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Golden Helmet is just a dogfighting competition, it's worthless from PoV of combat. Red Flag is something else entirely. We don't have the scale that the Americans do, but we have such exercises regularly.

Anyway, what the Golden Helmet symbolises, the IAF has been doing since the 1930s. PLAAF has only recently reformed itself to modern combat techniques
The Golden Helmet is a 2V2 free air combat, and of course, the Chinese Air Force has five major brand exercises. As an enemy of China, you can check and find out that together, it is equivalent to the US Red Flag. As for India, no one knows if there is one, it's not just what you say
IAF has been operating EL/M-8222 and KNIRTI even before Chinese institutes mastered copying Soviet flanker designs
China's first J11B began its test flight in 2001, when India did not even have an SU30MKI, let alone an Israeli jammer,
 
Yes, the basic design is of Su-30. Chinese reduced weight and RCS by using CFC. It also has more powerful WS-10 engines, AESA radar, QWIP IRST. These things make it the most advance Flanker derivative till date. But to say that J-16 has nothing to do with Su-30(when the basic planform is the same) is downright laughable
The basic design of J-16 is J-11BS, and China has not replicated the su-30. Just take a look at the vertical tail shape, and China does not need to repeat the design of SU-27
 
Let's talk about the DA-20 issue first. I have a public speech from an Indian who admitted that the IAF has received serious electronic interference.
There are public reports from Indian media here, which also provide a detailed description of the situation at that time. However, you only mentioned that Su 30 could communicate without saying whether there was any interference
You see, indian media is free. They can write what ever they like. A concept that you might not understand.

DA-20 is older than chinese economic liberalisation. Its just a support aircraft that was in the air at that time. An attacker can have that luxury. In no way it effected the result.

Quora really? please dont add tiktok next time.

Force article is written by a pakistani. That magazine exist for propaganda like this. Something like RT in USA.
 
We've had all those for decades.

In fact, India has some of the best EW technologies available globally, which we do not export. It was amongst the first technologies we indigenised successfully.

We have Israeli and American equivalents of WZ-7. But it's not very important during war
You don't need to deceive yourself. The Indian Air Force support system is quite outdated. In 2020, the P-8 was directly dispatched to the Himalayas to meet the shortage of high-performance synthetic aperture radar. The West of the WZ-7 is similar to only having a Global Hawk drone
 
You don't need to deceive yourself. The Indian Air Force support system is quite outdated. In 2020, the P-8 was directly dispatched to the Himalayas to meet the shortage of high-performance synthetic aperture radar. The West of the WZ-7 is similar to only having a Global Hawk drone
Wait, did you just confuse SAR with EW systems ? :LOL:
 
You see, indian media is free. They can write what ever they like. A concept that you might not understand.

DA-20 is older than chinese economic liberalisation. Its just a support aircraft that was in the air at that time. An attacker can have that luxury. In no way it effected the result.

Quora really? please dont add tiktok next time.

Force article is written by a pakistani. That magazine exist for propaganda like this. Something like RT in USA.

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The DA-20 is an old aircraft, but China has installed a communication countermeasure system on it. The second image is a screenshot of India's defense review website
Wait, did you just confuse SAR with EW systems ? :LOL:
EW is a part of the Air Force Support System, and I am just giving an example to illustrate the lack of Air Force support from IAF
 
So I quote a report from India's famous Print
Can you read english. Does that report say anything of significance about DA-20 as you claim? Sameer joshi is just explaining what happened.

Try to be consistent with arguments.

EW is a part of the Air Force Support System, and I am just giving an example to illustrate the lack of Air Force support from IAF
What does P8I using SAR prove about EW of IAF sweetie?
 
The basic design of J-16 is J-11BS, and China has not replicated the su-30. Just take a look at the vertical tail shape, and China does not need to repeat the design of SU-27
All of them are Flanker derivatives, so basically Russian/Soviet design. No amount of your propaganda will ever change that fact.
 
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Let's talk about the DA-20 issue first. I have a public speech from an Indian who admitted that the IAF has received serious electronic interference.

Was it Pravin Sawhney? We consider him to be sold out to foreign powers.

Whatever the Pakistanis claimed to have done, they failed in pretty much every metric.

There are public reports from Indian media here, which also provide a detailed description of the situation at that time. However, you only mentioned that Su 30 could communicate without saying whether there was any interference

In the video you linked, our ACM says Pakistan has realised it doesn't conventionally match India in the air.
The Golden Helmet is a 2V2 free air combat, and of course, the Chinese Air Force has five major brand exercises. As an enemy of China, you can check and find out that together, it is equivalent to the US Red Flag. As for India, no one knows if there is one, it's not just what you say

The IAF doesn't publicise exercises.

Showing off is the exclusive domain of authoritarian states.

We have conducted far more complex exercises than Red Flag though, like Gaganshakti, which involved the entire air force.
 
You don't need to deceive yourself. The Indian Air Force support system is quite outdated. In 2020, the P-8 was directly dispatched to the Himalayas to meet the shortage of high-performance synthetic aperture radar. The West of the WZ-7 is similar to only having a Global Hawk drone

The P-8 is meant for such use in the first place.

Anyway, here's a hint about what we already have:

You are talking about a lot of things the IAF likes to keep secret. Do you know the IAF is pretty much the first major air force to have fully digitised its communication systems? Even NATO is yet to begin the process. Russia definitely has not. And it's unlikely China has achieved the same either.

