The Future of the EU

Okay, all right.
That's part and parcel of running an economy. That's how wasteful expenditures are culled when industrialists become too dependent on something that's not under natural order, like subsidies. The entire thing is dependent on the limits of the economy.
You either support state oversight or control of industries, or you don't.

Any state control/oversight/regulation of industries, whether private or public, is antithetical to the most prominent right-wing economic models based on monetarism.

Thatcher and Reagan adopted that model, which is the opposite of what Presidents Park and Chun followed with their more Soviet-style centrally planned economy. It went beyond providing subsidies and involved planning and finance ministries dictating production and expansion plans to the private sector.

So, yeah, that's part and parcel of running an economy, and that's not right-wing economics. Further, the most prominent macro-economic model followed by both the right and the left today (in most successful nations) is Keynesian, and all Keynesian models go against the free-market decision-making that the "rightists" preach about.

As always, for anyone wishing to delve a bit deeper than "leftists bad", refer to Chapters 19 and 24 of "The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money", by John Keynes. For anyone wishing a summarized version, go through the following link:


SoKo went through the same process, but with a more heavy hand. It was even worse in Singapore. But whatever they did was successful.
Whatever they did was counter to monetarism, free market economics that forms the bedrock of "rightist" economic arguments today.

And more regulations, more state control over industrial decisions and more state intervention in the money markets is the primary distinguishing feature between modern, mainstream "leftist" and "rightist" economics.

Once you take care of the foundation of the country, everything else fits into the system seamlessly.
Ah, unrelated thread but that explains the essential stagnation in India's education budget since 2019. No better way to take care of the foundation of the country than to freeze budgets (or in the case of higher education, actually slash budgets for the best institutes you have). Right, sure.

The leftists killed JFK's fitness program and introduced body positivity.
Again, where's the accountability??

The leftists killed it, what was stopping the "rightists" from resurrecting it? The right-wing (the Republicans) held power in the US for 32 out of the 51 years since Kennedy's death. Why didn't they bring it back instead of crying about it?

This is why a successful right wing govt is scary to all other forms of govt.
Yeah, which is why the Red Army was the biggest threat to all governments in Western Europe for 4 decades. It sure as hell wasn't a successful right-wing government.

All 'cause you will find obesity even in China, but not in SoKo and Japan, the two best examples of right wing, despite very similar genetics.
Again, with the random snippets.

Fine, for 2016 numbers from the CIA Factbook, obesity rates were 6.2% in China, 4.7% in South Korea and 4.3% in Japan. For more recent 2022 numbers, as per worldobesity.org (different org, so different methodology), obesity rates were 8.37% in China, 7.24% in South Korea and 5.57% in Japan.

These variations are more statistical discrepancies than indicators of ideological alignments deciding obesity rates, not to mention the vast difference in population levels, wealth/income levels, healthcare access, income inequality, etc. between Japan/South Korea and China, despite genetic similarities.

If one were to ignore every other variable and go by something so astoundingly reductive, one might as well argue this:

All 10 out of the 10 most obese states in the United States are solidly right-wing, and Republican (in order: West Virginia, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Oklahoma, Indiana, Iowa, Tennessee, Nebraska).

And 9 out of the 10 least obese states are liberal, leftist, and Democratic (in order: DC, Colorado, Hawaii, Massachusetts, California, New York, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut). And the 10th is Florida.

So yeah, lets ignore all variables, and hail reductive logic: leftist state governments are better at controlling obesity than their rightist counterparts.

India is barely where China was in the mid-2000s.
And India is straining to maintain 6-6.5% y-o-y compared to China's 9-10% in the mid-2000s.

In India too, the incorruptible and progressive nature of the right wing has made people more free, capital has been flowing even more freely, both human and financial, and this has allowed the govt to punch way above its weight class in the international arena
That's not getting reflected in the capital crunch, falling deposit levels, and nosediving foreign investments for some reason.
 
Okay, all right.

You either support state oversight or control of industries, or you don't.

Any state control/oversight/regulation of industries, whether private or public, is antithetical to the most prominent right-wing economic models based on monetarism.

