Sukhoi Su-30MKI

Sathya said:
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Even before Ukraine,, we are not sure how things will proceed with Russian weapons purchase.

Now it's even more doubtful.

Only purchase from France can go smooth.
Unfortunately for us, Dassault has more orders in wait. Leaving us only option of make in India.
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A small order can alway be accommodated by Dassault. Unlike HAL and Su30 saga. They can actually continuously build 22+ Aircrafts per year. And most of the Rafale coustomers don't have resources to operationalise large numbers in a year. So they will be taking deliveries over a longer period of time.

18 of Greece , 12 of Croatia and 30 of Egypt will be the focus now. Between 2022 and 2025 they can deliver excess of 90 Rafales.

That's a lot.

If we place an order for 36 more off the shelf purchase by year end. We will have deliveries between 2025 and 2028.

Not bad considering we are aiming for MK1A in the same period. AoN, DAC , CCS and deal signing. It can be done... But.

It's lots of ifs and buts.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Now this is idiotic. "after J10 by paf ..."

It seems like if the procurement happens it will be a response to Pakistan. Which it is not. Brings down the credibility of these YouTube channels.
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It's just clickbait titles.

Ankit Kumar said:
Su30MKI procurement was planned long before. And even now it will likely be up only for a DAC clearance. Then a CCS and then signing of deal.

Further it seems a waste of money to me now. As there already has been a break in the production line. Restarting it will cost us. I can bet that the 12 Su30MKI will cost more than Eurofighter. Means like 110 million USD fly away.
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I don't think it's full production, it will only be kit assembly.

In any case, these 12 jets are supposed to be upgraded, hence the higher cost.
Ankit Kumar said:
A small order can alway be accommodated by Dassault. Unlike HAL and Su30 saga. They can actually continuously build 22+ Aircrafts per year. And most of the Rafale coustomers don't have resources to operationalise large numbers in a year. So they will be taking deliveries over a longer period of time.

18 of Greece , 12 of Croatia and 30 of Egypt will be the focus now. Between 2022 and 2025 they can deliver excess of 90 Rafales.

That's a lot.

If we place an order for 36 more off the shelf purchase by year end. We will have deliveries between 2025 and 2028.

Not bad considering we are aiming for MK1A in the same period. AoN, DAC , CCS and deal signing. It can be done... But.

It's lots of ifs and buts.
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Any Rafale follow-ons can be assembled in India.
 
randomradio said:
I don't think it's full production, it will only be kit assembly.

In any case, these 12 jets are supposed to be upgraded, hence the higher cost.
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We can see new Su 30 in multiples of 12 , there wont be any announcement for subsequent orders

RAFALE follow on is delayed
Tejas is delayed

Pakistan is getting 75 J 10
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
We can see new Su 30 in multiples of 12 , there wont be any announcement for subsequent orders

RAFALE follow on is delayed
Tejas is delayed

Pakistan is getting 75 J 10
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They have 60 F7PG , 150+ Mirages and few years down the line F16s to retire. We only have 80 or so Mig21s at those extreme conditions.

MMRCA 2 will happen. But it will likely be delivering jets in conjunction to Tejas MK2.

Situation is not good for us. But not alarming vis a vis PAF.
randomradio said:
kit assembly
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That will drive the costs further. Tax will be levied on imported items. And then again on finished item. Idiotic.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
We can see new Su 30 in multiples of 12 , there wont be any announcement for subsequent orders

RAFALE follow on is delayed
Tejas is delayed

Pakistan is getting 75 J 10
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How many su 30's do we haave right now 262 or 260??
Ankit Kumar said:
They have 60 F7PG , 150+ Mirages and few years down the line F16s to retire. We only have 80 or so Mig21s at those extreme conditions.

MMRCA 2 will happen. But it will likely be delivering jets in conjunction to Tejas MK2.

Situation is not good for us. But not alarming vis a vis PAF.

That will drive the costs further. Tax will be levied on imported items. And then again on finished item. Idiotic.
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The funny part is the mig 21's have bvr while their f-7's mirage only have wvr integration. For all the hue and cry the mig 21 bisons are as good as the jf-17 blk 2's. And if the f-16 shootdown case is true it means we can handle the Pakishits easily. The j-10 though will be a problem let's hope the pl-15 is as bad as the claims are.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
We can see new Su 30 in multiples of 12 , there wont be any announcement for subsequent orders

RAFALE follow on is delayed
Tejas is delayed

Pakistan is getting 75 J 10
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It will take them atleast 2025 to get the 75 j-10's. By that time we will have mk1a's inducted so will be the astra mk 2. The only problem is why couldn't we integrate a dcmaws on the mk 1a even a pair of dcmaws would have done wonders.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
We can see new Su 30 in multiples of 12 , there wont be any announcement for subsequent orders
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That's unlikely to happen. If we wanted more, we would have ordered them along with the 12.

