Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Mean while german climate change efforts will go down the drain, europe will soon look like beijing or delhi with air pollution.

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jetray said:
dude, its not our war. Sending bombers by russia/china is nothing new. This sabre-rattling will continue as they are sizing up each other. Its just we get to see what western media portrays. Even west does the same.

That route is frozen for most of the year, need ice cutters and not much commercially viable.
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Its not new, really? Tell me when did Russia send bombers near a foreign country while an Indian PM making a vist there? Also it says Russia will send its military alongside with china against quad. Try to interpret international politics & messages.

AFAIK Russia had given false assurance to us that Chinese movement is mere a military exercise, i am talking about incident happened just before 2019 invasion in Ladakh.

There are clear indication from Russia that where they will stand, yet blind folded Indians yelling at western media & west.
 
BMD said:
China wins too, because they will be funding Russia and getting Russia in debt. It's a stupid war because Putin is essentially giving up trading relations with Europe for the sake of some land in Ukraine, assuming he even wins.




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So roughly EUR16-18bn per month, or EUR200bn per year, which is equivalent to about 15% of Russian GDP, with associated knock-on effects inside Russia amounting to $600-900bn . You can see the dip after 2014:

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The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Russia was worth 2021.42 billion US dollars in 2023, according to official data from the World Bank. The GDP value of Russia represents 1.92 percent of the world economy. This page provides the latest reported value for - Russia GDP - plus previous releases...
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The GDP of Ukraine in 2013 was $183bn, less now. So explain to me how the seized territory will ever be worth it to Russia?

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The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Ukraine was worth 178.76 billion US dollars in 2023, according to official data from the World Bank. The GDP value of Ukraine represents 0.17 percent of the world economy. This page provides the latest reported value for - Ukraine GDP - plus previous releases...
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You are right on negotiation, there is absolutely no point, the Ukrainian military are the only ones who can 'negotiate' with Russia.

The idea of asking people to cede land in exchange for peace is just war wearing a costume.
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Why will Russia become indebted to China? The Russians will just sell their stuff to other countries.

And other countries will fill holes in the Russian economy. Only the supply is gone, the demand will still be there. The overall population of the EEU is well above 150 million, and headed towards advanced economy status, so which idiot is gonna miss out on the vacuum the West left behind? Russia is bound to see investments after the war.

Creating New Russia is about politics, not money. Ukraine and Russia are major wheat exporters, and most of it in Ukraine is produced in the Russian-speaking regions. The Russians taking over this region would mean they will have a monopoly in wheat exports from the Black Sea. Plus the Russians increase their population indirectly.
 
Hydra said:
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Tanvi Madan doesn't realise that Russia and China have their differences too.

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Hydra said:
They send bombers near to our PM while he is in Japan, you wanna support such people?
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It's pretty common. And we always do our own thing anyway. That message was for the US, not India.
 
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BMD said:
Putin is getting desperate, he's scrabbling for something that will give him an excuse for wasting 30,000 Russians. He's hoping that people will agree to let him have it and remove sanctions, he's a terribly deluded imbecile. He should have quit while he was ahead after Crimea. He could have built an artificial land bridge to Crimea Chinese-style and a water pipe for many times less than this war has cost him
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They are not worried about sanctions. They are focusing on land gained. All sanctions would cost much lesser than the land they will gain in Ukraine.
 
screambowl said:
They are not worried about sanctions. They are focusing on land gained. All sanctions would cost much lesser than the land they will gain in Ukraine.
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I dont think their focus is on gaining land, they are looking to create a buffer between themselves and nato. ukraine is to russia what pakistan punjab plains is to India, breach that area it gives direct access to the capital. All the invasion to russia in the past was thru this gate way.
 
screambowl said:
Not for India but if Russians are clever then they should tell China to fix it's border issues with India otherwise Russia is losing the war only because of China.
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Even if russia goads chinese , they wont change their stance, they think their trade & military power can over power other countries so diplomatically they wont bend. If arrogant chinese communist party idiots had India by their side they would have already won half the battle against west.
 
