Small Arms & Tactical Equipment
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P_K on D. F. I. :
This bullpup INSAS rifle is not from OFB as being claimed.
This prototype was made by Indian Army’s Infantry School and College of Military Engineering.
Another picture :
Pic credit : https://www.aviation-defence-univer...etween-all-stakeholders-for-indian-mods-idex/
One more from D. F. I. :
Is that a model of the gun on the poster behind ? Wish we had a better pic of that poster.
Is that a model of the gun on the poster behind ? Wish we had a better pic of that poster.
If you look closely at the poster it does say "OT-14 Groza bullpup". Maybe its a design inspiration, after all the INSAS was AK inspired too. So its not really surprising that a bullpup INSAS would be bullpup AK inspired.
Really need to find a good pic of that poster.
Credits to "ezsasa" on D. F. I. :
Garuds are buying 60 Round Drum Magazines for Tavors.
IA has released supplementary sniper rifle requirement from 6000 & 1800(with silencer and scope) & 27 lakh ammo.
I hope SSS is ready with their product.
(a) Calibre. 0.338 inch (8.6 mm).
(b) Ammunition. 338 inch (8.6mm) ammunition.
(c) Effective Range. Not less than 1200 metres.
(d) Accuracy. < 1 MoA.
(e) Service Life. 10 years/ 5000 rounds whichever is earlier.
(f) Weight (with Bipod, Empty Magazine and Telescopic Sight). Not more than 9 kgs + 10%.
(g) Overall Length (incl Flash Suppressor / Muzzle Brake). Not more than 1250mm + 10%.
(h) Telescopic Day Sight. The Sniper Rifle must be provided with a Telescopic Sight mountable on Picatinny Rails and following characteristics:-
(i) Variable Magnification. Not less than 12X.
(ii) Field of View. Minimum four degrees.
(iii) The Range Estimation should not be less than 1300 m.
Garuds are buying 60 Round Drum Magazines for Tavors.
IA has released supplementary sniper rifle requirement from 6000 & 1800(with silencer and scope) & 27 lakh ammo.
I hope SSS is ready with their product.
(a) Calibre. 0.338 inch (8.6 mm).
(b) Ammunition. 338 inch (8.6mm) ammunition.
(c) Effective Range. Not less than 1200 metres.
(d) Accuracy. < 1 MoA.
(e) Service Life. 10 years/ 5000 rounds whichever is earlier.
(f) Weight (with Bipod, Empty Magazine and Telescopic Sight). Not more than 9 kgs + 10%.
(g) Overall Length (incl Flash Suppressor / Muzzle Brake). Not more than 1250mm + 10%.
(h) Telescopic Day Sight. The Sniper Rifle must be provided with a Telescopic Sight mountable on Picatinny Rails and following characteristics:-
(i) Variable Magnification. Not less than 12X.
(ii) Field of View. Minimum four degrees.
(iii) The Range Estimation should not be less than 1300 m.
What is the logic behind this?? Won't it be better to simply get it from the OEM rather than going thru a tender process?
The contract for sniper rifles must be awarded to SSS defence. SSS defence sniper rifles were tested in America and passed with flying colors. There is no need to look for an imported sniper rifle if we are getting the same indigenous tech at a much lower cost.
The Tavor TAR21 was designed from the ground up to accept the American designed, NATO standardised STANAG 4179 magazines. As such it can use the magazines of say the Colt M4A1 SOPMOD and vice versa. In fact when the IWI company first pitched the Tavor TAR21 to the Army SF this was something they put great emphasis on. The PARA SF already had M4s in their use at that time and they could use the TAR21 without the need for any new magazines.
So now when the user puts out a RFI for drum magazines for the Tavor it is understood that the mag dimensions are to be the compliant to STANAG 4179 dimensions in the magazine well insertion/locking interface. As to who you buy a mag from doesn't matter as the dimensions are well known and has a large industry catering to that requirement. It also expands our options and helps us avoid a single vendor situation.
I would like SSS defence to win too. If not for quality alone, they should win because of the fact that they dared to enter a field(small arms) where the OFB has a virtual monopoly.
I know Army was involved with their rifle testing to some capacity, including the PARAs. I don't know to what degree they were involved. Do you have anything that shows them testing their rifles in the US ? I know they have tied up with the LMT Defence but anything else than that ?
They may have tied with LMT defence but they hold IP rights for the product. And the problem with going with foreign manufacturers is that most companies do not manufacture the ammunition. Then it becomes a big headache sourcing the ammunition. SSS defence has tied up with a Brazilian ammunition maker(the 2nd largest ammunition maker in the world) to manufacture .308 and .338 rounds and come 2021, these rounds would be made in India. Thus this will enable us a virtual unlimited supply of sniper rounds.
I have a bad feeling that OFB *censored*s and the import lobby is going to lobby against SSS defence as SSS defence has high chances of winning the sniper rifles contract.
I know all that. I was asking about the "tested in America" part. Any sources on that ?
Lobbying power is reduced substantially if they have no competing product. As far as I know, none of the OFBs have anything in the 0.338 Lapua Magnum chamber. Nothing they make can comply with the technical requirements of the RFI.
Tonbo Imaging's Binocular Night Vision Device-Panaromic(BNVD-P). This piece of hardware along with a good gun and a IR laser sight can change the face of Night fighting for Indian forces. It has been in the works for a while now, let's hope we see it in service soon :
Bangalore: In a 1st, Bengaluru firm designs, develops two sniper rifles | India News - Times of India
Here you go. Around midway through the article it is mentioned that the sniper rifles have been tested in US.