Thatcher and Reagan adopted that model, which is the opposite of what Presidents Park and Chun followed with their more Soviet-style centrally planned economy. It went beyond providing subsidies and involved planning and finance ministries dictating production and expansion plans to the private sector.

So, yeah, that's part and parcel of running an economy, and that's not right-wing economics. Further, the most prominent macro-economic model followed by both the right and the left today (in most successful nations) is Keynesian, and all Keynesian models go against the free-market decision-making that the "rightists" preach about.

As always, for anyone wishing to delve a bit deeper than "leftists bad", refer to Chapters 19 and 24 of "The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money", by John Keynes. For anyone wishing a summarized version, go through the following link:


Both systems are fine. For example, in India most fuel suppliers are state controlled. And they work for the benefit of the people, profits are a secondary goal, which means they sometimes sell at a loss in order to not burden the people when prices go up.

The same with BSNL, a state-owned telecom company that provides cell services. They provide services where the market is not profitable, and they ensure there is connectivity during disasters while private companies prevent sending people over in order to prevent paying higher insurance premiums.

Otoh, most Indians prefer private services over govt in pretty much every field.

As long as it makes sense, and there's balance, it tends to work out.

Whatever they did was counter to monetarism, free market economics that forms the bedrock of "rightist" economic arguments today.

And more regulations, more state control over industrial decisions and more state intervention in the money markets is the primary distinguishing feature between modern, mainstream "leftist" and "rightist" economics.

No. They exercised some kinds of monetary control, that's really about it.

There is some centralization, based on resources, but most of the stuff that makes them rich is via free market enterprise.

India too has a far more centralised economy than either one, but we still consider it free market. China used to be one too, the free market sector was good, but the main industries are centralized, a true leftist system with some flexibility.

So if you compare China to Singapore, SoKo and India, the latter have free market systems in varying degrees.

Ah, unrelated thread but that explains the essential stagnation in India's education budget since 2019. No better way to take care of the foundation of the country than to freeze budgets (or in the case of higher education, actually slash budgets for the best institutes you have). Right, sure.

As India's been getting richer, the population is opting for private schools in greater numbers.

In 2021-22, private unaided schools accounted for over 32 percent of total schools imparting education in India. In higher education, 67.51 percent of 1,385 universities and 37.81 percent of 60,127 colleges in India are private.

Education is really important for Indians, so parents are willing to sacrifice for better education.

Schools, 54% are in govt schools, 46% in private.

Also, a lot of these govt schools are just hotbeds of corruption, so the true number is lower.

In any case, India is still leftist. Although a right wing govt is in power, over 60 years of leftist rule has ruined quite a bit of our country. Education reform was carried out only recently called NEP 2020.


Also, unlike my examples of Hitler and JFK, India is still a very poor country with limited resources, so you cannot expect education standards to suddenly get better magically. But the right wing tends to take it in the right direction over time. NEP 2020's goal is to push 50% of the youth into colleges by 2035.

Again, where's the accountability??

The leftists killed it, what was stopping the "rightists" from resurrecting it? The right-wing (the Republicans) held power in the US for 32 out of the 51 years since Kennedy's death. Why didn't they bring it back instead of crying about it?

They have been trying to. That's why both Vivek Ramaswamy and now Trump want to move education under state subject.

The DoE was founded in 1979 under leftist Jimmy Carter.

Upgrading Education to cabinet-level status in 1979 was opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as unconstitutional, arguing that the Constitution does not mention education, and deemed it an unnecessary and illegal federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs. However, many see the department as constitutional under the Commerce Clause, and that the funding role of the department is constitutional under the Taxing and Spending Clause. The National Education Association supported the bill, while the American Federation of Teachers opposed it.

During the 1980 presidential campaign, Gov. Reagan called for the total elimination of the U.S. Department of Education, severe curtailment of bilingual education, and massive cutbacks in the federal role in education. Once in office, President Reagan significantly reduced its budget.

The Republican Party platform of 1980 called for the elimination of the Department of Education created under Carter, and President Ronald Reagan promised during the 1980 presidential election to eliminate it as a cabinet post,[26] but he was not able to do so with a Democratic House of Representatives.[27] In the 1982 State of the Union Address, he pledged: "The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education."


