Sukhoi Su-30MKI

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You can't make an apples to apples comparison like that. Although the Bars has less power, it still has 1700+ receivers. So its method of signal processing is similar to that of an AESA

Let’s talk about the so-called hybrid electronically scanned radar first.
The N011M radar receiving system adopts a design similar to AESA, each unit module has its own LNA low noise amplifier design, which avoids the disadvantage that the loss of the traditional PESA receiving system is 5~6db higher than that of the AESA, but this kind of transmitting system is still PESA's passive structure centralized transmitter,
In fact, the most important thing is the back-end processing system of the radar, the N011M radar. The signal processor of the N011 radar has no programmable technology, and only uses a fixed digital circuit for signal processing. For a fixed digital processor, a corresponding circuit needs to be built for each different waveform to meet the requirements. This directly This leads to a substantial increase in the volume and weight of the equipment, and the programmable digital machine can be configured in real time according to software control, so only a few structural modules can be used to complete a variety of functions, and the volume and weight can be compressed very small. Of course, the most important consequence is that the total weight of the NO11M radar reaches 600KG, while the APG63 is only about 230KG

figure from 15 years ago put the Bars at 185Km vs 5m2 target, so it was as good as entry level AESA radars on smaller fighters like the F-16 today. The 110Km for 3m2 target was using Russian radar computers 20 years ago. With an upgrade to Indian computers in 2007 the range increased to 160Km for 3m2. Since then the Bars radar has had 2 computer upgrades, so we do not know its current range. An AESA upgrade is pending.

I don't know the specific situation of India's upgrade. At least the SU30SM exhibited in Russia in 2019 has a target detection range of only 110KM for RCS=3. The NO11M has used Indian computers from the beginning. Until now,I pecially asked at the Russian military forum this point,As for what you said, the target with RCS=5 has 180KM, it is likely to be the staring mode of the radar, and it only searches in a small range

The canards provide lift, so it compensates more than enough in performance. As per the Russians, the Su-30SM is only beaten by the Su-35 in WVR combat, so the TVC matters a lot. That's more than enough to showcase its superiority over older Flanker models.

I'll call it canard wings for now. This design is derived from SU27M, which is the old su35。
According to the Chinese translation of Russian data, this design is due to the overweight of the N011M radar, which causes the center of gravity of the aircraft to move forward, and the static instability of the aircraft decreases. In order to restore the static instability of the aircraft, a pair of canards are added.
This pair of canards only has a trim effect, and cannot generate eddy currents to increase lift, nor can it be used as the main operating surface to increase maneuverability at high elevation angles, so it cannot be a canard, but a three-wing surface.
With the success of the N035 radar and the advancement of Russian flight control technology, this design was cancelled by the SU35.
As for TVC, this poisonous wine, if you use TVC, your energy will decrease rapidly, which is reflected in the India-US military exercise
As for Russia's military exercises, I think there are two reasons. First, flight control. All Su-27s in Russia are still using vertical analog telex and horizontal mechanical hybrid flight control. Compared with the three-axis and four-degree redundancy of J11B and SU30SM There is a big gap between telex flight control
Second, pure propaganda, after all, is always going to make money.

The strongest adversary that we could possibly face in our life as a fighter pilot was the F-16 of PAF (for obvious reasons). So the excitement of facing an F-16, even in a mock combat was unbelievable. The weight of the mission was overbearing! Perhaps that’s what makes it special. As the combat commenced, we manoeuvred for our lives and in very little time the situation was in our favour! The desperate calls from the F-16, “Flare, Flare, Flare!” are very distinctly audible in my ears even today! From that day, the anxiety that prevailed over facing an F-16 in combat was gone forever…. Vanished! It was clear what the outcome would be!”

