Sukhoi Su-30MKI

Ashwin said:
No one thinks MKI is a liability. Super flanker is a marketing name given by russians for their upgrade proposal which we did not take.


Who is this? Admiral Pravin Sawhney’s ghost writer ?
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No one thinks MKI is a liability? The poster who just posted before you, i.e., @Hydra, lol🤣

Anyways, I am not talking about Super Sukhoi upgrade(it was always a marketing term given for MKI MLU).

I am talking about our current plane, i.e., SU-30MKI and calling it super flanker. Su27 was flanker while old SU27M i.e., old SU35 was termed super flanker. Later SU37 was presented as tech demonstrator. Our MKI is like twin seat version of SU37 terminator, hence called super flanker(by fanboys I must add😎).
Hydra said:
Pravin sawhney will lick any shit of Russian origin, just like many fan boys does here.

Other than parade performance what achievement does a flanker have? Nothing.
And do you really think that MKI without AESA radar, EW suite, without modern a2a missiles ( slowly it is getting addressed now) will have a chance in a contested airspace?

And i said MKI is not a liability to IAF, because for an airforce inventories mainly consists rust buckets inducted before 90s or 80s, MKI will give bare minimum breathing space. MKI is not a liability for IAF, since we dont have adequate AEWS /AWACS the limited data link & monstrously powerfull radar of mki may come in handy.
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We have won multiple wars with Russian weapons. And MKI has serious Indian content inside which is increasing with time. You can diss it all you want, but when the balloon goes up, MKI is still our enemy's biggest headache.
 
Rajput Lion said:
We have won multiple wars with Russian weapons. And MKI has serious Indian content inside which is increasing with time. You can diss it all you want, but when the balloon goes up, MKI is still our enemy's biggest headache.
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The very first war we fought was in 1948, we use British weapons to stop Pakistanis.

62 war we lost, one of the reason why we lost that war was VK Krishna menon denied military call for a new weapons from Belgium, calling ot as a NATO weapon.

65 war, we fought Pakistanis with Canberra, Gnat aircraft and centurian Tank. All are british. We won the Battle because of the western weapons.

71 Again, spear head of IAF was Gnat. Navy used Harrier to bomb shit out of Pakistanis from today's Bangladesh. We used Russian missile to attack karachi. Thats the only time when some Russian stuff gave any result to us.

99 kargil war. We were struggling like anything Kargil. Its the french Mirages, Sweedish Boforse, & Israeli weapons brought us the victory. Oh yeah, US pavway Guided bombs too.

Balakot, again we Used french Mirages.
Feb 27 we use mki & mig 29,but they came & drop the bomb inside our military complex, they shoot down a mig 21 & captured our pilot.

Now use your brain.
 
Hydra said:
The very first war we fought was in 1948, we use British weapons to stop Pakistanis.

62 war we lost, one of the reason why we lost that war was VK Krishna menon denied military call for a new weapons from Belgium, calling ot as a NATO weapon.

65 war, we fought Pakistanis with Canberra, Gnat aircraft and centurian Tank. All are british. We won the Battle because of the western weapons.

71 Again, spear head of IAF was Gnat. Navy used Harrier to bomb shit out of Pakistanis from today's Bangladesh. We used Russian missile to attack karachi. Thats the only time when some Russian stuff gave any result to us.

99 kargil war. We were struggling like anything Kargil. Its the french Mirages, Sweedish Boforse, & Israeli weapons brought us the victory. Oh yeah, US pavway Guided bombs too.

Balakot, again we Used french Mirages.
Feb 27 we use mki & mig 29,but they came & drop the bomb inside our military complex, they shoot down a mig 21 & captured our pilot.

Now use your brain.
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Our biggest military success, i.e., 1971 war came with Russian weapons. You've no idea how much IAF loved Mig 21 after this war.

Kargil, sure Mirage 2000 was hero, but without the BVR coverage of Mig 29, Pakistani F16s would have slayed the Vajra.

Also in 1971 USSR came to our aid when your beloved Uncle Sam and UK sent their Carrier Strike group to attack India.

