T-90 Bhishma / T-72 Ajeya of Indian Army : News and Discussions
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We dont need to as we have other type of ammo to do the same job and we are not up against Abrahms and equivalent tanks. But I do feel that forces against us will need them as Arjun has world class armour. 650mm wont penetrate Arjun hull. Infact Arjun does not even need ERA for protection.
Anyone has an idea what percentage of russian t-72 / t -90 tanks can fire Apfsds with longer penetrators able to pierce greater than 600 mm RHA...
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Indian tungsten shells currently do not go beyond 500-550mm at 2Km, 0 deg. Israeli T-72/90 shells are the best. Below that is the Russian Mango. Arjun's Mk1 ammo is inferior to the Mango. DRDO claims to have made more advanced "indigenous" shells for the T-90 with 500-550mm penetration, dunno its status.
European shells manage as much as 700mm with tungsten. I do not believe they have DU shells.
Russian shells have tungsten and DU. Their best tungsten shells do 750mm to as much as 900mm.
American shells are mostly all DU, so that's that. Those are upwards of 750mm and higher, crossing 1000mm now.
DRDO is making more a more advanced tungsten shell that is aimed to achieve 650mm for the Arjun, dunno where that's gone.
But what about Chinese tanks.. Their type 99 tanks have armour equivalent to 800 mm RHA..
It's simple actually. A shell cannot penetrate more than the size of its penetrator. So even if you build a shell that can do 800mm, you cannot fit it inside the T-90S's autoloader anyway.
Sadly a larger shell equivalent to NATO rounds doesn't exist. Or else DRDO would have revealed it long ago. This would also have pushed IA to get more Arjun Mk1/Mk1As.
Waiting for DRDO to reveal a new APFSDS shell at DefExpo 2020 alongwith updated Arjun Mk1A tank.
Fingers crossed.
Urrgggg what about APS ? Nothing about it in upgrades unfortunately. Why we aren't looking into Russian "Afghanit".
Will the new 125mm smoothbore gun be equivalent in terms of performance when compared to 2A46M-5 gun??
Vinod DX9 (@VinodDX9) Tweeted:
Remember my this tweet? Now that was realistic. DoP at 0° touching 650 mm RHAe isn't bad as even 2A46-M5 guns too can fire best that . We should try to cross 750 mm+ mark for new gun and that's great.
But 650 mm at 60° with existing gun is confusing
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Remember my this tweet? Now that was realistic. DoP at 0° touching 650 mm RHAe isn't bad as even 2A46-M5 guns too can fire best that . We should try to cross 750 mm+ mark for new gun and that's great.
But 650 mm at 60° with existing gun is confusing
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