“Another mission that stand out is a group combat mission that was pitching a Su-30 & one MiG-21 BISON against three F-16 . As luck would have it, the BISON did not get airborne and now the game was one Su-30 vs three F-16 in a BVR scenario. Again, we pushed the envelope, manoeuvred between 3000 ft to 32000 ft, pulling up to 8 g, turning, tumbling, firing and escaping missiles in a simulated engagement. The crew co-ord between us in the cockpit and the fighter controller on the ground was the best that I have ever seen! The results in a mock combat are always contentious but with ACMI, they are more reliable. End score one F-16 claimed without loss. When we got out of the cockpit we were thoroughly drenched in sweat and tired from the continuous high G manoeuvring but all smiles for the ecstasy that we had just experienced.”

I don't think there are specific charts and battlefield restorations. It is difficult for us to know the real situation only by the mouth of the pilot.

 

[randomradio]

Let’s talk about the so-called hybrid electronically scanned radar first.
The N011M radar receiving system adopts a design similar to AESA, each unit module has its own LNA low noise amplifier design, which avoids the disadvantage that the loss of the traditional PESA receiving system is 5~6db higher than that of the AESA, but this kind of transmitting system is still PESA's passive structure centralized transmitter,
In fact, the most important thing is the back-end processing system of the radar, the N011M radar. The signal processor of the N011 radar has no programmable technology, and only uses a fixed digital circuit for signal processing. For a fixed digital processor, a corresponding circuit needs to be built for each different waveform to meet the requirements. This directly This leads to a substantial increase in the volume and weight of the equipment, and the programmable digital machine can be configured in real time according to software control, so only a few structural modules can be used to complete a variety of functions, and the volume and weight can be compressed very small. Of course, the most important consequence is that the total weight of the NO11M radar reaches 600KG, while the APG63 is only about 230KG

Your information is 30 years old.

As for the weight, Bars was invented in the 80s using the technology of the 70s. You should be comparing Irbis-E with APG-63.

I don't know the specific situation of India's upgrade. At least the SU30SM exhibited in Russia in 2019 has a target detection range of only 110KM for RCS=3. The NO11M has used Indian computers from the beginning. Until now,I pecially asked at the Russian military forum this point,As for what you said, the target with RCS=5 has 180KM, it is likely to be the staring mode of the radar, and it only searches in a small range
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It can't use the 130Km R-27 with only a detection range of 110Km. So it's either export downgrade or even fake, very likely to be fake.

I'll call it canard wings for now. This design is derived from SU27M, which is the old su35。

No. The Su-30MKI is derived from the Su-30, which in turn was derived from the Su-27UB.
Su-27M followed a different development path, it's a single seat aircraft. Nothing to do with Su-30MKI.

According to the Chinese translation of Russian data, this design is due to the overweight of the N011M radar, which causes the center of gravity of the aircraft to move forward, and the static instability of the aircraft decreases. In order to restore the static instability of the aircraft, a pair of canards are added.
This pair of canards only has a trim effect, and cannot generate eddy currents to increase lift, nor can it be used as the main operating surface to increase maneuverability at high elevation angles, so it cannot be a canard, but a three-wing surface.

That's only one-half. The canards were added to to restore stability, but the added benefit was increased lift.

With the success of the N035 radar and the advancement of Russian flight control technology, this design was cancelled by the SU35.

There's no relation between Su-30MKI and Su-35.
Su-27 > Su-27M > Su-35 (canards) > Su-37 (canards + TVC)... TD, end
Su-27 > Su-27S > Su-27M2 > Su-35BM... serial production
Su-27UB > Su-30 > Su-30M > Su-30MKI (canards + TVC) > Su-30SM > Su-30SM2 > Su-30MKI MLU... serial production

So Su-35/37, Su-35BM and Su-30MKI are three different aircraft. Su-37 didn't become Su-30MKI.

J-11 is closer to Su-35BM.
Su-27 > Su-27S > Su-27SK > J-11/B > Su-27M2 > Su-35BM.

As for TVC, this poisonous wine, if you use TVC, your energy will decrease rapidly, which is reflected in the India-US military exercise

The only critics of TVC are ones who do not operate it. The Red Flag exercise comments were laughable, dismissed by our pilots. At best, he may have been talking about a young pilot who made a mistake in a dog fight. Most of the Red Flag pilots sent to the US were young.

