Arrian says Persian satrap. Among five others.
Porushaspa.
Arrian was there. He was a chronicler. Not a historian.
Cheers, Doc
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Arrian says Persian satrap. Among five others.
Porushaspa.
Arrian was there. He was a chronicler. Not a historian.
Cheers, Doc
Vishtaspa / Vehtaspa is also Persian. How many Parsis sport that name? Besides Porus is how the Greeks referred to him. The Greeks obviously would know Porus thru the Persian sources for that's how the Persians referred to him. We don't have any Indian sources corroborating Porus or his existence. Besides, Ambhi was an Indian king of Taxila / Takshashila. How many Indians sport a name like Ambhi or Chandragupta Or even Bindusara.
How long will you keep regurgitating the same old stuff ? We had this discussion around 1.5 years back when you last made an appearance in this forum. All I see in this thread are confirmational biases. Less of history and more of myth making / mythology.
Arrian, Herodotus and Le Clare call him a Persian satrap. Leading Indian troops in the Punjab.
Not Indian general or king like every other source out there.
Persian satrap. Among 5 others. All Persian.
All reinstated by Alexander post his purge.
In addition to matrimonial alliances as he made his way back.
Or started to.
Cheers, Doc
Being a Persian satrap and of Persian ethnicity are two different things. I hope you realise that.
He was not a satrap but a friend of Darius. A kind of friendship to support eachother. Why do you think Alexander changed his route after gaugamela to central Asia and not ride directly to India which was his main aim? It was the thrashing he got by Indians in gaugamela which made him go elsewhere and increase his strength before taking on such ferocius people.
In one of the threads here about the Battle of Hydespas, I had stated that what saved the day for us against Alexander and what made Indians the most ferocious was our Varna system. Those who came to fight had a tradition as warriors and they came to the battleground with a reputation of their families. They were not the kind who will wilt or runaway from battle. Alexander and his army had never fought a battle that lasted anything more than 2-3 hours. Here he was fighting from sunrise till sunset and no one yielding or running away from the battlefield. he sent six emissaries to Porus to ask for ceasefire and talks only to be refused.
@Austerlitz and @Joe sherar had posted about that battle here and I had a very long argument with them. Search the thread and you will find it.
@Mods can you please post the link.
Read the Mohiyal Brahmin history and you will know about who Porus was. It is very clearly written record of Mohiyal Brahmins.
purshottam sahab thy woh Ram ke descendant from suryavanshi background but hardly matters he was a human like we are. What's the deal?
That's because most of our corpus survived unlike the Persians, but those who maintained it were targetted. It is not the case of Zoroastrians where, the corpus is targetted and people were forcibly converted. The invaders understood the need to get rid of the priestly and warrior communities if they want to establish their domain on this soil and work on their agenda.
Look at how the warrior and priestly class were compromised in Goan Inquisition and the fall of Konkan ensued.
Surprisingly most Konkan Brahmins who converted to Christianity during such inquisitions have retained their last names. Just like the Pakistanis who retained Jatt, Rajput, Khatri etc last names after forced conversions.
Lord Rama himself was a descendent of Brahmins. I had explained that in one of the posts here. King Prasenjit of Ikshwaku lineage in the 14th genetration lost Ayodhya to Kambhoj. He somehow managed to run away to Rishi Bhardwaj's ashram in Prayagraj and asked him for help. As per the treaty between Kshatriyas and Rishi Kashyap after Lord Parshurama had completed his wow, Brahmins were supposed to carry weapons but were authorised to use them only if the Dharma was under threat or when directly asked for by the Kshatriya king. In return, Kshatriyas took a wow that they will act as per dharma and protect cows and Brahmins.
So Rishi Bhardwaj asked him to stay put in his ashram and led a charge with his 72 shishyas against Kambhoj. Defeated them and blocked their retreat. They ran away to what we now call Combodia. Rishi Bhardwaj restored the Ayodhya kingdom back to King Prasenjit.
Our corpus was burned down in Vikramshila and Nalanda. What survived were essentially liturgical Vedic texts , some parts of Ayurveda, Vedic mathematics, some sciences, Yoga, etc. Because this corpus wasn't isolated in some university but was fairly wide spread.
