Atleast you made an effort. Many Brahmins don't even make an effort to find out about their roots.
The Collision that Formed India: What genetics reveals about Indian origins
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Sir, if u don't think I am botherin you, can you pls share your knowledge regarding the Kavis of Vedic period like Kavi Ushanas (Shukracharya) who I believe were the ones who strongly influenced Zarathrustra to secede from the Vedic branch and starting his own line. I am confused after reading Witzel and Talageri who gave opposite views regarding the identification of Vistashpa and Ushanas in both RV and Gathas. And also the location of Iranian 'Airyanem Vaejah'.
The complete Pershians line is from India. Shukracharya and before that one more Rishi were expelled from India and they migrated to Iran and thereafter to Arab world. They became their Guru and that is why you hear Shukraan in Arabic. This separation happened during the time Rishi Brahaspati who married the elder daughter of Raja Daksha. Lord Shiva married the second Daighter of Raja Daksha whom we all call mata Shakti and after whom we have shakti sthals/peeth.
As per wiki
Zoorastrian population (total) : max estimate 1.9 lakh
Persian population (65%of iran population): 493 lakh
% of zoorastrian population = 0.24%
Still less than 2%
All Athrvan did not flee Persia.
There were only so many families the ships could carry out of Hormuz.
All other waves after that were overland, across the mountains.
Including getting the materials to consecrate new fires on the new land.
Contact between the Indian and Iranian priesthood continued for centuries.
In the form of formal theological treatises called riyavats (epistles).
For the first 400-500 years, the Iranian priesthood was the senior arm.
Cheers, Doc
Yes sir, the Persians are called 'Parasiikas' in Vedic literature. If I remember they along with Pakhtas( Pashtuns), Alinas, Bhrigus, Parshavas, Anavas, Bhalanas led by Purus rallied and fought against the Bharatas who won the Battle of Ten Kings ad were kicked out of Brahmavartha. There is a theory that the Iranians actually didn't inhabit the Saraswati- Sindhu basin but they lived in Gandhara and the southern slopes of Amu Darya (Vakshu Nadi). After the battle they were expelled out of Afghanistan, as u said, and hence they migrated west reluctantly ( who'd leave the fertile subcontinent and migrate to rough Iranian plateau!). Also explains the Shakti Peethas u mentioned, with the westernmost Peetha being the Hingalaj Mata (Nani devi) in Balochistan.
Our Sapta Sindhu is named in the list of places created by the creator divine they call Ahura Mazda.
I completely disagree with you here. The knowledge contained in your religious texts is inferior to our knowledge. How can a lower priesthood have higher knowledge.
Exactly. Bhalinis were present day baloch. Anavas became Yavanas and migrated to central asia and Europe. Pakhtas to present day north Afghanistan and area we call Khoran. Parashikas became Persians. The Anavas were later called the Kambhoj also. They got divided into two lines the Kambhoj and Yavana. It is for this reason that westerners have tried to argue that ANI is actually Central Asian/European lineage.
Because that's where Parsis came from. And continued to look to for guidance, till time flowed on, and the colony in India became bigger, and that in Persia went deeper into hiding.
This is all recorded history.
Kotval. Hodiwala. The Qissa-e-Sanjan itself. A Parsi scholar from the 15th century who wrote a detailed treatise on subcontinental faiths, including Islam and Judaism and Christianity. There are tons of references out there
Cheers, Doc
@vsdoc please share a paper/article on genetics of parsis. Would like to discuss on those aspects too.
Do you even know that an Indian contigent of Brahmins actually fought alongside Drius against Alexander? Do you know that even today we have place in Iraq, close to Baghdad called Al-Hindiya? We had a permanent garrison there of Brahmin warriors. Drius was able to escape the Battle of Gaugamela only because of this unit of Indian Brahmin cavalry? Please read about it.
Battle of Gaugamela - Wikipedia
Alexander could have pursued Darius at this point. However, he received desperate messages from Parmenion (an event that would later be used by Callisthenes and others to discredit Parmenion) on the left. Parmenion's wing was apparently encircled by the cavalry of the Persian right wing; being attacked from all sides, it was in a state of confusion. Alexander was faced with the choice of pursuing Darius and having the chance of killing him, ending the war in one stroke but at the risk of losing his army, or going back to the left flank to aid Parmenion and preserve his forces, thus letting Darius escape to the surrounding mountains. He decided to help Parmenion, and followed Darius later.[41]
While holding on the left, a gap had opened up between the left and center of the Macedonian phalanx, due to Simmias' brigade of pezhetairoi being unable to follow Alexander in his decisive attack, as they were being hard-pressed. The Persian and Indian cavalry in the center with Darius broke through. Instead of taking the phalanx or Parmenion in the rear, however, they continued towards the camp to loot. They also tried to rescue the Queen Mother, Sisygambis, but she refused to go with them. These raiders were in turn attacked and dispersed by the rear reserve phalanx as they were looting.
What happened next was described by Arrian as the fiercest engagement of the battle, as Alexander and his companions encountered the cavalry of the Persian right, composed of Indians, Parthians and "the bravest and most numerous division of the Persians", desperately trying to get through to escape. Sixty Companions were killed in the engagement, and Hephaestion, Coenus and Menidas were all injured. Alexander prevailed, however, and Mazaeus also began to pull his forces back as Bessus had. However, unlike on the left with Bessus, the Persians soon fell into disorder as the Thessalians and other cavalry units charged forward at their fleeing enemy.
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And please rename the thread as "Indo-Aryan & Iranian divide: Discussion".
Would be apt name for the discussion.
Sir, Porus was a Persian satrap.
Of course Indian troops fought under Persian generals. This is well known.
Refer to Arrian. Herodotus. Le Clare (will get the correct reference later).
Cheers, Doc
Aham Brahmasmi:
Now nothing left to say. Close this discussion!
Yes!
And Chadragupta was born in Madagascar. Chanakya was from Libya
Now nothing left to say. Close this discussion!
Yes!
And Chadragupta was born in Madagascar. Chanakya was from Libya
No, let it be. Coz this discussion of Vedic Aryan- Iranian divide will pop up every now and then. Also, the research on Urheimat is progressing at a good pace. We discovered many archaeological sites in TN,AP which are just beginning strides to nail this Aryan Invasion Theory for once and all. The nation should be taught it's true history. It's time to revise the curriculum and update it with latest findings.
This thread needs a name change, that's it.
Do you know any Hindu bois named Porus.
Tons of Parsi n Zoroastrian Porus bois.
Circumstantial / projecting / appropriation of history I hear you say.
Cool.
Cheers, Doc
NO. Persian kings did not trust their own and always maintained a very strong Indian contigent as their most trusted. The Brahmin Indian cavalry was exclusively made up of Mohiyal Brahmins with Dutta Brahmins as the majority. The Persia extended to present day Irag and Syria. This land was called Persia. The Shias even today take the name of one Rihab Sidh Dutt in their first Namaz. he was the Brahmin who ran away with the head of Hussain to Syria and sacrificed his six sons to bring back the head to Karbala.
These same Brahmins were from the extended family of King Purosottam Dutt also known as Porus. Porus and King Dahir were both Brahmin kings from Bhardwaj Gotra. AND we all know about what happened to Alexander in the battle against Porus. He was comprehensively defeated and his army lost the fighting spirit.
Yes. We ned to completely destroy the narrative set in by Nehru in his letters to Indira which became a serial called-History of India.
This shit about AIT is wrong. Whole of India was one and there was no north-south divide. The word Dravidian was coined in 18th century by an idiot european and after that people in south stuck to it.
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