The Indian Navy's MH-60R & Naval Dhruv UHM Helicopters

That's true but i don't remember him getting wrong on these kinds of subjects.

It's less about being wrong or right, and more about spreading misinformation deliberately.

So whatever Shukla says, we need to wait for another to corroborate with his story.

Not correct.

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HAL has started an internal program to add auto-folding and other naval features. I think they even reduced the All up weight to fill in the requirements.

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My bad then. I think the IAF's program is 3T then.
 
Exclusive: India readying $2.6 billion U.S. naval helicopter deal ahead of Trump trip

By Sanjeev Miglani
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FILE PHOTO: A man holds the flags of India and the U.S. while people take part in the 35th India Day Parade in New York August 16, 2015. Reuters/Eduardo Munoz/File Photo.

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India is set to give final approval to a $2.6 billion deal for military helicopters from U.S. defense firm Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) ahead of a proposed visit by U.S. President Donald Trump this month, defense and industry sources said.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government is trying to pull out all the stops for Trump's trip in a bid to reaffirm strategic ties between the two countries, which have been buffeted by sharp differences over trade, to counter China.

India's defense purchases from the United States have reached $17 billion since 2007 as it has pivoted away from traditional supplier Russia, looking to modernize its military and narrow the gap with China.

Modi's cabinet committee on security is expected to clear the purchase of 24 MH-60R Seahawk helicopters for the Indian navy in the next two weeks, a defense official and an industry source briefed on the matter separately told Reuters.

"It's a government-to-government deal, it is close," said the industry source.

To cut short lengthy negotiations between Lockheed and the Indian government, the helicopters that will be deployed on India's warships will be bought through the U.S. foreign military sales route, under which the two governments will agree details of the deal.

Trump is expected in India around Feb 24 on his first official visit to the country, although no formal announcement has yet been made.

Both countries are separately working on a limited trade agreement ahead of the trip, after earlier imposing tit-for-tat tariffs on each other's imports.

Trump has called India the "tariff king of the world" but the Modi government has been trying to address some of his concerns.

Trade officials have pointed to large-scale U.S. arms purchases, from surveillance planes to Apache and Chinook helicopters, as proof of India's willingness to tighten strategic ties.

The multi-role helicopters will be equipped with Hellfire missiles and are meant to help the Indian navy track submarines in the Indian Ocean, where China is expanding its presence.

Many of India's warships are without any helicopters because of years of under funding, and the navy had sought their acquisition as a top priority.

The government outlined only a modest rise in its 2020/21 defense spending to $73.65 billion in the budget on Feb. 1, of which a part will go toward making a down payment on the helicopter purchase, a defense official said.

"We expect a positive announcement soon on the helicopters," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of service rules. "There are limited resources, but there is an allocation."


The U.S. State Department approved the sale of the choppers to India last year along with radars, torpedoes and 10 AGM-114 Hellfire missiles.

The clearance came after the Trump administration rolled out a new "Buy American" plan in 2018 that had relaxed restrictions on sales, saying it would bolster the American defense industry and create jobs at home.

The United States has also offered India the armed version of Guardian drones that were originally authorized for sale as unarmed for surveillance purposes, the first such approval for a country outside the NATO alliance.

India plans to buy 30 of these unmanned aircraft for surveillance of the Indian Ocean, at a cost estimated to be about $2.5 billion, from General Atomics.

However, the defense official said the deal is unlikely immediately because of lack of funds.

Exclusive: India readying $2.6 billion U.S. naval helicopter deal ahead of Trump trip
 
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$2.6 billion deal for 24 MH-60 `Romeo’
“India will pay an initial 15% instalment for the MH-60R helicopters under the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) government-to-government deal. Once the contract is inked, the first lot of the choppers will be delivered in two years. All 24 will come in four to five years,” said a source.
The MH-60Rs, which are armed with Hellfire missiles, MK-54 torpedoes and precision-kill rockets, are considered a “critical operational necessity” for the Navy because its warships are virtually bereft of such helicopters at a time when Chinese nuclear and diesel-electric submarines are making regular forays into the Indian Ocean Region.

