Small Arms & Tactical Equipment
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Direct order from US DoD ? Then it has to be a weapon in service with the US military(US military armory) and it has to be in a calibre we already use. Again what gun ?
Colt M4A1 : Highly likely, we do use them in limited quantity.
H&K 416 : Nah, not happening. HK's got a ban on us and what not.
SCAR-H/L : Possible but unlikely, SG and SPG use them
did I miss any ?
Do the Americans use the MCX in their military. Correct me if I am wrong but a direct order from DoD would seem to indicate we are going to buy weapons not from vendors but from US armory. If the US don't use MCX then DoD won't be selling it as well, right ? NSG recently got some MCX for testing/limited service, we don't even know if the NSG would use the MCX more widely.
Its totally my opinion but I think its a bit far fetched to think it will be the MCX that we're buying. It will probably be something in the 5.56*45 NATO calibre. Again just my opinion, feel free to state your POV as to why you think its the MCX.
No, it means it's a direct Govt to Govt deal (where the Defence Ministries or equivalents interact directly under FMS framework), it doesn't mean we're buying from US military stocks.
That was the MPX 9x19 submachine gun. MCX is an assault rifle/carbine in 5.56x45. Entirely different guns.
As the article mentions no manufacturer, it's useless to speculate as there are countless models that could possibly be on offer. However, if we're smart, we will buy a piston-driven AR-15-based rifle as a replacement for our direct impingement M4A1s. A quick google search will let you know the differences between the two and the advantage of a piston rifle in terms of reliability.
A while ago, I made a post going over a few rifles in that category which I thought would be a good replacement for the Colt M4A1s - Post #338 here: Small Arms & Tactical Equipment - Of course, that was at a time when I didn't know that we would be out looking for a new US rifle for the SFs.
OK, so a lot like the Rafale deal ?
Confused MPX with MCX.
I did my little "research" a few years back. Came to the conclusion that a short stroke piston rifle would be ideal fit for almost any job. As I understand it was the HK 416 that kicked off the whole thing, being the first short stroke piston rifle to see worldwide military usage.
I did read that post. Very interesting compilation, must say. To me it seems of all the guns from the post #338 the ones that are likely to see service in India will be either the Sigs or the LMT or maybe both. LMT as you pointed out has domestic manufacturing tie up. Sigs on the other hand are the most successful US gun maker in India.
Although small company, but this is unique little rifle. AR15 in a Long Stroke Piston Variant.
Faxon ARAK
Faxon ARAK
I like the new camo of the Army. I don't like the fact that it doesn't have integrated knee/elbow pads. Also the colour of the Tactical vest doesn't go with that of the camo.
Which means OFB R2 indeed costs 10,000 rupees or $~140 MORE than SIG 716G2.
The Ishapore GM will excuse me while I go over to the side and have a hearty laugh.
Yes...which means the BRAVO series optics from SIG may have been included (any magnifier is really expensive piece of kit, and a 4x SIG magnifier retails for almost $1200 MSRP!) -
By the way, the exact configuration you showed above (Trijicon ACOG with RMR) is used by the Special Protection Group's Counter Assault Teams on their new SCAR-Hs....
Nowadays not hard to find a lot of US Marines toting this combination.
I viewed our SMPP vest as more or less an analogue to the US Army's Improved Outer Tactical Vest (IOTV), standard issue as of today, the ergonomics & design of both seem somewhat similar, and the all-up weight of approx ~10kgs (to include the neck & groin SAP panels) is similar as well.
Ofcourse our's lacks shoulder panels (hope we add them later, as per need).
Hope we incorporate Molle in later production batches of the SMPP vest at least - still not happy though, it should've been there from the start. If regular Molle is presenting any problems with regard to unwanted snagging or otherwise, then go with the more modern laser-cut Molle, already on offer by MKU -
All the same advantages of Molle, but inverse. Slightly reduces weight and material usage as well (same principle as P-rail vs M-LOK/KeyMod).
At around what ranges will the new SMPP be able to stop AK bullets?Any idea?