As far as the Persians go, not much of their liturgical texts survived for around the time of Alexander's invasioninvasion as not much would've been committed to writing. By the time of the Arab invasion too, the Persian society was highly stratified and pluralistic. We labour under the mistaken belief that Persian people = Zoroastrianism. That's a myth. There were dozens of local cults each with a strong base and adherents. Zoroastrianism was the state religion and in all probability was the majority religion. But the Persian empire more specifically Persia itself had quite a significant population of Christians, devotees of the cult of Mithra, etc.
No Konkani Brahmin from Goa who's converted to Christianity has ever retained their caste surnames .The Inquisition and subsequent practises prohibited that.All they've retained is a memory of their previous affiliation & strong sense of attachment to their former caste.
Further, it's a myth that Islam spread in India solely by the sword. The sword definitely did it's share in converting people. Sufi missionaries did play a role. The oppresive caste system played its part too. Finally economic inducements to convert, the poll tax - jazia played an important part too. All these played an important part in getting the Persians to convert too. Just that in the case of India, northern and North western India ( including Pakistan & half of Afghanistan) were under the direct rule of the Turco Afghans for a considerable period of time . This wasn't true of the rest of India. Add to that the sheer magnitude & diversity of the people and the sheer resistance put up by them for more than a millenium and you'd have an idea why Islam didn't succeed in completely transplanting Hinduism in India. Incidentally, all those areas which converted whole sale to Islam notably Pakistan, parts of Afghanistan and Bangladesh were precisely those areas where Buddhism flourished.
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Roman Catholic Brahmin - Wikipedia
Many did retain surnames, though they adopted Catholic firstnames.
What people know but don't like about Brahmins is that we do not fight for land or money, we fight for our Dharma. AND no invader will ever like it.
Pls read the article again. It disproves what you've written and confirms what I've stated in my previous post. Apart from a miniscule minority the vast majority carry Portuguese surnames and as I've stated earlier, a strong memory of their past caste affiliation.
Brilliant.
I have so much to share. But know I cannot now without divulging more than I want to.
This thread and topic is forever more - in my mind now and henceforth - the Hindutva weaponisation of Fuvking.
Reached halfway through the essay and events from 10 years ago are flooding back ....
More later. Need more coffee.
Cheers, Doc
Brilliant!
I have so much to share. But know I cannot now without divulging more than I want to.
This thread and topic is forever more - in my mind now and henceforth - the Hindutva weaponisation of Fuvking.
Reached halfway through the essay and events from 10 years ago are flooding back ....
More later. Need more coffee.
Cheers, Doc
Brilliant!
Yes. The Konkani Brahmins were butchered enmass and forced to change their religion and also names.
over 20% of Persian populatioin has Indian DNA and rest have Arabic. This shows the time when they separated from Indian population. Larger Arabic DNA suits the Indian Vedic narrative that we threw you out and you were forced to live and cohabitate with Arabs. This explains the larger time frame and larger share of Arabic blood in Persians. In one of the battles against invading Arabs, Indians went and supported Persians. That battle took place in what we call Khorasan today. To the shock of Indians, Persians ran away with their tails between their legs. So much for their stupid claim to bravery of anykind.
The Indic and Arabic DNA came in the last 1350 years.
An early post if mine already alludes to that.
And how the absence of strict endogamy in the laiety (post Islam especially) contributed to that admixture further.
There was a battle more recently against Islamic forces in Gujarat. Hindu and Parsi armies fighting shoulder to shoulder.
The Parsis were stunned when the Hindu forces retreated, leaving them outnumbered in the midst of pitched battle. Though I do not recall whether there were tails or if there were, where they were tucked.
Anyways ...
The Parsis fought on. To the end. This is recorded Parsi and shared Rajput history. Medieval.
Back to the paper.
Cheers, Doc
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I have only one question to @vsdoc .
Why have u sought refuge in India, and India alone, when attacked by Islamic invaders despite having a lot of kigdoms which were under Persian sphere of influence?
I believe it has something to do with memory. Memory of ur ancestors who knew that they are no different from the Vedic Hindus and branched off in a moment of rage. I think ur ancestors knew India was their land before they were kicked out due to conflicting philosophical views and that's the reason why they returned to Bharat- their homeland, killing their ego and pride.
Welcome ur observations.
Of course.
This is documented clearly. Written records. In the words of our priests.
India has always been the land of our sons.
It's why for 5000 years no Persian army marched on India.
Nor the reverse.
Cheers, Doc
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