Source : On eve of Trump's visit, India finalises $3.5 billion defence deals to be inked with US - Times of India
 
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BAE Systems APKWS Guided Rockets Debut In Indian Service On Naval MH-60Rs

By Shiv Aroor
Feb 19 2020, 7:39 pm
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The 24 Lockeed-Martin Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters for the Indian Navy, expected to be contracted next week when U.S. President Donald Trump is in India, will bring into service a weapon that BAE Systems Inc. has pitched to the Indian forces for years — the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) laser-guided rocket.

In December 2019, the U.S. Navy signed a $2.68 billion deal with BAE Systems for the large-scale supply of additional APKWS rockets. The Indian Navy has asked for 38 rockets, and will presumably consider purchasing more later. The APKWS is currently deployed on the U.S. Navy’s MH-60S and MH-60R helicopters. The Indian Navy has had a chance to view performance of the APKWS during joint exercises with the United States in the last few years.

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An Indian Navy officer briefed on the APKWS at Aero India 2019

The APKWS is described by BAE Systems as the U.S. Government’s only program of record for 2.75-inch laser-guided rockets — one that ‘transforms an unguided 2.75-inch (70 millimeter) rocket into a precision-guided rocket that gives rotary- and fixed-wing military aircraft a low-cost surgical strike capability’. BAE Systems has pitched the APKWS system as a munition upgrade to the Indian Air Force’s AH-64E Apache, HAL Rudra and soon to be contracted Light Combat Helicopter, as well as fighter platforms. The APKWS was first showcased in India during the 2015 Aero India show.


Apart from the APKWS, the upcoming $2.6 billion deal for 24 MH-60R for the Indian Navy will also include AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, the Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile (NSM-HL) for the anti-ship role and Raytheon MK54 torpedoes. India’s DRDO is currently developing an short-range anti-ship missile, the NASM-SR, a weapon clearly intended for the MH-60R fleet as well as the much larger Naval Multirole Helicopter (NMRH) program which, if and when it moves forward on proposed lines, is positioned to be a prospective contest between the MH-60R and the Airbus H225M Caracal.

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Model of the Kongsberg NSM-HL on an MH-60R / Photo by James Drew

Significantly, the MH-60R deal will be India’s first contract with the United States after it signed the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) in 2018. As a result, the Indian MH-60Rs will be fitted with a variety of encrypted voice, transponder and communications equipment that has been, as a matter of policy, held off aircraft supplied before the COMCASA. This propriety equipment on the Indian Navy MH-60Rs includes AN/ARC-210 RT-1990A(C) radios with COMSEC, AN/ARC-220 High Frequency radios and AN/APX-123 Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) transponders.

In its April 2019 notification to US Congress on the proposed deal, the Pentagon said, ‘The proposed sale will provide India the capability to perform anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare missions along with the ability to perform secondary missions including vertical replenishment, search and rescue, and communications relay. India will use the enhanced capability as a deterrent to regional threats and to strengthen its homeland defense. India will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.’

BAE Systems APKWS Guided Rockets Debut In Indian Service On Naval MH-60Rs
 
Current medium helicopter fleet:

14x Ka-31 (AEW)

The service inducted four in 2003, five in 2005, and five in 2013. Its INAS 339 'Falcons’ unit is the sole squadron operating the type, with a fleet of 14 helicopters based at INS Hansa in Goa.[x]

10x Ka-28 (ASW)

the defence ministry concluded a contract for mid-life upgrade of 10 Ka-28s worth $294 million in July 2016.

The upgraded helicopters will feature western weapons and sensors, with deliveries due between February 2020 to July 2021. Cirium's Fleets Analyzer records the service as having 14 Ka-28s in use, with another four in storage.[x]

17x Sea King Mk.42B (ASW)

The primary multirole strike helicopter is the Agusta Westland Sea King Mk. 42B, with 17 in service. They are operated by two squadrons: INAS 330 “Harpoons” at NAS Shikra in Mumbai and INAS 336 “Flaming Arrows” – the Sea King OCU/training unit –at NAS Garuda in Kochi.[x]

6x Sea King Mk.42C + 6x Sikorsky UH-3H (SAR/Transport)