Will the Ak-203 supplied to our soilders come with any red dot, holograhic sights?
I must've missed it. Thank you.
So far we've been using :Will the Ak-203 supplied to our soilders come with any red dot, holograhic sights?
FALKE-LE :
Aimpoint CompM4 :
ADTL's LPVO on our FAB Defence modified AKs :
We will probably continue using them on the AK-203s. I don't think we are buying any Russian optics. Although the MARCOS use some Russian optics and ITL MARS sights on their AKs.
Wildcraft India bags a deal to make rucksacks for the Indian Army
By Smita Balram, ET Bureau, Nov 14, 2019, 07.36 PM IST
Pic: A Widcraft India made rucksack.(for representational purposes)
BENGALURU: Outdoor gear and trek-travel apparel firm Wildcraft India, which counts Sequoia Capital and Flipkart Group as some of its investors, has bagged an order from the defence ministry to make rucksacks for the Indian army. The Bengaluru-based company, known for selling rucksacks and bag packs, was in talks with the ministry for the last five years.
“We have bagged a multi-million dollar order from the Ministry of Defence to make rucksacks for the Indian army. It is an unchartered territory but creating an ideal rucksack for an Indian jawaan who spends maximum time outdoors in challenging terrain will be good learning. The order will be executed next year,” said Siddharth Sood, cofounder of Wildcraft India, at a press meet to announce the launch of a new category of travel cases.
Wildcraft has ventured into the trolleys market driven by increasing outbound tourism and short haul travel by the rising population of young travellers in India.
“Our estimate is that the organised travel bag industry is about USD 2 billion in India, increasing at 7-10% CAGR. Outbound tourism is growing at a similar CAGR. Indian travellers are one of the highest spenders who like to equip themselves well before a journey,” said Sood.
The outdoor gear firm started its operations 12 years ago with a line of rucksacks and bagpacks which continues to account for the majority of irs earnings. Four years ago, the brand introduced clothing and specialised footwear which it retails through an omni-channel format.
Wildcraft clocked Rs 650 crore sales by growing 15% during the year ended March 2019. Tepid demand in certain markets and liquidity issues on the distribution side were cited as reasons as the company failed to meet the expected 20% growth. The founders, however, found the sluggish market the best time to launch a value-proposition product in trolleys which will compete with Samsonite and VIP Industries. With the launch of the trolley category, Wildcraft is looking to increase its CAGR from 20% to 25% by the end of this fiscal.
About 40% of the company’s revenue comes from the southern states of the country. Two years ago, Wildcraft expanded overseas to the Middle-East market which currently accounts for nearly 5% of its earnings.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...-for-the-indian-army/articleshow/72057970.cms
By Smita Balram, ET Bureau, Nov 14, 2019, 07.36 PM IST
Pic: A Widcraft India made rucksack.(for representational purposes)
BENGALURU: Outdoor gear and trek-travel apparel firm Wildcraft India, which counts Sequoia Capital and Flipkart Group as some of its investors, has bagged an order from the defence ministry to make rucksacks for the Indian army. The Bengaluru-based company, known for selling rucksacks and bag packs, was in talks with the ministry for the last five years.
“We have bagged a multi-million dollar order from the Ministry of Defence to make rucksacks for the Indian army. It is an unchartered territory but creating an ideal rucksack for an Indian jawaan who spends maximum time outdoors in challenging terrain will be good learning. The order will be executed next year,” said Siddharth Sood, cofounder of Wildcraft India, at a press meet to announce the launch of a new category of travel cases.
Wildcraft has ventured into the trolleys market driven by increasing outbound tourism and short haul travel by the rising population of young travellers in India.
“Our estimate is that the organised travel bag industry is about USD 2 billion in India, increasing at 7-10% CAGR. Outbound tourism is growing at a similar CAGR. Indian travellers are one of the highest spenders who like to equip themselves well before a journey,” said Sood.
The outdoor gear firm started its operations 12 years ago with a line of rucksacks and bagpacks which continues to account for the majority of irs earnings. Four years ago, the brand introduced clothing and specialised footwear which it retails through an omni-channel format.
Wildcraft clocked Rs 650 crore sales by growing 15% during the year ended March 2019. Tepid demand in certain markets and liquidity issues on the distribution side were cited as reasons as the company failed to meet the expected 20% growth. The founders, however, found the sluggish market the best time to launch a value-proposition product in trolleys which will compete with Samsonite and VIP Industries. With the launch of the trolley category, Wildcraft is looking to increase its CAGR from 20% to 25% by the end of this fiscal.
About 40% of the company’s revenue comes from the southern states of the country. Two years ago, Wildcraft expanded overseas to the Middle-East market which currently accounts for nearly 5% of its earnings.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...-for-the-indian-army/articleshow/72057970.cms
About 2 years ago, I wondered on the old forum that mayhaps a Tavor with a 60-round drum could be an idea worth exploring -
@Falcon probably remembers
One of the two SSS Defence sniper scope. Don't know about the specs. You can see a front adjustable objective, magnification adjustment dial just behind the rear mounting ring, there might also be a illumination ring at the rear but its not clear from this image. The mid-set turret usually houses the elevation, parallax and windage dials. What is the rear set dial then ? It looks like you need a flat edge like a coin to make the adjustments on that. Any ideas ? @Milspec @Parthu et al.
This pic has been posted before. This a better quality version of it :
The label is incorrect though, its a sound suppressor not a flash suppressor. Although a sound suppressor would do the job of flash suppressor too, but the reverse is not true. This rifle is an early prototype, notice the lack of a monolithic top rail which the current model rifles have. The optics is not theirs, maybe Steiner made.