themselves among the maze of pipes in the ONGC hazira plant. I mean what the heck are you thinking ?

 

[Gautam]

and @Gautam

Not sure im like the Camo on the CISF.

You don't like their camo you say, well sir might I request you to join the line. CISF stands for Central Industrial Security Force. Industries, critical infrastructure, airports, critical machinery etc. that's what they are supposed to protect. Which of the things that they are going to protect has a lot of plants/leaves ? Yet they choose to use a camo that's a curious mix of dry forests and leafy colours/patterns. I am sure they can completely camouflage themselves among the maze of pipes in the ONGC hazira plant. I mean what the heck are you thinking ?

 

[Milspec]

You don't like their camo you say, well sir might I request you to join the line. CISF stands for Central Industrial Security Force. Industries, critical infrastructure, airports, critical machinery etc. that's what they are supposed to protect. Which of the things that they are going to protect has a lot of plants/leaves ? Yet they choose to use a camo that's a curious mix of dry forests and leafy colours/patterns. I am sure they can completely camouflage themselves among the maze of pipes in the ONGC hazira plant. I mean what the heck are you thinking ?

Best camo to me for CISF would be to wear civilian clothes, blend right in to railway stations and airports.

 

[Gautam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1107628458425966598

What sniper rifle is that ?

 

[Parthu]

What sniper rifle is that ?

Steyr SSG 08

 

[GuardianRED]

You don't like their camo you say, well sir might I request you to join the line. CISF stands for Central Industrial Security Force. Industries, critical infrastructure, airports, critical machinery etc. that's what they are supposed to protect. Which of the things that they are going to protect has a lot of plants/leaves ? Yet they choose to use a camo that's a curious mix of dry forests and leafy colours/patterns. I am sure they can completely camouflage themselves among the maze of pipes in the ONGC hazira plant. I mean what the heck are you thinking ?

Yes i was thinking that the Central Industrial Security Force (Yes I know what it stand for) Being the best equipped and trained among all of the CAPF (in case you do know that this stand for - Central Armed Police Forces) has started to wear this type of pattern for the pass year when before that - they had a plain khaki uniforms - SHOULD have done in for a more Urban Camo pattern - better suited to their environment !!!

Oh What was i thinking???!

 

[Gautam]

Yes i was thinking that the Central Industrial Security Force (Yes I know what it stand for) Being the best equipped and trained among all of the CAPF (in case you do know that this stand for - Central Armed Police Forces) has started to wear this type of pattern for the pass year when before that - they had a plain khaki uniforms - SHOULD have done in for a more Urban Camo pattern - better suited to their environment !!!

Oh What was i thinking???!

I think you took offense to my "What the heck were you thinking ?". Just so you know "you" here is for whoever decided to pick that camo for CISF, not you who asked me a question. I apologize if I came off as offensive, but in my defence by browser was really acting up last night. Which is why I ended up posting two same post instead of one.

I would rather as @Milspec said go with civilian clothing. Or they could just look at some of their global counterparts, like say the British Transport Police :

Standard Uniform
High visibility vests to ensure people can easily recognize and reach out to them.

Combat Uniform.

Is this what you had in mind when you said Urban Camo pattern ?

 

[Parthu]

I would rather as @Milspec said go with civilian clothing. Or they could just look at some of their global counterparts, like say the British Transport Police :
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The Indian counterpart to the BTS would be the Railway Protection Force (RPF), rather than any CAPFs. The RPF comes directly under the Railway Ministry. Yes, for them high-visibility uniforms could be useful - although, in my opinion, their current Khaki is pretty fine as its pretty ingrained in the Indian public that Khaki = Police.

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Combat Uniform.

Is this what you had in mind when you said Urban Camo pattern ?

I believe he meant something along the lines of UCP - as used by various services in India, with the most recent adopter being the CRPF's newly formed VIP Security Group -

They've also been seen with another pattern which had a hint of Arid colors -

Although, if you ask me, any kind of camouflague is simply not necessary for the CISF. A plain black/navy blue TDU is enough. Such as this G3 apparel from Crye Precision (off-brand ones will also be available for much cheaper):

^^ These quarter-zip shirts are useful for forces who plan on wearing tactical vests. The material in the torso area is made light & breathable as its meant to be covered by the plate/load carrier and its gets suffocating in humid conditions after prolonged usage, whereas the material on the arms and shoulders is very tough and tear-resistant. NSG and Para SFs have already started adopting a few such shirts (even regular Army troops here and there).