The idea behind a WZ-7 class design is not just surveillance, it's about global reach, which the Global Hawk has, but not the WZ-7. But what it actually does is the same as any prop-driven UAV with the same payload. Plus it's not survivable during wartime, it's just a cheaper method of surveillance than a crewed aircraft today. If you have something like the RQ-180, then that would be more impressive.
 
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The DA-20 is an old aircraft, but China has installed a communication countermeasure system on it. The second image is a screenshot of India's defense review website

Fake news. The SDRs were purchased before the action in Balakot. It was part of a development and procurement process dating back to 2013.

Look at the date: Feb 19th, 2019. Balakot happened on the 26th.
At a ceremony earlier today (February 20, 2019) at the 2019 Aero India defense exhibition in Bengaluru, India...

In 2017, Rafael was awarded a contract to supply the BNet advanced Software-Defined Radios (SDR) to the Indian Air Force (IAF).


So , do you believe we anticipated Balakot in 2017?

You are so used to believing media in China due to its filtration system that you don't realise most media in democracies is fake.

The IAF has said very little about the Balakot strikes itself, like the true number of targets attacked in multiple towns. And they have revealed very little about the skirmish as well, 'cause even in the video you posted the ACM says it doesn't make sense to talk about it publicly. But what the IAF has revealed, based on that info alone, the PAF was ridiculously outmatched even when they had the advantage. Also, we know for a fact that the PAF withdrew completely from the Kashmiri airspace from the 27th onwards, while the IA artillery bombed PA positions across the LoC cued by UAVs flying inside Pakistan.
 

Rafale and Viper the masters of the "CHARIOTEER": French fighter "game changer" leaders and upgraded "Vipers" in air to air battles​


The AESA electronically scanned radars of both the Rafale (RBE2 AA) and the F-16 Viper (APG-83) seem to outperform all others


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The monstrous Indian Su-30MK I and the almost similarly sized impressive F-15s of the Royal Saudi Air Force may have attracted all eyes in the great multinational exercise "INIOHOS 23", but the masters of the skies so far seem to be the French Rafale fighters of our Air Force and Armee D'el Air as well as the upgraded F-16 Viper of HAF.

Their powerful radars and electronic jamming systems combined with the weapons they carry give them, as already shown in the first days of the exercise, a significant advantage in air to air combat over very powerful opponents. And even unknown in some cases, such as the SU-30 MK I of the Indian Air Force, which for the first time not only participate in a "CHARIOTEER" but are co-trained with Greek fighters.

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The AESA electronically scanned radars of both the Rafale (RBE2 AA) and the F-16 Viper (APG-83) seem to outperform all the others and "read" positions at much greater distances targeting faster and with great accuracy. Especially the Rafale with the powerful A/A Meteor in their arsenal seem to have a huge advantage since they go much further than any other fighter projectile.

However, the results of the self-protection and jamming systems of the two fighters seem to be impressive, with the Spectra of the Rafale and the Aspis II of the Viper creating a very difficult electronic warfare environment for any enemy fighter.

Although the Air Force has been flying with Rafale for less than a year and a half and with Viper for only a few months, the results of the superiority of the two aircraft fully satisfy the Air Staff. As he sees that he now has in his "quiver" two state-of-the-art war "machines" which in the hands of Greek pilots perform excellently. And as long as the Rafale and Viper are operationally integrated, the results will seal the dominance of the "blue" wings, Air Force officials estimate.

Rafale

The exercise during its first week has exceeded all expectations as, apart from the excellent climate and the immediate integration of the "new", the fact that eight different types of fighters with distinctive characteristics take part gives KEAT the opportunity to design complex high-difficulty scenarios. No one knows how the missions will unfold as all the airmen exhaust every possibility of the aircraft and only profit is the result.
Characteristic is the huge interest gained in debriefing where the missions and "successes" of each fighter and each crew are analyzed in detail, while respectively points that need improvement are highlighted.

The "newentries" in the "INIOHOS 23" Indians with the impressive size SU-30 MK I, the Jordanians with the very powerful F-16s and the Saudis with the imposing F-15s seem to have a high aviation culture.
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So, together with the "hawks" of HAF and the very capable French, Spanish and Italians in mixed formations, they execute with high professionalism all the scenarios which next week will increase to the degree of difficulty as the formations increase in numbers.
 
However, the results of the self-protection and jamming systems of the two fighters seem to be impressive, with the Spectra of the Rafale and the Aspis II of the Viper creating a very difficult electronic warfare environment for any enemy fighter.
This is interesting. ASPI 2 and SPECTRA are described on the same plane to create a complex electronic warfare environment.

I remind you that both solutions are integrated but that the rafale has a signature (SER) optimized compared to the VIPER. This means, among other things, that the ASPI signals must be much stronger and therefore consumes much more energy than the SPECTRA or that it is less effective. The second solution is more likely.
I would also like to remind you that the VIPER has a very impressive range of external effectors, which makes it very difficult to know the SER of each configuration and sub-configuration. The precise knowledge of this SER is indispensable to manufacture a lambda/2 (active cancellation) wave.

I therefore doubt that there is any real technical equivalence in this particular aspect of active cancellation.

I believe that only the Greeks have ASPI2. So that's a hidden message for the US and the French that the Rafale is a success.
 
Rafale is superior to the MKI now, no doubts here. Post upgrade, MKI will have some advantages whilst Rafale will have some as well. In the end, MKI and Rafale combo is a formidable one for our enemies. Both compliment each other nicely. That's what really matter.