Special operations forces transports comprise six Westland Sea King Mk. 42C with the Marine Commando Flight (MCF) “Zappers” at NAS Shikra and INAS 336 as well as six ex-USN Sikorsky UH-3H with INAS 350 “Saras” at NAS Dega. They are also employed in a secondary SAR role.[x]
 
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Any update on signing the contract for HAL's LCH since the weapons trails have been completed a while ago
 
Any update on signing the contract for HAL's LCH since the weapons trails have been completed a while ago
IOC weapons trials for IAF version is done. Not for the Army version. The Army version requires the integration of ATGM system. Until it's done, the progress will be slow.
Why do we have so many Ka-31? and now ordering 6 more. :unsure: @vstol Jockey
It's a budget constraint, else requirement was for 10 more Ka31AEW.

Apart from Vicky and IAC1 , it can be assigned to P15A/B and the Talwars.
 
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Navy’s Tense 14 Year Wait Ends With India-US Chopper Deal Today

By Shiv Aroor
Feb 25 2020, 9:00 am
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When India and the United States sign a $2.6 billion deal today to procure 24 MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopters, it will be after a tense 14-year wait for the Indian Navy. Six of the Sikorsky-built helicopters will be delivered early next year, with the remaining 18 to follow in batches over two years. For the navy, they couldn’t possibly be arriving sooner. And the journey to this point, like several other procurement programs, highlights the troubling stomach the Indian armed forces are compelled to have for delays.

Confirming that the deal would be signed today, US President Donald Trump said in Ahmedabad yesterday, “I am pleased to announce that, tomorrow, our representatives will sign deals to sell over $3 billion in the absolute finest, state-of-the-art military helicopters and other equipment to the Indian Armed Forces.”

The second deal that will be signed today, that Trump refers to, is for 6 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters for the Indian Army as options on an earlier IAF procurement. But it is the deal today for MH-60Rs that merits a closer look back.

The 24 Sea Hawks being contracted today are a twisted culmination of an erstwhile Indian Navy procurement program called the Multirole Helicopter (MRH) that was first articulated in 2006-07. The MRH sought to quickly, but competitively, choose and procure 16 naval helicopters to augment and replace the Indian Navy’s Sea Kings. The navy operates Westland Sea Kings and a flight of Sikorsky UH-3H Sea Kings that came as part of the USS Trenton supply deal in 2007. It was amidst plans to upgrade and extend the life of its Sea Kings that the navy decided at the time to forward plan for replacement helicopters.

Five years passed before the contest reached anywhere close to finality, with India left to decide between the European NH90 and Sikorsky’s S-70B Sea Hawk. A protracted and unusually ill-tempered contest, it seemed that amidst the turbulence of an annoyed Indian Navy and the AgustaWestland helicopter scandal (AgustaWestland’s parent company owns 32% of NHIndustries), it seemed for a while that the Indian Navy was being empowered to award the program to Sikorsky for 16 S-70Bs.

All through the contest, Sikorsky had pitched the MH-60R, a higher capability helicopter based on the same Sea Hawk airframe as the S-70B, but the Indian Navy had held off on the offer, saying it would consider the more expensive Romeo helicopters for the the separate Naval Multirole Helicopter (NMRH) program that sought to procure 44 helicopters. In 2015, Sikorsky was bought out by Lockheed-Martin Inc., which put significant energies into persuading the Indian government that the MH-60R was the way to go in a no-fuss government-to-government deal. In consequence, the troublesome MRH procurement then went into familiar limbo for two years, with no official word on whether the Indian MoD planned to announce a decision one way or the other. During this time, there was significant debate within the Indian Navy whether to abort the program entirely, or keep it alive.

In August 2017, the Indian Navy made a dramatic announcement. The erstwhile NMRH requirement was rebooted, with the number of airframes nearly tripled from 44 to 123, and a degree of detailing in terms of a split between multirole utility and special operations. But what about the dormant MRH? Almost exactly a year later, things became clear.

In August 2018, days before the crucial ‘2+2’ dialogue between India and the United States, the Indian MoD cleared the Indian Navy to pursue the acquisition of 24 Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters. Less than two years later, that deal will be signed today by India and the United States under the latter’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program. The MRH program was never officially laid to rest, but with the 24 Romeos to cost $2.6 billion, the navy will be hoping it can keep the NMRH program for 123 such helicopters alive. The latter program is to be executed under India’s ambitious Strategic Partnership (SP) model.