MKI pilot:
Is TVC useful in air combat? If so, how should it be used?
“Most people think that it’s not! My suspicion is that’s because it requires skill to put it to good use. Once two beasts of this kind engage in combat, it goes down to the wire and in the low speed regime the TVC allows you just the edge you’ve been looking for. Just 300m is enough to get to the right angle and Boom!”

How you rate the Su-30 in the following categories?
“A. Instantaneous turn– at high speeds, a shade slow, but once you get her to 650-709 Kmph- as goos as any. With thrust vectoring- unparalleled!

So you should get your opinion from those who actually operate TVC.

As for Russia's military exercises, I think there are two reasons. First, flight control. All Su-27s in Russia are still using vertical analog telex and horizontal mechanical hybrid flight control. Compared with the three-axis and four-degree redundancy of J11B and SU30SM There is a big gap between telex flight control
Second, pure propaganda, after all, is always going to make money.

It doesn't matter, the MKI demonstrates dog fighting superiority over every single aircraft in the IAF's inventory, and even the F-16 and F-15.

 

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Your information is 30 years old.

As for the weight, Bars was invented in the 80s using the technology of the 70s. You should be comparing Irbis-E with APG-63

I don't know if the Bars you are talking about is N011M. First of all, N011M is a product after 2000. The highest level of Soviet radar is N001. In the 1990s, the NO11 radar developed by absorbing Western technology used flat slot antennas.
N011M using PESA antenna was born after 2000

No. The Su-30MKI is derived from the Su-30, which in turn was derived from the Su-27UB.
Su-27M followed a different development path, it's a single seat aircraft. Nothing to do with Su-30MKI.

Said that there are two Su 35, I am talking about the old su 35, and the Su 30 mentioned in India is also derived from the T10-M program. After the old su 35 project ended, the technological achievements flowed to SU30MKI and SU30MKK

There's no relation between Su-30MKI and Su-35.
Su-27 > Su-27M > Su-35 (canards) > Su-37 (canards + TVC)... TD, end
Su-27 > Su-27S > Su-27M2 > Su-35BM... serial production
Su-27UB > Su-30 > Su-30M > Su-30MKI (canards + TVC) > Su-30SM > Su-30SM2 > Su-30MKI MLU... serial production

So Su-35/37, Su-35BM and Su-30MKI are three different aircraft. Su-37 didn't become Su-30MKI.

J-11 is closer to Su-35BM.
Su-27 > Su-27S > Su-27SK > J-11/B > Su-27M2 > Su-35BM.

In a sense you are right, this is the product line of the two manufacturers, but the Su 35, as the last generation of the Soviet Union Su 27, has gathered all the design forces of Sukhoi and screened all the plans

The only critics of TVC are ones who do not operate it. The Red Flag exercise comments were laughable, dismissed by our pilots. At best, he may have been talking about a young pilot who made a mistake in a dog fight. Most of the Red Flag pilots sent to the US were young.

MKI pilot:
Is TVC useful in air combat? If so, how should it be used?
“Most people think that it’s not! My suspicion is that’s because it requires skill to put it to good use. Once two beasts of this kind engage in combat, it goes down to the wire and in the low speed regime the TVC allows you just the edge you’ve been looking for. Just 300m is enough to get to the right angle and Boom!”

How you rate the Su-30 in the following categories?
“A. Instantaneous turn– at high speeds, a shade slow, but once you get her to 650-709 Kmph- as goos as any. With thrust vectoring- unparalleled!

So you should get your opinion from those who actually operate TVC.

About TVC is not just India, there are F16 pilots fighting with F22, if F22 is eager to use TVC, it can easily be shot down by F16, and I don't think India will send young pilots in red flag military exercise, American pilot's comment Quite right, the TVC, the three-wing surface, and all kinds of dazzling things used by the Su 30MKI are not enough to make up for the overweight problem of the Su 30MKI
The Indian pilot is also right that TVC can quickly change the nose of the aircraft, but he did not say that the speed and altitude of the aircraft will decrease rapidly after use

It doesn't matter, the MKI demonstrates dog fighting superiority over every single aircraft in the IAF's inventory, and even the F-16 and F-15.