Anyways, here is one article for you how a Russian warplane changed the war in India's favour for good:

How the MiG-21 tilted the 1971 war in India’s favour with its 13/1 success ratio​


The Indian Air Force (IAF) had requested the induction of supersonic jet fighters as early as 1962. Many candidates from the American F-104 Starfighter to the English Electric Lightning had been shortlisted by the IAF. Since the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) was already operating the F-104A Starfighter and the Americans were keen on hawking the Northrop F-5, the IAF went in for the Russian made Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 [referred to as Fishbed by NATO].

The first variant to enter service was the MiG-21 F-13, which arrived as early as 1963. Tail No. BC816 was the first MiG-21 F-13 produced, but Tail No. BC821 was the first to arrive in India and formed a new squadron, the No. 28 First Supersonics at Chandigarh Air Force Station in Punjab. By September 1965, there were six MiG-21 F-13s and two MiG-21 PFs in service.

Regrettably, three of these aircraft were bombed on the ground at Pathankot by Pakistani F-86 F Sabres in the 1965 conflict. But they in turn shot down a Pakistani C-130 B Hercules and an F-86 F Sabre. When the war ended, the IAF decided to induct a more modern variant of the MiG-21. A deal was signed in 1964 between the Mikoyan-Gurevich corporation in the Soviet Union and Hindustan Aeronautical Limited (HAL) in India under which the Indian company began licensed production of the Type 77 MiG-21s. By December 1971, HAL had delivered eighty-one MiG-21 FLs to the IAF and all of them were inducted into service.

The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 Forsazh Lokator [referred to as Fishbed-D by NATO] was a supersonic monster flying faster than twice the speed of sound at Mach 2.25. It was powered by a huge Tumansky R-11 F-300 engine. It had an R1L radar fitted into its nose cone which could locate enemy fighters at a range of 20 km. The MiG-21 FL was armed with two Vympal K-13 (AA-2 Atoll-A) infrared homing air-to-air missiles. Due to its limited range, the MiG had to carry a drop tank under the fuselage which could be traded out for a GSh-23 twin-barreled cannon pod.

By December 1971, the IAF was armed with three MiG-21 squadrons in the east; No.4 Oorials, No.28 First Supersonics and No.30 Charging Rhinos. The western border was guarded by five squadrons: No.1 Tigers, No.8 Eight Pursoots, No.29 Scorpions, No.45 Winged Swords and No. 47 Black Archers. All of them were well equipped to defend the Indian skies.

The MiG-21 first saw action on 4 December 1971 at the beginning of the Bangladesh Liberation War. Flying Officer Jayendra Sukrut Raj of the No. 4 Oorials shot down a Pakistani Canadair F-86E Sabre over Tezgaon in East Pakistan. On 6 December, Wing Commander Bishnoi led a formation of four MiG-21s from the 28th squadron towards Tezgaon, the only operational PAF Airbase in East Pakistan. Each MiG-21 dropped a pair of 500kg iron bombs directly onto the runway and grounded the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Not a single PAF Sabre was able to take off from the cratered runway thereafter and the IAF had established air supremacy over East Pakistan within 48 hours.

In the western theatre of the war, the much-awaited matchup between the Indian MiG-21 FL and the Pakistani Starfighter took place on 12 December when Flight Lieutenant Bharat Bhushan Soni, on a Combat-Air-Patrol (CAP) missions CAP above Jamnagar, shot down a PAF Starfighter with his 23mm cannon after missing a K-13 shot at the bandit over the Arabian Sea. Meanwhile, four MiG-21s had also been modified and inducted into the super-secret TACDE (Tactics and Air Combat Development Establishment). Squadron Leader Teshter Jall Master bombed both the Shorkot Road airfield and the Chaklala airbase in West Pakistan at night successfully. He would also go on to bring down an F-86 F Sabre with a K-13 missile on 9 December.

The very first air combat kill of the MiG-21FL on the western front however was a Pakistani Mirage III EP. On 9 December Squadron Leader Sindhaghatta Subbaramu encountered a lone enemy Mirage over Poonch, Kashmir. He launched both his K-13 missiles at the bandit which disappeared from his radar seconds later.