On the back of today’s deal, the MH-60R will hold an obvious advantage going into the NMRH program, if and when it happens as proposed. Not surprisingly, the NH90 which vied for the original MRH program won’t be a player in the NMRH. Instead, NHIndustries’ majority shareholder Airbus Helicopters has decided to pitch the H225M Caracal. The latter is also a contender for the Indian Coastguard’s procurement competition for 14 twin-engine heavy helicopters (TEHH) cleared by the MoD last year. The Caracal goes up against Sikorsky’s S-92.

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The 24 MH-60Rs and the 123 NMRH helicopters (if that numbers holds steady) will operate off aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, the upcoming indigenous aircraft carriers Vikrant, the three Shivalik-class stealth frigates, the follow-on P-17A frigates as well as current and future destroyer types, the Delhi-class, Kolkata-class and Visakhapatnam-class.

Navy’s Tense 14 Year Wait Ends With India-US Chopper Deal Today
 
Navy’s Tense 14 Year Wait Ends With India-US Chopper Deal Today

By Shiv Aroor
Feb 25 2020, 9:00 am
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When India and the United States sign a $2.6 billion deal today to procure 24 MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopters, it will be after a tense 14-year wait for the Indian Navy. Six of the Sikorsky-built helicopters will be delivered early next year, with the remaining 18 to follow in batches over two years. For the navy, they couldn’t possibly be arriving sooner. And the journey to this point, like several other procurement programs, highlights the troubling stomach the Indian armed forces are compelled to have for delays.

Confirming that the deal would be signed today, US President Donald Trump said in Ahmedabad yesterday, “I am pleased to announce that, tomorrow, our representatives will sign deals to sell over $3 billion in the absolute finest, state-of-the-art military helicopters and other equipment to the Indian Armed Forces.”

The second deal that will be signed today, that Trump refers to, is for 6 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters for the Indian Army as options on an earlier IAF procurement. But it is the deal today for MH-60Rs that merits a closer look back.

The 24 Sea Hawks being contracted today are a twisted culmination of an erstwhile Indian Navy procurement program called the Multirole Helicopter (MRH) that was first articulated in 2006-07. The MRH sought to quickly, but competitively, choose and procure 16 naval helicopters to augment and replace the Indian Navy’s Sea Kings. The navy operates Westland Sea Kings and a flight of Sikorsky UH-3H Sea Kings that came as part of the USS Trenton supply deal in 2007. It was amidst plans to upgrade and extend the life of its Sea Kings that the navy decided at the time to forward plan for replacement helicopters.

Five years passed before the contest reached anywhere close to finality, with India left to decide between the European NH90 and Sikorsky’s S-70B Sea Hawk. A protracted and unusually ill-tempered contest, it seemed that amidst the turbulence of an annoyed Indian Navy and the AgustaWestland helicopter scandal (AgustaWestland’s parent company owns 32% of NHIndustries), it seemed for a while that the Indian Navy was being empowered to award the program to Sikorsky for 16 S-70Bs.

All through the contest, Sikorsky had pitched the MH-60R, a higher capability helicopter based on the same Sea Hawk airframe as the S-70B, but the Indian Navy had held off on the offer, saying it would consider the more expensive Romeo helicopters for the the separate Naval Multirole Helicopter (NMRH) program that sought to procure 44 helicopters. In 2015, Sikorsky was bought out by Lockheed-Martin Inc., which put significant energies into persuading the Indian government that the MH-60R was the way to go in a no-fuss government-to-government deal. In consequence, the troublesome MRH procurement then went into familiar limbo for two years, with no official word on whether the Indian MoD planned to announce a decision one way or the other. During this time, there was significant debate within the Indian Navy whether to abort the program entirely, or keep it alive.

In August 2017, the Indian Navy made a dramatic announcement. The erstwhile NMRH requirement was rebooted, with the number of airframes nearly tripled from 44 to 123, and a degree of detailing in terms of a split between multirole utility and special operations. But what about the dormant MRH? Almost exactly a year later, things became clear.

