The Collision that Formed India: What genetics reveals about Indian origins

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Sandeep0159 said:
Even today we maintain the original homeland of Aryans or watever the west call us is Saraswati belt. Civilisations sprung along river belts and it is an established fact. Most probably the home of Aryans/ Urheimat is Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, Gujarat/Sindh. With Kashmir as the most sacred land of Aryavarta. So sacred it is that even those students of Gurukuls from our holiest city Varanasi used to BOW towards the direction of Kashmira in reverance after their formal education coz it is the home of Sharda/ Maa Saraswati. So no, Steppes origin is farce. Kashmir it must be.
Panini is from Swat(named after river Suvastu),in modern day Khyber Pakhtunkwa. Urheimat is Bharat. We went out of India and mixed with locals over there. That's the reason why there never were references of Steppes as our home in Vedas, but we revered Saraswati like some 50 plus times in the same Vedas. Even if the consensus is between Ghagra-Hakkar in India and Helmand river in Afghanistan, still it validates Indigenous Aryan theory. Because, Afghanistan was Hindu for millennia before Zoroastrianism,Buddhism and later Islam took over the reigns.
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I need to clarify.

I said both sides do not accept a steppes branch-out ....

That is not the same thing as not accepting a common origin.

Just that our ideas if where the split happened and in which direction.

Hope that clarifies.

Cheers, Doc
 
Sandeep0159 said:
Ofcourse, sir.
But remember our influence till Tocharia.
Tocharian alphabet is Brahmic i.e derived from Brahmi script. A fact many don't know.
So, yes our influence was marked too.

Tocharian alphabet - Wikipedia
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The western world even today calls their numerals as Arabic but we Indians taught Arabs and they in turn taught Europe about numerals. Europeans and Arabs could not count anything beyond hundred. We gave them the concept of Zero and thru that the decimals and negative and positive values. But our friend @vsdoc still wants us to believe that Persians were original Aryans. My bloody foot.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
The western world even today calls their numerals as Arabic but we Indians taught Arabs and they in turn taught Europe about numerals. Europeans and Arabs could not count anything beyond hundred. We gave them the concept of Zero and thru that the decimals and negative and positive values. But our friend @vsdoc still wants us to believe that Persians were original Aryans. My bloody foot.
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All Persians look alike.

Do all Hindus look alike?

If the movement to Persia was after India, then why is one population morphologically homogeneous in spite of branching out from a mixed population?

The answer is simple.

But politics and the weaponisation of copulation would turn biology on its head.

As the research and the compromise made for access to samples and publication rights (controlled by the state) shows.

Need I say more?

Did you actually read the Op? I'm hoping you do. You're an intelligent man ... gifted by blood.

You'll do the math.

I'm still not done reading it. I keep getting tags ...

Cheers, Doc
 
vstol Jockey said:
The western world even today calls their numerals as Arabic but we Indians taught Arabs and they in turn taught Europe about numerals. Europeans and Arabs could not count anything beyond hundred. We gave them the concept of Zero and thru that the decimals and negative and positive values. But our friend @vsdoc still wants us to believe that Persians were original Aryans. My bloody foot.
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That is 100% true Chachaji the western world it seems wants to delete every contribution of Sanatanis from history. They even claim that science and scientific methods originated from the island of Ionia.
 
Janardan Shukla said:
I was referring to my second reply sir. Please have a look.
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Agni?

Then you need to read more about the pantheon of Gods of Persians and its evolution in Vedic times, and eventually Puranic.

There is a lot of material out there and we have discussed it here in this very forum in the past.

This thread could get cluttered up with linguistics, early texts, Gods and pantheon of deities, etc.

While the paper in the OP itself is powerful enough in its own right to merit an independent thread. And discussion.

And it's from 2018. Very little as ground breaking as recent I know of. Would be happy to read and participate in anything of similar impact as well.

Hope you understand.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
Yeh pheeka tha bhai.

Aapne kabaddi kheli ...