On 13 December, four MiG-21s of the 47th Black Archers successfully knocked out the Pakistani radar station at Badin, Sindh in an exceptionally difficult mission. Unfortunately, Wing Commander Hersern Singh Gill was shot down by Pakistani anti-aircraft fire and killed in action over Badin. The Indian formation was also jumped upon by a Pakistani Starfighter. Nevertheless, Squadron Leader Vinay Kapila intercepted the Starfighter and took it out with a salvo from his Ub-16 rocket pods.

Three days later, Flight Lieutenant Samar Bikram Shah from the 29th Scorpions, flying his MiG-21 defended a formation of Indian HF-24 Maruts from three prowling Pakistani F-6 A (MiG-19) interceptors over Uttarlai Air Force station in Rajasthan. The Maruts were armed with heavy air-to-surface weaponry and an internal rocket pod and were consequently inept at surviving the confrontation by themselves.

In a spate of brilliant action, Shah engaged one of the PAF interceptors in a turn-fight and shot it out of the cloudless skies with his 23mm cannon. Then he chased after the other two and blew one of them apart with a K-13 missile. Shah would go on to become the highest-scoring MiG-21 FL pilot in kills, with three victories to his name by the end of the war (Two F-6 As and a F-104 A Starfighter).

On 17 December, Squadron Leader Iqbal Singh Bindra began the day’s daring events by obliterating a Pakistani Starfighter strafing the airstrip at Uttarlai. Later in the day a formation of four Indian HF-24 Maruts on a close air support mission, was ambushed by two PAF Starfighters. The pair of Pakistani interceptors was engaged by MiG-21s flown by Flight Lieutenant Aruna Kumar Datta and Flight Lieutenant Neeraj Khukreja of the 29th Scorpions.


In the ensuing dogfight over Naya-Chor, Sindh, West Pakistan, both the Starfighters were shattered to pieces with K-13 missiles. By 0800 hours on 17 December India’s MiG-21 had achieved thirteen victories in air combat for just a single loss. These included seven F-104 A Starfighters, two F-86 Sabres, two F-6 As (MiG-19s) a Mirage III EP and a C-130 B Hercules besides destroying strategically important PAF airfields, radar stations, military targets, and the Governor’s House in Dacca.

The legendary aircraft was popularly renamed “Trishul” after the 1971 war.

Since then, seven variants of more than eight hundred MiG-21s, besides trainers, have served in the Indian Air Force. From airfield buster to Falcon slayer, the MiG-21 has played the valiant role of a fighter bomber
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Link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-with-its-131-success-ratio-10212001.html/amp
 
Ankit Kumar said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1578689375827034112

No Russian involvement, intersting. As far as the RWR, MAWS , EW and Self Protection Jammer are concerned, we have indigenous efforts. The ejector launcher is our own effort, thus helping our local weapons to be easily integrated.

Maybe a local AESA later in future.

And structural refurbishment to be likely led by HAL.
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MKI was much more than just a imported plane for us. It's a program where we used a basic Russian plane and turned it our own. As time goes by, except engine, I don't see anything Russian. We may even change the skin in MLU full of carbon composites to reduce RCS of our flanker. All in all great steps by IAF👍
 
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Heavy Air Dominance/Superiority fighter like Flanker may be very expensive to maintain vis-a-vis light/medium fighters but the capability/flexibility it provides is simply unmatched. So far ONLY four nations operate this kind of fighters in large number(US, Russia, China and India). All four strongest air force(s) currently.

Found this very nice video which explains the current capabilities of SU30 MKI in basic yet effective terms:



PS: With Rudram, SAAW and Brahmos air to ground strike power of our Su30 is of very high order to say the least.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Heavy Air Dominance/Superiority fighter like Flanker may be very expensive to maintain vis-a-vis light/medium fighters but the capability/flexibility it provides is simply unmatched. So far ONLY four nations operate this kind of fighters in large number(US, Russia, China and India). All four strongest air force(s) currently.

Found this very nice video which explains the current capabilities of SU30 MKI in basic yet effective terms:



PS: With Rudram, SAAW and Brahmos air to ground strike power of our Su30 is of very high order to say the least.
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Ahem.... (cough) you might wanna take a certain nation off your list... just saying.
 