STEPHEN COHEN said:
RAFALE follow on is delayed
Tejas is delayed
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One can argue that Rafale follow-on never existed. The IAF asked for 80 jets GTG, got only 36, and then they immediately set their sights on the SE MII tender, followed by MRFA.

Tejas isn't delayed since after Parrikar. Yeah, maybe by a year because the Israelis quoted a higher price and had to be tendered and the negotiations with MoD took an extra year. But that's about it. Mk2 is progressing as per schedule, at least for now.

STEPHEN COHEN said:
Pakistan is getting 75 J 10
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You mean 25? I'd love nothing more than the PAF investing in 75 J-10s.
Ankit Kumar said:
A follow on off the shelf purchase will give quicker results and will be cheaper. Any attempt to assemble them in India will only happen under the MMRCA 2, which is some time away. A small order won't see realisation of a plant here.
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Since the assembly line can cater to both the Falcon and Rafale, the French have offered to assemble the jets in India, if ordered.
 
randomradio said:
You mean 25? I'd love nothing more than the PAF investing in 75 J-10s.
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Plan is to order around 75 more j-10's. Most likely to replace their aging f-16's. From what it seems the only reason they went for j-10's is because the jf-17 blk 3 can't use the pl-15 E because too large for the plane to carry and too get an f-16 replacement. I don't know how they will afford it and maintain it.
 
Lolwa said:
Plan is to order around 75 more j-10's. Most likely to replace their aging f-16's. From what it seems the only reason they went for j-10's is because the jf-17 blk 3 can't use the pl-15 E because too large for the plane to carry and too get an f-16 replacement. I don't know how they will afford it and maintain it.
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They will probably get those J-10s at highly discounted rates, or even free of cost, which was expected, but still it's not a technological match for the IAF. Any new purchase today should be relevant for the next 25 years, but the J-10 will lose its relevance in just 10.
 
Of course , our enemies would fight us when we are adequately equipped & well prepared adhering to all rules of combat just as in the Mahabharata in which too rules were followed as much in it's observance as in it's breach .
 
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Lolwa said:
Plan is to order around 75 more j-10's. Most likely to replace their aging f-16's. From what it seems the only reason they went for j-10's is because the jf-17 blk 3 can't use the pl-15 E because too large for the plane to carry and too get an f-16 replacement. I don't know how they will afford it and maintain it.
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Jf17 can't use PL15 to its full potential that's the main reason they purchased J10C. In Pakistan, there may be a deficit of funds for developmental projects but for defense they always have money. We should work on developing an MBRL system of 150 KM to 180 KM specifically for carpet-bombing in an all-important defense location in Pakistan and about the purchase of new MKI from Russia, I think it's not the right time as it may unnecessarily irritate NATO countries.
 
TARGET said:
Jf17 can't use PL15 to its full potential that's the main reason they purchased J10C. In Pakistan, there may be a deficit of funds for developmental projects but for defense they always have money. We should work on developing an MBRL system of 150 KM to 180 KM specifically for carpet-bombing in an all-important defense location in Pakistan and about the purchase of new MKI from Russia, I think it's not the right time as it may unnecessarily irritate NATO countries.
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Yep buy loads of oil.. Defense purchase should be postponed which we were already doing.
Maybe we can upgrade Su 30 mki in-house with help from others including OEM.

We need urgent attention to spare s or engine from Ukraine origin too..

Weapons be bought from France.
I believe it'll be Rafale M for starters.

@Milspec any news about change of plans in Su 30 upgrade ? { that u told in in 6 months news may break out with major OEM upgrade of Su 30 }
 
TARGET said:
Jf17 can't use PL15 to its full potential that's the main reason they purchased J10C. In Pakistan, there may be a deficit of funds for developmental projects but for defense they always have money. We should work on developing an MBRL system of 150 KM to 180 KM specifically for carpet-bombing in an all-important defense location in Pakistan and about the purchase of new MKI from Russia, I think it's not the right time as it may unnecessarily irritate NATO countries.
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I don't think the jf-17's can even carry the pl-15's in the first place. The madrassachaps were saying they would have irst,ifr probes and pl-15 integration. But it seems like neither do they have irst nor the ifr probes. Right now if we upgrade the mk1 to foc standard with aesa they will be automatically be superior to the blk 3's. The mk 2 mwf will be on par with j-10C's. I hope drdo is working on a spectra like system for the mk 2 and towed decoys.
As for artillery we need to make a Iskander copy and the artillery corps atleast needs to get access of tactical ballistic missiles upto 1000 km. Basically sub 200 km with
122 mm, 216 mm, 300 mm, 400/450mm an atacms copy. We have prahaar,pralay series of missiles. We need an Iskander equivalent. And a df-26 type ballistic missile. Also cheap ballistic missiles like scuds that can be exported as well as mass produced extremely cheaply.
Since the IAF also getting ballistic missiles and want a ground component they can also get acess of upto 1500 km of munitions.
The nirbhay should be upgrade to upto 3000-4000 km range (kalibr m by the Russians and the cj-10 has 3000-3500 km ranges though no idea if they are ready or not).
 
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