Cheers, Doc
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India is the original rashtra. Do you know from where the concept of Rashtra has come? It has come from previous Manu in the Markanday Durga Saptsathi. We Bhardwaj have our isht devi as Mata shakti and our Isht Deva as Lord Shiva. We do not worship Lord Vishnu as our guiding Lord. However we worship him as one of the Gods. We are Shaiva and belive in Nirankaar. Formless god. Unity of universe.
 
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India is the original rashtra. Do you know from where the concept of Rashtra has come? It has come from previous Manu in the Markanday Durga Saptsathi. We Bhardwaj have our isht devi as Mata shakti and our Isht Deva as Lord Shiva. We do not worship Lord Vishnu as our guiding Lord. However we worship him as one of the Gods. We are Shaiva and belive in Nirankaar. Formless god. Unity of universe.
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Why do Indians have two distinct genetic ancestries to only one for Persians.

Why do Indians have two distinct language families to only one for Persians.

Why does Sanskrit have Tamil loan words but Avestan does not. How old is Tamil?

So many questions.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
Why do Indians have two distinct genetic ancestries to only one for Persians.

Why do Indians have two distinct language families to only one for Persians.

Why does Sanskrit have Tamil loan words but Avestan does not. How old is Tamil?

So many questions.

Cheers, Doc
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How funny your are! Do you guys ahve one genetic ancestors? Compare the genetic ancestors of Vedic People with that of Persians in the same time period. You will find that will fall in the 20% which have Indian DNA in them. The muslims of Persia are also persians and the DNA make up of so called persia includes Arabic DNA. You need to explain why and how you have Arabic DNA in you.
The ARTICLE POSTED BY you very clearly states that ANI is more closely associated with ANI. Do you know the limits of Aryavrat? Read about it. Out of India is what happened. Even Romas of Romania and the so called Gypsies are Indian. The Eastern Europeans in Czech republic have Indian Jaat DNA in them. Gazhni was established by a Jaat king called Maharaja Gaj sign in sixth century and over time it became Gajni/Gazhni. How can you explain the earliest mention of Kambhoj and Ashwagana in the times of Lord Rama?
 
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vsdoc said:
Why do Indians have two distinct genetic ancestries to only one for Persians.
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Indians have wat!


vsdoc said:
Why do Indians have two distinct language families to only one for Persians
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What does it have to do with the context? Tamil and Sanskrit are classical languages. But, Vedas were written in Sanskrit only. Later they were translated into Tamil.
Where is Avestan now? Don't say it survives in Farsi. Lol.


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Why does Sanskrit have Tamil loan words but Avestan does not.
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That's because ur ancestors bugged off before Tamizh and Sanskrit had mutual influence due to social interaction. It's not my problem, ask ur ancestors. I understand Tamizh, my native is Telugu- another Dravidian language. I can guarantee u that Telugu is the most Sanskritises language out there. We use some Sanskrit loan words in Telugu which are lost even in Hindi.
I speak Hindi too. So, I have connect with both the language families. And again I reiterate, not my problem if ur ancestors didn't learn Tamizh.
 
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@vsdoc talk abt the sages/ gurus in Zoroastrianism.
I have a list of all the Saptharishis, Indras of all the Seven Manvantharas in the present Svetha Varaha Kalpa.

Atharva-Angiras gave us fire worship. Kavi Ushanas( Shukra) learnt Mritasanjeevani(bringing back dead to life) frm Mahadev himself. Brihaspati gave astro sutras. Viswamithra gave Gayatri Mantra. Bhrigu gave us Bhrigu Naadi. Vashista and Gautama gave us Dharmasutras.
We have a list of rishis to cherish.

Tell me ur story.
 
vstol Jockey said:
India is the original rashtra. Do you know from where the concept of Rashtra has come? It has come from previous Manu in the Markanday Durga Saptsathi. We Bhardwaj have our isht devi as Mata shakti and our Isht Deva as Lord Shiva. We do not worship Lord Vishnu as our guiding Lord. However we worship him as one of the Gods. We are Shaiva and belive in Nirankaar. Formless god. Unity of universe.
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Sir, u follow Advaita propounded by Shri Adishankaracharya?
 
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