Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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Nope. You're wrong and only a fool would believe otherwise. People didn't fit seekers to missiles for a joke. Why are there no RFCLOS AAMs even?
Here is another Russian Pantsir-S1 failing at intercepting a SMArt 155 shell before it separates into submunitions and kills the Pantsir.
You're telling me this POS can intercept Mach 5 ballistic missiles?
Ex-president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko continues to purchase military equipment for Ukraine. This time, Italian MLS SHIELD armored vehicles were purchased with volunteer funds, according to Poroshenko, the equipment was purchased for the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian army. Unexpectedly for everyone, the Ukrainian site "Peacemaker", which publishes information about the enemies of Ukraine, accused Petro Poroshenko of corruption. Information was posted on the website that allegedly Poroshenko, under the guise of raising funds and purchasing MLS SHIELD armored vehicles, took 40 million hryvnia abroad and allowed the funds to be misused. MLS SHIELD is a 4×4 armored SUV manufactured by TEKNE. The manufacturer guarantees the safety of 10 crew members in the event of a car being blown up by mines and improvised explosive devices, as well as in case of an ambush attack. It is possible to install a warhead in the armored vehicle, in which a machine gun of up to 12.7 mm caliber or an automatic grenade launcher can be installed. According to Petro Poroshenko, he buys armored vehicles in the maximum configuration.
Russian artillery destroyed the Czechoslovak 152-mm self-propelled guns vz.77 "Dana-M2" in the Seversk region with an accurate blow. ACS "Dana-M2" is a modernized version of the self-propelled gun vz.77 "Dana" developed in 1977. Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchased supported self-propelled guns in the Czech Republic, which caused a scandal. In the Czech Republic itself, the Dana self-propelled guns were decommissioned in 2018 and replaced by CAESAR 155-mm self-propelled guns. The Czech Republic refused to modernize the Dana self-propelled guns due to the impossibility of integrating this installation into a single NATO digital data transmission and target designation system.
Russian artillery destroyed the Czechoslovak 152-mm self-propelled guns vz.77 "Dana-M2" in the Seversk region with an accurate blow. ACS "Dana-M2" is a modernized version of the self-propelled gun vz.77 "Dana" developed in 1977. Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchased supported self-propelled guns in the Czech Republic, which caused a scandal. In the Czech Republic itself, the Dana self-propelled guns were decommissioned in 2018 and replaced by CAESAR 155-mm self-propelled guns. The Czech Republic refused to modernize the Dana self-propelled guns due to the impossibility of integrating this installation into a single NATO digital data transmission and target designation system.
I am a fool, so are the Russians and the Americans. Only you're the genius.
An F-16 Shot Down a Cruise Missile with a Rocket
But that was the easy part. Finding the missile was much, much harder.
this is how US is going to lose, americas advantage was its location & dollar. Location guaranteed that it could do whatever it wants in other parts of the world and get away with it. Dollar enabled them to just buy up stuff cheap overseas and make fat profits.
Now both could be disadvantage if they start losing. To fight war say in Asia they need to get supplies from US or source it locally. Flying it down from US is costly , sourcing it locally means tot should happen which US wont allow. This will virtually give the regional powers advantage if they fight a war of attrition. That leaves only one thing on table dominate through technology.
Imagine ,for the expenses of 1hr meeting having 5 ppl in US, pakistan can finance a terrorist for a week in afghanistan.
Globalisation became a great equaliser. So the Americans are now working on reversing that, but it's too little too late. At the very least, they chose the wrong country to become their cheap producer.
Now they have two choices, either fight an uphill battle paying their militarisation bill, or shift a major chunk of their military production to India. ToT is not necessary, nor a contract from MoD. Let them ask for 100% ownership, use Indian labour and sell to themselves and the rest of the world. Of course, this is only if they want to mass a new expensive Cold War army. Or they can be happy paying $25M per IFV.
Here's a good example:
Army set to axe £5.5billion Ajax 'light tank'
Defence minister Jeremy Quin told MPs an independent expert is being sought to evaluate the project and admitted it may be cancelled.
Figures in AUD for 450 IFVs.
Land 400 Phase 3 cut to 300 vehicles - Australian Defence Magazine
The two companies vying for the program - Rheinmetall Defence Australia and Hanwha Defense Australia - have been told to resubmit their bids for 300 vehicles instead of the original 450.
www.australiandefence.com.au
27B ($18.5B) for 450 vehicles puts each at $41M, the same price as the LCA Mk1A. We can raise two mountain strike corps for that amount.
