If you think everything is always said and done openly, you're more naive than I thought. The US is behind the Kurds, and whatever Russia says in press conferences to oppose America or placate you, the truth is they are largely behind the Kurds as well. Seeing as the Kurds are a largely secular and progressive people and reliable ally; unlike Turkey.
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If you think everything is always said and done openly, you're more naive than I thought. The US is behind the Kurds, and whatever Russia says in press conferences to oppose America or placate you, the truth is they are largely behind the Kurds as well. Seeing as the Kurds are a largely secular and progressive people and reliable ally; unlike Turkey.
Think what you want. You are free . Turkey always does what is necessary for its national security.
I never begrudge anybody that; but mistreating Armenians or Kurds, or supporting ISIS are not critical to Turkish security. Turkey would be just as safe, if not safer, without these things. Your argument reminds me of when Pakistanis argue that supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan is somehow imperative for maintaining their national security.
Just like Pakistan is now suffering the consequences of playing with radical Islam, Turkey will also suffer due to Erdogan's increasing radicalism, authoritarianism, and foolishness.
I am not supporting Erdogan. I analyze it from the strategic military view. I doubt that India would accept almost 50000 heavy equipped separatists at his borders. You have to remember that the USA delivered 5000 trucks full with IFV s, mortars, howitzers , manpads and more after ISIS was defeated in Raqqa. Turkish operations aim is border security and no occupation. You can be sure. We have 4 Million refugees and can't take more if the Arabs are forced to flee from Syria. Btw show me a nation which has no blood on his hands. Only remember Japanese occupation and massacres in Asia.
Hmm, there is no true analogy to the Kurds in the South Asia though, certainly not within Indian boundaries. Although I guess you could say the Baloch are similarly occupied; by multiple different nations.
And there's a difference between handling an actual separatist insurgency within your country, as India has had to do before, and claiming a national security threat from groups lying outside borderlines whose "threat" could largely be neutralized by taking a conciliatory approach and offering greater autonomy to the ethnic group in question.
As for having blood on hands, more than what past generations did, the bigger problem today is the plain denial of those actions, and a concerted effort to cover those actions up, rather than acknowledging and apologizing for them, and trying to make up for what happened.
Agreed. German Parliament refused to accept Herero Genocide in Namibia as Belgium refused to accept Genocide in Kongo. I would appreciate much if the UN could found an independent global genocide comission of indepenent academicians with unlimited access to archives.
Mate, try to concentrate on ME. This region is a key region. Not only cause fossil ressources, but for Israels security. Please remember Turkish Republic was one if the first countries who accepted Israel as state.
You can believe me Turkey could be a perfect intermediate between India-Pakistan and Israel - Palestinians. Why are we fighting and what for ? I want to see peace and wealth for all creatures HUMANs and Animals. Its scandalous that 80 global family clans have control of %60 of global monetary funds.
I am also a creation of Allah , God, Buddha call it as you want and was born innocent to this world. Best regards
You are obfuscating. Unlike Turkey, which continues to completely deny that any thing such as the Armenian Genocide ever happened; Germany actually acknowledges what occurred, and has discussed an apology with the descendants of victims (who rightly also want reparations - which remains a point of contention). In the case of Belgium, those were typical colonial crimes, but do not match the UN definition of a genocide. And again, Belgians today are ashamed and apologetic about the role of their country in those crimes; they don't actively lie and try to cover those incidents up.
That was a different Turkey which recognized Israel, and went on to become a good (Secret) friend of Israel; one that followed the secular principals of Ataturk, not the Islamist dictatorship of Erdogan. That Turkey was actually an example for much of the developing world and the Muslim world.
I've been perfectly focused, you brought up the Kurds which inevitably led to other topics sprinigng up, and once again, I was not the first to bring up the Armenian Genocide. As for Israel's security; you needn't worry about that, Israel has always stood the test of time and always will.
Now for intermediates; it's for the Israelis to decide whether they want you guys as brokers between them and the Palestinians, but India and Pakistan certainly don't need a broker. Our matters are strictly bilateral, no matter how much Pakistan may try to internationalize them or bring in other brokers; and that's how it will remain.
The final part of your comment is noble, and is difficult not to agree with.
I want to close this discussion, cause we already agreed that we disagree. You see all from the window of an US citizen.
Yes, they want reparation as Poland and Greece wants; but Germany rejects.
No, it was not a Genocide it was an Exodus. I don't want to go in details. You can read US Prof. Justin A. McCarthy on this topic.
It is easy to threaten neighbours with Nukes.
We can update this topic if this week anti-terror operations begin in Syria.
Syria threatens to 'destroy' Turkish warplanes
Syria threatens to 'destroy' Turkish warplanes
AFP•January 18, 2018
A Syrian Sukhoi Su-22 flies over a rebel-held area on the outskirts of Damascus in this file picture taken on November 18, 2017 (AFP Photo/Amer ALMOHIBANY)
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Damascus (AFP) - Deputy foreign minister Faisal Mekdad warned on Thursday that Syria's air force could destroy any Turkish warplanes used in a threatened assault on the war-torn country.
"We warn that the Syrian Air Force is ready to destroy Turkish air targets in the skies of Syria," Mekdad told reporters, according to Syria's official SANA news agency.