In August 2018, days before the crucial ‘2+2’ dialogue between India and the United States, the Indian MoD cleared the Indian Navy to pursue the acquisition of 24 Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters. Less than two years later, that deal will be signed today by India and the United States under the latter’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program. The MRH program was never officially laid to rest, but with the 24 Romeos to cost $2.6 billion, the navy will be hoping it can keep the NMRH program for 123 such helicopters alive. The latter program is to be executed under India’s ambitious Strategic Partnership (SP) model.

On the back of today’s deal, the MH-60R will hold an obvious advantage going into the NMRH program, if and when it happens as proposed. Not surprisingly, the NH90 which vied for the original MRH program won’t be a player in the NMRH. Instead, NHIndustries’ majority shareholder Airbus Helicopters has decided to pitch the H225M Caracal. The latter is also a contender for the Indian Coastguard’s procurement competition for 14 twin-engine heavy helicopters (TEHH) cleared by the MoD last year. The Caracal goes up against Sikorsky’s S-92.

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The 24 MH-60Rs and the 123 NMRH helicopters (if that numbers holds steady) will operate off aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, the upcoming indigenous aircraft carriers Vikrant, the three Shivalik-class stealth frigates, the follow-on P-17A frigates as well as current and future destroyer types, the Delhi-class, Kolkata-class and Visakhapatnam-class.

Navy’s Tense 14 Year Wait Ends With India-US Chopper Deal Today
Finally.

Hopefully CDS will rationalize the attack helo fleet soon too. Army Aviation should hold all the Apaches and LCH. No point of duplication when it costs us billions.
 
Because the cost of importing 100+ NMRH is astronomical compared to NUH. It will be $10+ billion if we go by the SeaHawk FMS numbers. That's why the navy prioritized NUH over it. They will probably split the NMRH into direct import for current needs and HAL design in a long time. (Similar compromise of ditching MMRCA). NUH is low hanging is and it's now. Remember NMRH was also under SP model.

By investing in the private sector they are not repeating the mistake but creating a market economy for the aerospace industry so that it will become efficient with the competition.

I did not make the size of the market argument because my larger point was on supply-side efficiency.
I sometimes wonder how this guy got selected in the Army in the first place.
 
India fast-tracking purchase of 10 additional Ka-31 AEW&C helicopters
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - Jane's Defence Weekly
20 March 2020
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India is fast-tracking negotiations to acquire 10 Russian-made Kamov Ka-31 'Helix' airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) helicopters in time for the expected commissioning in 2021 of Vikrant , the Indian Navy's (IN's) indigenously designed aircraft carrier.
Official sources told Jane's on 20 March that the IN wants to "imminently" finalise the Ka-31 import, which was approved by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in May 2019 for an estimated INR36 billion (USD478.8 million), given that up to four of the AEW&C platforms are expected to be embarked on the 37,750-tonne carrier.
IN officers said Vikrant aims to field its full air complement of Russian-made MiG-29K/KUB 'Fulcrum' fighters and rotary-wing platforms by 2022.

India fast-tracking purchase of 10 additional Ka-31 AEW&C helicopters | Jane's 360
India fast-tracking purchase of 10 additional Ka-31 AEW&C helicopters
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - Jane's Defence Weekly
20 March 2020
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India is fast-tracking negotiations to acquire 10 Russian-made Kamov Ka-31 'Helix' airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) helicopters in time for the expected commissioning in 2021 of Vikrant , the Indian Navy's (IN's) indigenously designed aircraft carrier.
Official sources told Jane's on 20 March that the IN wants to "imminently" finalise the Ka-31 import, which was approved by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in May 2019 for an estimated INR36 billion (USD478.8 million), given that up to four of the AEW&C platforms are expected to be embarked on the 37,750-tonne carrier.
IN officers said Vikrant aims to field its full air complement of Russian-made MiG-29K/KUB 'Fulcrum' fighters and rotary-wing platforms by 2022.

India fast-tracking purchase of 10 additional Ka-31 AEW&C helicopters | Jane's 360
Navy has 14 Ka31 which should be enough for two carriers i think. When carrying full complement of 24 aircrafts having 16 Mig29, 4 Ka31 and 4 SAR/ASW helis. Means for 8 Ka31 on 2 helos, 14 should be enough even with 60% availability.
 
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