Any real big leap you see in the russian ratnik armours?
The HAPs in the front & back can protect against AK rounds at 10m distance.
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/IITM/29______BPJ.pdf
Don't know anything about that.
When will the 41,000 LMG order be signed?
Not a fan of the current INSAS LMG,need the NEGEV.
PKM rocks for Medium machine gun/general purpose.
Not a fan of the current INSAS LMG,need the NEGEV.
PKM rocks for Medium machine gun/general purpose.
Who knows?
The PKM/PKT (known as "Pika") is not used by our infantry, only small numbers by Special Forces (mainly Paras. Garuds on the other hand prefer the Negev as a SAW). The infantry are issued MAG 2A1 (locally made FN MAG), usually seen in a stationary tripod-mounted version (no stock) as their MMG.
In the interest of commonality wrt ammunition to as much extent as possible, I would not want anything but a 7.62x51mm weapon to serve as MMG in future. However, with squad-level MG gunners set to receive "LMGs" in the same calibre, I believe the utility of MMGs will reduce considerably. In any case, get your 7.62x51 "LMG" on a bipod in a static position - it'll do everything the MMGs of today can, and more.
Perhaps we can adopt a version of our future LMGs (whatever they may be, I'm guessing Negev NG7 in fast-track and OFB MAG-based LMG for MII order) with a heavier barrel and use the same at MMG posts as well. Or we can simply swap out the top covers on our MAG 2A1s for ones with P-rails (can be taken from the new OFB LMG I would presume), in order to attach a 4x or 6x optic on existing MMGs, and see their effectiveness increase manifold. The MAG is a great design, has LOT of decades left to go before they need replacement.
Machine Guns of this ilk (heavy, mostly or entirely used in a stationary post) don't need to be changed very frequently at all. The world still uses MGs like the Browning M2 designed before WW2 and they remain just as effective, infact more so, as modern technologies improve their metallurgy, accuracy & reliability. But the basic design does not change - it need not.
Either way, adopting the Pikka or Pecheneg or any modern Russian GPMG as standard-issue weapon should be out of the question, we'd rather not have an MG shooting the totally different 7.62x54mmR round, which, after the SVDs are retired, no one in the regular Army will use.
Who knows?
The PKM/PKT (known as "Pika") is not used by our infantry, only small numbers by Special Forces (mainly Paras. Garuds on the other hand prefer the Negev as a SAW). The infantry are issued MAG 2A1 (locally made FN MAG), usually seen in a stationary tripod-mounted version (no stock) as their MMG.
In the interest of commonality wrt ammunition to as much extent as possible, I would not want anything but a 7.62x51mm weapon to serve as MMG in future. However, with squad-level MG gunners set to receive "LMGs" in the same calibre, I believe the utility of MMGs will reduce considerably. In any case, get your 7.62x51 "LMG" on a bipod in a static position - it'll do everything the MMGs of today can, and more.
Perhaps we can adopt a version of our future LMGs (whatever they may be, I'm guessing Negev NG7 in fast-track and OFB MAG-based LMG for MII order) with a heavier barrel and use the same at MMG posts as well. Or we can simply swap out the top covers on our MAG 2A1s for ones with P-rails (can be taken from the new OFB LMG I would presume), in order to attach a 4x or 6x optic on existing MMGs, and see their effectiveness increase manifold. The MAG is a great design, has LOT of decades left to go before they need replacement.
Machine Guns of this ilk (heavy, mostly or entirely used in a stationary post) don't need to be changed very frequently at all. The world still uses MGs like the Browning M2 designed before WW2 and they remain just as effective, infact more so, as modern technologies improve their metallurgy, accuracy & reliability. But the basic design does not change - it need not.
Either way, adopting the Pikka or Pecheneg or any modern Russian GPMG as standard-issue weapon should be out of the question, we'd rather not have an MG shooting the totally different 7.62x54mmR round, which, after the SVDs are retired, no one in the regular Army will use.
This is my favourite choice as well.
Still love the PKM though,best GPMG overall perhaps.