I would think, that the same type of clothing, but in Khaki or Coyote Tan, would also cover all needs for CISF even in some of the more arid regions of the country:

 

[Gautam]

The Indian counterpart to the BTS would be the Railway Protection Force (RPF), rather than any CAPFs.

Interesting. Who does their airport/critical infra protection ? Since the name has a "transport" in it, I thought it was them.

I believe he meant something along the lines of UCP - as used by various services in India, with the most recent adopter being the CRPF's newly formed VIP Security Group -

Whoa ! never seen them before. That pattern will be very useful for urban combat, no doubt. Very cool stuff.

NSG and Para SFs have already started adopting a few such shirts (even regular Army troops here and there).

Can I ask for a few pics of the Paras and regulars ? I've seen NSG with it.

I would think, that the same type of clothing, but in Khaki or Coyote Tan, would also cover all needs for CISF even in some of the more arid regions of the country

Totally agree here.

 

[Parthu]

Interesting. Who does their airport/critical infra protection ? Since the name has a "transport" in it, I thought it was them.

Not aware of the specifics, but there are special departments within the Police force for Airport security. BTS is only for Railways.

never seen them before.

Really? It used to be the standard camouflague pattern for US Army not too long ago, it wasn't particularly great for the Arid regions (Iraq, Afghanistan) were US troops mostly saw combat so it fell out of favour and was replaced by Multicam, which remains in use now.

UCP (known as ACU, its Army designation):

Multicam (known as OCP or the newer Scorpion W2 variant):

I personally love the Multicam a lot. In fact I'd like it if we adopt it as our Army's standard camo for all CI/CT troops operating in J&K, North-East as well as the standard-issue uniform for the Army across Northern, Central, Southern, Eastern & Training Commands. The troops in the Arid regions of Western & South-Western Commands (Punjab, Rajasthan area) ought to get the Multicam Arid variant:

Can I ask for a few pics of the Paras and regulars ? I've seen NSG with it.

I used to have more but this is what I can dig up at the moment...

Para -

Regulars -

 

[GuardianRED]

I think you took offense to my "What the heck were you thinking ?". Just so you know "you" here is for whoever decided to pick that camo for CISF, not you who asked me a question. I apologize if I came off as offensive, but in my defence by browser was really acting up last night. Which is why I ended up posting two same post instead of one.

I would rather as @Milspec said go with civilian clothing. Or they could just look at some of their global counterparts, like say the British Transport Police :
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Standard Uniform
High visibility vests to ensure people can easily recognize and reach out to them.
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Combat Uniform.

Is this what you had in mind when you said Urban Camo pattern ?

My Bad dude to trying to chew u! Don't have my morning Coffee (not a joke, i really didn't)

But Yes - Like our Friend @Parthu posted regarding the Urban Camo is exactly what im talking abt. BUT his suggestion of all Blue TDU is great- reminds me of the Gurkha Contingent of the Singapore Police

 

[Gautam]

My Bad dude to trying to chew u! Don't have my morning Coffee (not a joke, i really didn't)

Its all good, man. But for safety reasons, in future discourses, I would prefer you get on the Internet after a cuppa coffee.

Gurkha Contingent of the Singapore Police

Wait what ?? There is a Gurkha contingent in Singapore ? That too in the Police ? How long has that been going on ? Do they have a Gurkha military unit ?

 

[Gautam]

Indian Army Special Forces to get American assault rifles, parachutes
Looks like more SCAR-H/L are coming to SPG.
What guns are we buying from US ? SIGs ? M4A1s ?
@Parthu @Milspec

 

[GuardianRED]

Its all good, man. But for safety reasons, in future discourses, I would prefer you get on the Internet after a cuppa coffee.

Wait what ?? There is a Gurkha contingent in Singapore ? That too in the Police ? How long has that been going on ? Do they have a Gurkha military unit ?

As far as i have researched -The Gurkha Contingent mandate is only for Internal Security - hence with the Police - NO Military unit

Do read up on the history of the Gurkhas - interesting read (Note The regiment called Gorkhas in the IA, a difference in pronunciation and spelling )