Many times it is purely propaganda, such as 8:0 with Typhoon fighters and 14:0 with F15C
hard to convince

 

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It can't use the 130Km R-27 with only a detection range of 110Km. So it's either export downgrade or even fake, very likely to be fake

R27 can fly 130KM, which is impossible, pure propaganda, just like R77 that can fly 90KM, only 50KM by Chinese standard, R27 huge wings, causing huge resistance, its maneuverability is far inferior to using grid Wing's R77, it is estimated that it can only fly 130KM in space

 

[Innominate]

About TVC is not just India, there are F16 pilots fighting with F22, if F22 is eager to use TVC, it can easily be shot down by F16, and I don't think India will send young pilots in red flag military exercise, American pilot's comment Quite right, the TVC, the three-wing surface, and all kinds of dazzling things used by the Su 30MKI are not enough to make up for the overweight problem of the Su 30MKI
The Indian pilot is also right that TVC can quickly change the nose of the aircraft, but he did not say that the speed and altitude of the aircraft will decrease rapidly after use

SU-30MKM pretty much has the same performance as the MKI and it gets killed in this video by F-18.

Fight starts at 8:30.

 

[_Anonymous_]

While I find the entire discussion above interesting , I'm very intrigued by the Chinese member quoting Red Flag & other exercises to show up the Flankers. It'd be hilarious in different times. Perhaps he needs to be reminded that our Flankers will be met by Chinese Flankers of Russian origin , their Chinese copies & Chinese derivatives of those copies as well as the "5th Gen" J-20 & not the teens or starship enterprise flanked by Raptors.

Just as ADHD afflicted underaged urchin with acute acne above needs to understand that if the Chinese 5th Gen is truly the next best thing in aviation history after his mom's shepherd's pie for dogs which he considers a delicacy & the Lightning at whose altar he genuflects 5 times a day at the bare minimum if not more , just in order to run down the Flankers , well guess what the USAF , USN & USMC will be up against in their defence of Taiwan.

 

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While I find the entire discussion above interesting , I'm very intrigued by the Chinese member quoting Red Flag & other exercises to show up the Flankers. It'd be hilarious in different times. Perhaps he needs to be reminded that our Flankers will be met by Chinese Flankers of Russian origin , their Chinese copies & Chinese derivatives of those copies as well as the "5th Gen" J-20 & not the teens or starship enterprise flanked by Raptors.

Just as ADHD afflicted underaged urchin with acute acne above needs to understand that if the Chinese 5th Gen is truly the next best thing in aviation history after his mom's shepherd's pie for dogs which he considers a delicacy & the Lightning at whose altar he genuflects 5 times a day at the bare minimum if not more , just in order to run down the Flankers , well guess what the USAF , USN & USMC will be up against in their defence of Taiwan.

I don't know what you're cursing in the second paragraph
You are probably saying that the J20 sucks and will be defeated by the US, India's hatred of China is appalling,
The performance of the J20 is another grand subject, which will be discussed later
I'm just stating the facts, not because my country uses this aircraft it should be overhyped

 

[randomradio]

I don't know if the Bars you are talking about is N011M. First of all, N011M is a product after 2000. The highest level of Soviet radar is N001. In the 1990s, the NO11 radar developed by absorbing Western technology used flat slot antennas.
N011M using PESA antenna was born after 2000

N011 and N011M are part of Bars family. N011 was mechanically scanned and the M version came with hybrid PESA. The radar was invented in the 80s, and the M version came in the early 90s. It was meant for Su-27M, but India restarted the program for Su-30MKI.

Said that there are two Su 35, I am talking about the old su 35, and the Su 30 mentioned in India is also derived from the T10-M program. After the old su 35 project ended, the technological achievements flowed to SU30MKI and SU30MKK
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The family tree is different. Even the engines were different.