The West is no longer financially competent when it comes to the military. The volumes are too low and labour costs too high.
greed and assumption (favorite american word grateful! ) that they will also become poodles like japanese. I bet one day japanese will start hating for nuking them.
They want to avoid another china like power, as such they will try to seek out smaller powers who can be controlled.
Guess they will strengthen the technology denial regime and ensure no other country over takes them in critical areas like semiconductors. On our part we should deny them market access which should end up making their product expensive to begin with.
Even other countries are wary abt globalization, they are seeing that true globalization will never be allowed to take place. Instead they see west only wants one sided agreements favoring them. West puts up a lot of non trade barriers like environment, human rights, visa/movement denial, quotas...etc which is pissing of lot many countries.
They have started something serious, serious stupidity.
After firing twice as many cruise missiles in 4 months as NATO has in the last 32 years and getting 37k of their troops killed it's nothing serious, nothing to see here, move along.
Now you're strawmanning and badly.I am a fool, so are the Russians and the Americans. Only you're the genius.
An F-16 Shot Down a Cruise Missile with a Rocket
But that was the easy part. Finding the missile was much, much harder.www.popularmechanics.com
a) It was a subsonic cruise missile is not a ballistic missile;
b) it was also a laser-guided hydra, hence terminal homing.
I never disputed Pantsir could shoot down a subsonic cruise missile either. Although the systems on the Moskva didn't work too well.
On Iron Dome.
The contributions from 2011 to 2021 were $1.6bn, and it seems 400 intercepts are made per year roughly, so I know it's an extrapolation but that's 4000 in 10 years, which used $1.6bn assuming them used all original missiles. So that's $400k per missile. Still cheaper than expected TBH.
Iron Dome - Wikipedia
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@Innominate, Russians have apparently stopped manning ammo dumps due to HIMARS, which has in turn left them vulnerable to sabotage.
We actually need them to get stronger militarily. A weak West can't challenge China. At least I'm hopeful about the US. The war in Ukraine will ensure the militarisation of Europe and that allows them to concentrate on the Chinese. It works for us.
But if they plan to spend $41M on an IFV, that's gonna result in some serious problems.
Now you're strawmanning and badly.
a) It was a subsonic cruise missile is not a ballistic missile;
b) it was also a laser-guided hydra, hence terminal homing.
I never disputed Pantsir could shoot down a subsonic cruise missile either. Although the systems on the Moskva didn't work too well.
It doesn't matter. It was quite literally a guided rocket that killed it.
Pantsir also provides the homing via its onboard radar.
On Iron Dome.
The contributions from 2011 to 2021 were $1.6bn, and it seems 400 intercepts are made per year roughly, so I know it's an extrapolation but that's 4000 in 10 years, which used $1.6bn assuming them used all original missiles. So that's $400k per missile. Still cheaper than expected TBH.
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That's program cost, which reduces as more missiles are fired. It's not the production cost of the missile.
Yeah, a laser guided rocket with a <0.5m CEP is a heck of lot more accurate an RFCLOS missile with 5-10m angular and distance inaccuracies and 2m/s velocity inaccuracies. And the drone hit was a BQM-167 with a speed of 230kts and a length of 6.1m and a 3m wingspan.It doesn't matter. It was quite literally a guided rocket that killed it.
Pantsir also provides the homing via its onboard radar.
That's program cost, which reduces as more missiles are fired. It's not the production cost of the missile.
Air Force Tests Laser Guided Rockets In The Air-To-Air Role To Shoot Down Cruise Missiles
A recent test was a proof of concept for using these air-to-ground weapons to knock down cruise missiles, but they could also take out small drones.
www.thedrive.com
Composite Engineering BQM-167 Skeeter - Wikipedia
A GMLRS rocket has a length of 4m, a diameter of 227mm and impacts at Mach 2.5, a Tochka is twice as fast.
M31 GMLRS Unitary
That isn't terminal homing, that BS-I-think-it's-about-here-and-my-missile-is-about-there homing.
So why was $1bn paid to restock them after only 10 years, during which time 400/year were used, with $1.6bn paid up front?
House passes $1 billion for Israel’s Iron Dome system in blowout vote
The House passed legislation overwhelmingly to provide $1 billion to Israel to restock its Iron Dome short-range missile defense system just days after Democrats removed the funding from a broad stopgap spending bill.
www.defensenews.com
That's either $400k/missile or $250k/missile at best. Like I said, there's a missing zero error with your number.
He's sounds desperate and pathetic, saying this in week 5 would be one thing, halfway through month 5, it just smacks of desperation.
The launcher costs almost nothing.
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