Reagan obviously lacked the mandate.

And then under the two Bushes, I guess the Global Elite got to them. And then it was revived under Ramaswamy's campaign and now Trump.

Yeah, which is why the Red Army was the biggest threat to all governments in Western Europe for 4 decades. It sure as hell wasn't a successful right-wing government.

It wasn't successful anyway, died out pretty quickly. The SU was always a house of cards.

Give any left wing system enough time, it will dig its own grave. India was headed towards financial collapse and balkanization only 10 years ago. Maybe it's exaggerated, but we were still very close to financial collapse.

Again, with the random snippets.

Fine, for 2016 numbers from the CIA Factbook, obesity rates were 6.2% in China, 4.7% in South Korea and 4.3% in Japan. For more recent 2022 numbers, as per worldobesity.org (different org, so different methodology), obesity rates were 8.37% in China, 7.24% in South Korea and 5.57% in Japan.

These variations are more statistical discrepancies than indicators of ideological alignments deciding obesity rates, not to mention the vast difference in population levels, wealth/income levels, healthcare access, income inequality, etc. between Japan/South Korea and China, despite genetic similarities.

If one were to ignore every other variable and go by something so astoundingly reductive, one might as well argue this:

All 10 out of the 10 most obese states in the United States are solidly right-wing, and Republican (in order: West Virginia, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Oklahoma, Indiana, Iowa, Tennessee, Nebraska).

And 9 out of the 10 least obese states are liberal, leftist, and Democratic (in order: DC, Colorado, Hawaii, Massachusetts, California, New York, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut). And the 10th is Florida.

So yeah, lets ignore all variables, and hail reductive logic: leftist state governments are better at controlling obesity than their rightist counterparts.

The US has the obesity gene.

China's obesity rate is very poor compared to the far richer Japanese and SoKo societies.

Also, 2016 is too far back.

In 2022, the proportion of overweight and obese adults in China reached 50.7%

SoKo:

The overall prevalence of obesity in 2021 is 38.4% (49.2% in men and 27.8% in women), which is a 1.27-fold increase from 30.2% in 2012.


Also, these rates are for those with BMI over 25, not 30.

So it's a problem when a large chunk of China's population (at least 30%) is too poor to afford junk food, and the obesity rate is much higher than a neighboring developed country where pretty much the entire population can easily afford junk food. You know it's going to get worse from there in the next 10 years. In India, Western junk food is expensive.

The reason being schools in Japan and SoKo care about the concept of healthy mind, healthy body, preached by the right wing.

And India is straining to maintain 6-6.5% y-o-y compared to China's 9-10% in the mid-2000s.

But from a higher base.

India's current rate of growth is 7-8% and is expected to maintain that momentum for many decades, as long as the BJP stays in power for at least one more term after this one. China's growth fizzled out before they got rich due to their poor population control measures. And due to low population, quite a bit of their wealth is inflated.

That's not getting reflected in the capital crunch, falling deposit levels, and nosediving foreign investments for some reason.

Um...


Capital crunch is due to external factors, and it's not a lot.
 
Germany, “Die Welt”: AfD’s electoral program includes exit from the EU and the Euro

The Federal Program Committee of Alternative for Germany (AfD) has reportedly approved the demands for Germany to leave the European Union and the euro system. This is what the German newspaper “Die Welt” reports, which has access to the final draft of the electoral program. “We consider Germany’s withdrawal from the European Union and the creation of a new European community to be necessary. The EU should be replaced by an Economic and Interest Group (WIG). The transition to the new WIG should therefore be negotiated consensually with both the old EU partner states and the new stakeholders,” the draft states.

Regarding the exit from the euro, the document states that “AfD is aware that the reintroduction of a stable national currency cannot happen without conversion costs. However, these will be lower than the permanent costs of remaining in the euro system”.

 
JD Vance shows the true face of democracy in the EU in a speech in Munich. Definite must watch.

And Germany has reinstituted the Gestapo like the UK has. Arresting people for memes.

Georgescu is likely to win the Romanian elections.

AfD is doing quite well in Germany. The 2024 result could repeat in 2025.