About TVC is not just India, there are F16 pilots fighting with F22, if F22 is eager to use TVC, it can easily be shot down by F16, and I don't think India will send young pilots in red flag military exercise, American pilot's comment Quite right, the TVC, the three-wing surface, and all kinds of dazzling things used by the Su 30MKI are not enough to make up for the overweight problem of the Su 30MKI
The Indian pilot is also right that TVC can quickly change the nose of the aircraft, but he did not say that the speed and altitude of the aircraft will decrease rapidly after use

As per Indian pilots, the aircraft will decrease in altitude only if it stalls. If the aircraft is piloted properly, what the American pilot said won't happen.

The IAF publicly said they sent young pilots for the learning experience, that there's no use in sending expert pilots for training. Most of the pilots sent were in their mid to late 20s.

Many times it is purely propaganda, such as 8:0 with Typhoon fighters and 14:0 with F15C
hard to convince

Not really. We see the same results in India also. F-15C and Typhoon are superior to MKI in supersonic performance, but the MKI's dogfighting capability is superior to both.

Would recommend reading the entire article.

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For starters … not a single Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter was `shot down’ in close air combat missions at the Mountain Home air base. In fact, none of the Sukhois were even close to being shot down in the 10 odd one on one sorties which were planned for the first two days of the exercises at Mountain Home. These one on one engagements featured USAF jets such as the F-15 and F-16 in close air engagements against the Su-30 MKI. The majority of the kills claimed in these engagements were granted to the Indian Air Force with the remainder of these being no-results. Indian Air Force Sukhois did use their famed thrust vectoring in these one on one engagements. Contrary to what may have been reported elsewhere … the Su-30 has a rate of turn of more than 35 degrees when operating in the thrust vector mode. In certain circumstances, this goes up substantially.

The USAF also publicly apologised for all the wrong comments of the Colonel.

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R27 can fly 130KM, which is impossible, pure propaganda, just like R77 that can fly 90KM, only 50KM by Chinese standard, R27 huge wings, causing huge resistance, its maneuverability is far inferior to using grid Wing's R77, it is estimated that it can only fly 130KM in space

There is no such thing as Russian standard, Indian standard or Chinese standard, there is only one standard, and it only depends on the firing altitude. When fired from altitudes above 15Km at mach 0.9, the R-27 will do 130Km. As the altitude falls, the range also falls. At sea level, it will only do 20Km.

R-77 does 100Km at very high altitude (18Km), 85Km at high altitude (12-15Km) and 40-50Km at medium altitude (9-12Km).

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

N011 and N011M are part of Bars family. N011 was mechanically scanned and the M version came with hybrid PESA. The radar was invented in the 80s, and the M version came in the early 90s. It was meant for Su-27M, but India restarted the program for Su-30MKI.



The family tree is different. Even the engines were different.



As per Indian pilots, the aircraft will decrease in altitude only if it stalls. If the aircraft is piloted properly, what the American pilot said won't happen.

The IAF publicly said they sent young pilots for the learning experience, that there's no use in sending expert pilots for training. Most of the pilots sent were in their mid to late 20s.



Not really. We see the same results in India also. F-15C and Typhoon are superior to MKI in supersonic performance, but the MKI's dogfighting capability is superior to both.

Would recommend reading the entire article.

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For starters … not a single Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter was `shot down’ in close air combat missions at the Mountain Home air base. In fact, none of the Sukhois were even close to being shot down in the 10 odd one on one sorties which were planned for the first two days of the exercises at Mountain Home. These one on one engagements featured USAF jets such as the F-15 and F-16 in close air engagements against the Su-30 MKI. The majority of the kills claimed in these engagements were granted to the Indian Air Force with the remainder of these being no-results. Indian Air Force Sukhois did use their famed thrust vectoring in these one on one engagements. Contrary to what may have been reported elsewhere … the Su-30 has a rate of turn of more than 35 degrees when operating in the thrust vector mode. In certain circumstances, this goes up substantially.

The USAF also publicly apologised for all the wrong comments of the Colonel.

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There is no such thing as Russian standard, Indian standard or Chinese standard, there is only one standard, and it only depends on the firing altitude. When fired from altitudes above 15Km at mach 0.9, the R-27 will do 130Km. As the altitude falls, the range also falls. At sea level, it will only do 20Km.