Rajput Lion said:
All 4 deserve to be on the list with US leading followed by China, Russia and India. Of course our number of 272 is lot lesser than other three, but it's still much more than most other nations. So🤷‍♂️
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Are we only talking about "heavy air dominance/superiority fighters" ability or its multi role capability too? If just heavy air dominance than a couple of nations need to be on that list.

I would take Russia off that list because it's not a strong air force in fact it is quite impotent over Ukraine.
 
Innominate said:
Are we only talking about "heavy air dominance/superiority fighters" ability or its multi role capability too? If just heavy air dominance than a couple of nations need to be on that list.

I would take Russia off that list because it's not a strong air force in fact it is quite impotent over Ukraine.
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Yes heavy weight fighters for Air Dominance. My ranking based upon combination of quality+quantity is(earlier one was based upon quantity only):

1. USAF

2. IAF

3. PLAAF

5. VVS(RuAF).

Of course your list and ranking order may differ. As they say, "to each his own".
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Yes heavy weight fighters for Air Dominance. My ranking based upon combination of quality+quantity is(earlier one was based upon quantity only):

1. USAF

2. IAF

3. PLAAF

5. VVS(RuAF).

Of course your list and ranking order may differ. As they say, "to each his own".
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IAF( india ) will not even make in to top 10 most powerfull airforce. South korean & Japanes airforce will be in top 2 Asian countries when comes to airforce, followed by China & Pakistan. IAF, may be in 5 th position in Asia.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Heavy Air Dominance/Superiority fighter like Flanker may be very expensive to maintain vis-a-vis light/medium fighters but the capability/flexibility it provides is simply unmatched. So far ONLY four nations operate this kind of fighters in large number(US, Russia, China and India). All four strongest air force(s) currently.

Found this very nice video which explains the current capabilities of SU30 MKI in basic yet effective terms:



PS: With Rudram, SAAW and Brahmos air to ground strike power of our Su30 is of very high order to say the least.
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F15 is a heavy class fighter and Israel,Japan & Soko operates this in numbers. Quatar too operating 36 or so. Brush up your knowledge first.
 
Hydra said:
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IAF( india ) will not even make in to top 10 most powerfull airforce. South korean & Japanes airforce will be in top 2 Asian countries when comes to airforce, followed by China & Pakistan. IAF, may be in 5 th position in Asia.
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So much hatred against your own country! I wonder whether you are an actual Indian or not.

According to world ranking of 2022 by WDMMA, IAF or Indian Air Force is rated 3rd best/potent air force of the world behind USAF and RuAF.

Link: Global Air Powers Ranking (2022)

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Rajput Lion said:
So much hatred against your own country! I wonder whether you are an actual Indian or not.

According to world ranking of 2022 by WDMMA, IAF or Indian Air Force is rated 3rd best/potent air force of the world behind USAF and RuAF.

Link: Global Air Powers Ranking (2022)

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How its hatred towards your own country. If your son is bad in maths, and if you said "he is weak in maths", does it means that you hate your son? No
Loving your country doesnt means that you should spread exaggerated figures on your country.
Rajput Lion said:
So much hatred against your own country! I wonder whether you are an actual Indian or not.

According to world ranking of 2022 by WDMMA, IAF or Indian Air Force is rated 3rd best/potent air force of the world behind USAF and RuAF.

Link: Global Air Powers Ranking (2022)

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Use your logic
40+ year old jaguars, mirages, mig21,mig29 along with MKI without EW suit are the mainstay of your airforce.
 
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Hydra said:
How its hatred towards your own country. If your son is bad in maths, and if you said "he is weak in maths", does it means that you hate your son? No
Loving your country doesnt means that you should spread exaggerated figures on your country.

Use your logic
40+ year old jaguars, mirages, mig21,mig29 along with MKI without EW suit are the mainstay of your airforce.
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According to you IAF is behind PAF. That's perfect example of negative exaggeration and hatred.

Hydra said:
😝😝😝😝😝😝
IAF( india ) will not even make in to top 10 most powerfull airforce. South korean & Japanes airforce will be in top 2 Asian countries when comes to airforce, followed by China & Pakistan.
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My ranking list perfectly corroborates with WDMMA list where they rated IAF ahead of PLAAF and every other air force sans USAF and VVS.
 
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