"We warn the Turkish leaders that if they start fighting in the region of Afrin, it will be seen as an aggression by the Turkish army against the sovereignty of Syria," he added.
Afrin is among the areas Turkey has said it will attack in northern Syria to target the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) militia.
Ankara accuses the YPG of being a branch of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) that has waged an insurgency in Turkey since 1984.
The US-led coalition fighting the Islamic State group said at the weekend it was working to create a 30,000-strong border security force in northern Syria.
Ankara immediately objected, fearing the new force would be comprised of the YPG.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said this week that Turkey had to "nip this terror army in the bud".
The United States later insisted it does not intend to create an army or conventional border guards.
Erdogan said on Monday that Turkey would soon begin an operation against towns in Syria controlled by Kurdish militia, calling the areas "nests" of terror.
"Tomorrow, (or) the day after, (or) within a short period, we will get rid of terror nests one-by-one in Syria starting with Afrin and Manbij" in northern Syria, he said in a televised speech.
Syria threatens to 'destroy' Turkish warplanes
AFP•January 18, 2018
A Syrian Sukhoi Su-22 flies over a rebel-held area on the outskirts of Damascus in this file picture taken on November 18, 2017 (AFP Photo/Amer ALMOHIBANY)
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Damascus (AFP) - Deputy foreign minister Faisal Mekdad warned on Thursday that Syria's air force could destroy any Turkish warplanes used in a threatened assault on the war-torn country.
"We warn that the Syrian Air Force is ready to destroy Turkish air targets in the skies of Syria," Mekdad told reporters, according to Syria's official SANA news agency.
"We warn the Turkish leaders that if they start fighting in the region of Afrin, it will be seen as an aggression by the Turkish army against the sovereignty of Syria," he added.
Afrin is among the areas Turkey has said it will attack in northern Syria to target the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) militia.
Ankara accuses the YPG of being a branch of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) that has waged an insurgency in Turkey since 1984.
The US-led coalition fighting the Islamic State group said at the weekend it was working to create a 30,000-strong border security force in northern Syria.
Ankara immediately objected, fearing the new force would be comprised of the YPG.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said this week that Turkey had to "nip this terror army in the bud".
The United States later insisted it does not intend to create an army or conventional border guards.
Erdogan said on Monday that Turkey would soon begin an operation against towns in Syria controlled by Kurdish militia, calling the areas "nests" of terror.
"Tomorrow, (or) the day after, (or) within a short period, we will get rid of terror nests one-by-one in Syria starting with Afrin and Manbij" in northern Syria, he said in a televised speech.
Syria threatens to 'destroy' Turkish warplanes
Syria threatens to 'destroy' Turkish warplanes
AFP•January 18, 2018
A Syrian Sukhoi Su-22 flies over a rebel-held area on the outskirts of Damascus in this file picture taken on November 18, 2017 (AFP Photo/Amer ALMOHIBANY)
More
Damascus (AFP) - Deputy foreign minister Faisal Mekdad warned on Thursday that Syria's air force could destroy any Turkish warplanes used in a threatened assault on the war-torn country.
"We warn that the Syrian Air Force is ready to destroy Turkish air targets in the skies of Syria," Mekdad told reporters, according to Syria's official SANA news agency.
"We warn the Turkish leaders that if they start fighting in the region of Afrin, it will be seen as an aggression by the Turkish army against the sovereignty of Syria," he added.
Afrin is among the areas Turkey has said it will attack in northern Syria to target the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) militia.
Ankara accuses the YPG of being a branch of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) that has waged an insurgency in Turkey since 1984.
The US-led coalition fighting the Islamic State group said at the weekend it was working to create a 30,000-strong border security force in northern Syria.
Ankara immediately objected, fearing the new force would be comprised of the YPG.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said this week that Turkey had to "nip this terror army in the bud".
The United States later insisted it does not intend to create an army or conventional border guards.
Erdogan said on Monday that Turkey would soon begin an operation against towns in Syria controlled by Kurdish militia, calling the areas "nests" of terror.
"Tomorrow, (or) the day after, (or) within a short period, we will get rid of terror nests one-by-one in Syria starting with Afrin and Manbij" in northern Syria, he said in a televised speech.
This is interesting. I wonder how will the Russians respond . For that matter , how will the US respond ?
Russia withdrew all his posts from Afrin. USA fortified yesterday Menbij with 1000 PKK terrorists from Kandil area and weapons.
Showdown soon to begin .
This time with Turkish air support. PKK /YPG is nothing . All know RAQQA was leveled, there was no success of YPG/PKK on the ground.
Yes. But this also means the Assad regime will put up a fight on behalf of the Kurds against the Turks . And it gets even better , the US would be protecting the Kurds as well .In effect both Assad and the US will be on the same side . When the entire Syrian crisis was instigated by the US and it's allies to get rid of the Assad regime . This isn't weird anymore . Its macabre and bizarre.
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No. Syria just now rejected YPG/PKK s proposal to surrender Afrin to SAA . Source : syrialivemap news
Two different administrations. I've always been a big backer of Trump when it comes to his approach to Syria. Obama and Clinton were morons of epic proportions to start this shit in Syria - and I thank our lucky stars every day for the fact that Clinton never became President. She would have caused the Syrian Civil War to go even farther out of control and basically handed over the country to ISIS in the process.