The Russian military used the Ukrainian captured anti-tank complex "Stugna-P" to strike at the fortified positions of the Ukrainian army.


Russian soldiers carried a wounded Ukrainian soldier for two kilometers, who was abandoned by his squad, the video was published to show that there should be a manifestation of humanity even in war.


French self-propelled guns "Caesar" manufactured by Nexter were spotted in Ukraine. The Caesar self-propelled gun entered service in France in 2003. The ACS has a 155-mm caliber and can carry up to 18 shells, the installation crew is 5 people, but it is possible to control three. The ACS is equipped with a Sigma-30 fire control system, with a NAVSTAR navigation system receiver. The installation is easy to maintain and manage. The rate of fire of the ACS is 6 rounds per minute. The maximum firing range when using active-reactive ammunition is 42 km.

 
Did you guys notice the changed tone of Zelensky? This war is progressing exactly like what I had predicted. The RA is now doing hooks and pincer to defeat UA which is the strategy in urban warfare. UA is running away and deserting positions the moment RA starts the pincer after a breakthru.
 
The 28tg mechanized brigade of the Armed Force of Ukraine ner Kherson destroid the Russian BMP-z
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Analogues of the Russian Krasnopols arrived in Ukraine, but with twice the range. Canada decided to transfer to Ukraine 20 artillery ammunition for M777 light field howitzers, of which, according to Avia.pro, at least 2-2,5 corrected M982 Excalibur ammunition, which are analogues of the Russian Krasnopol ammunition, but have unlike Russian weapons, twice the range and twice the power. At the moment, it is known that Canada specifically purchased 20 thousand ammunition for 155-mm from the United States. M777 field howitzers, which have already been partially transferred to Ukraine. Among these munitions, there are about 2-2,5 thousand adjustable M982 Excalibur munitions of various types, with a range of 36 kilometers (Block Ib) to 60 kilometers (Block Ia-2).
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Another 48 Russian fascists will stand trial in Ukraine
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screambowl said:
They are not worried about sanctions. They are focusing on land gained. All sanctions would cost much lesser than the land they will gain in Ukraine.
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Nope. Already put that argument to rest here:

Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Tourists eliminated. Gunners of the Armed Forces and the Georgian Legion effectively destroy Russian equipment CHRONICLES OF THE WAR
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Between 2013 and 2015 Russia's GDP dipped by $900bn as a result of partial sanctions, they still had roughly $200bn of exports going to the EU in 2020, which will now be lost. The highest GDP Ukraine (as a whole) has achieved in the last 10 years is only $183bn. So no, the land they gain will not even nearly make up for it.
 
randomradio said:
Why will Russia become indebted to China? The Russians will just sell their stuff to other countries.

And other countries will fill holes in the Russian economy. Only the supply is gone, the demand will still be there. The overall population of the EEU is well above 150 million, and headed towards advanced economy status, so which idiot is gonna miss out on the vacuum the West left behind? Russia is bound to see investments after the war.

Creating New Russia is about politics, not money. Ukraine and Russia are major wheat exporters, and most of it in Ukraine is produced in the Russian-speaking regions. The Russians taking over this region would mean they will have a monopoly in wheat exports from the Black Sea. Plus the Russians increase their population indirectly.
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I that why their GDP is set to fall 12.4% and they have 23% inflation even with 14% interest rates? They do not have the means to pay for what they are doing.

Seriously, grow up. You think the handful of -stans in the EEU is going to make up for the EU? They will find buyers but only at lower prices. If the interest rates are high enough you will find investors to buy your bonds, but then you will have higher interest payments to make and are more likely to get in more debt.

The ethnic Russian population is nowhere near as big as you make out. And not all of them are even on board with Russia.

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Europe has its own wheat, I walked through 4 huge fields of it personally yesterday. People will leave Russian-occupied territory, just like they do with Russia. The USSR didn't build a wall to keep people out, it was to keep people in.

And if Turkey doesn't let Russian ships through the Bosporus, Russia will have to stick its wheat up its arrse.
 
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