R-77 does 100Km at very high altitude (18Km), 85Km at high altitude (12-15Km) and 40-50Km at medium altitude (9-12Km).

For us in India , what really matters is how can we make the Su 30 more capable ASAP

So that it can take on the J 20 and J 11 / J16

In the 90s the Mirage 2000 and MIG 29 did DACT exercises to develop tactics to take on the F 16s

Similarly Su 30 should be equipped with the Best Jammers


The only way is new and better jammers like KHIBINY Or SKYSHIELD

 

[_Anonymous_]

I don't know what you're cursing in the second paragraph
You are probably saying that the J20 sucks and will be defeated by the US, India's hatred of China is appalling,
The performance of the J20 is another grand subject, which will be discussed later
I'm just stating the facts, not because my country uses this aircraft it should be overhyped

The 2nd paragraph doesn't concern you at all nor is it much to do with the J-20 . That was intended for someone else who's got the message .

If I had anything to add on the J 20 , whether positive or negative I don't need to beat around the bush .

 

[_Anonymous_]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498815924240936962

 

[Tatvamasi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498815924240936962

With the standard of IAF officers no surprise if he thinks its real.

 

[_Anonymous_]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498815924240936962

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498831632945455108

 

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[_Anonymous_]

Does anybody know anything about which aircraft this is meant for ? Prima facie it appears to be for the MKI but neither does the video mention it nor is there anything on the net on this development.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Now this is idiotic. "after J10 by paf ..."

It seems like if the procurement happens it will be a response to Pakistan. Which it is not. Brings down the credibility of these YouTube channels.

Su30MKI procurement was planned long before. And even now it will likely be up only for a DAC clearance. Then a CCS and then signing of deal.

Further it seems a waste of money to me now. As there already has been a break in the production line. Restarting it will cost us. I can bet that the 12 Su30MKI will cost more than Eurofighter. Means like 110 million USD fly away.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Now this is idiotic. "after J10 by paf ..."

It seems like if the procurement happens it will be a response to Pakistan. Which it is not. Brings down the credibility of these YouTube channels.

Su30MKI procurement was planned long before. And even now it will likely be up only for a DAC clearance. Then a CCS and then signing of deal.

Further it seems a waste of money to me now. As there already has been a break in the production line. Restarting it will cost us. I can bet that the 12 Su30MKI will cost more than Eurofighter. Means like 110 million USD fly away.

The exchange rate of the rouble to the USD isn't what it used to be unless the agreement we've signed with the Russians has permanently pegged the rouble at a fixed rate of exchange to the USD.

If we're going in for the full upgrade package of the Super Sukhoi which includes engines it makes sense more so since Russia will be under severe sanctions. It's better we do it here in India . That way we retain more control over the whole process.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

The exchange rate of the rouble to the USD isn't what it used to be unless the agreement we've signed with the Russians has permanently pegged the rouble at a fixed rate of exchange to the USD.

If we send the western/Indian equipment to Irkut for the final assembly, the delivery time will be atleast half and cost around 45-50 million USD a piece.

The MLU will be in phases. The first few will get computer upgrades. Then further few will get the EW too. Then the later batches will get AESA. And if enough funds are there then the last ones will have new engines too. Then again the ones which underwent MLU first will get another life extension, getting all the equipment.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

The wise thing to do is send the equipment to Russia and let Irkut give you the fly away aircrafts. Quicker and cheaper.

Final assembly with HAL will be slow, more costly and add to the fact GST/Import duties etc. It's simply not worth it.

The money spent on 12 aircraft is better funneled into Rafales.

 

[Sathya]

N k

The wise thing to do is send the equipment to Russia and let Irkut give you the fly away aircrafts. Quicker and cheaper.

Final assembly with HAL will be slow, more costly and add to the fact GST/Import duties etc. It's simply not worth it.

The money spent on 12 aircraft is better funneled into Rafales.

Even before Ukraine,, we are not sure how things will proceed with Russian weapons purchase.

Now it's even more doubtful.

Only purchase from France can go smooth.
Unfortunately for us, Dassault has more orders in wait. Leaving us only option of make in India.