Ukraine - Russia Conflict

randomradio · Dec 29, 2022

RASALGHUL said:
But Russia surely promoted it.

The coup killed the Donbas's chance to stay within Ukraine. And they pushed for autonomy rather than independence. It's only in 2022 that the push for independence happened.

Minsk 1:
Decentralisation of power, including through the adoption of the Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts".

Minsk 2:
Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with a new constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on the special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the attached footnote, by the end of 2015.

RASALGHUL said:
Difference is in west it's Exception While in Russia & China it's a rule.

Nope. The West are also champions at political assassinations.

RASALGHUL said:
LOL! Nope. Whatever west is they are certainly not timur. Not Even Close.

It was tongue-in-cheek. But the West destroy everything and they leave. They don't care about nation-building.

There is nation-building happening in Syria today in Russian-occupied territories, but none has been carried out by the West in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya. They destroyed whatever they wanted to and just left. There is no nation-building happening in American-controlled territories in Syria either.

randomradio · Dec 30, 2022

BMD said:
Safe as the Hindenburg? The only reason you think it's safer is because it's more scarce. Gasoline is rated 3 on the NFPA 704 scale, hydrogen is rated 4.

Safe Use of Hydrogen

Hydrogen fuel systems are designed with appropriate engineering controls and guidelines to ensure the safe handling and use of hydrogen.

www.energy.gov

The energy usage is still ridiculous compared to just wiring electricity.

Waste of time and energy. The numbers don't lie. And there's also a heck of a lot of infrastructure for distributing electricity too, and since most people will charge their car overnight, when other use is low, the extra peak current draw is likely small.

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That graph doesn't take into account the wastage of mining materials and producing the batteries.

With hydrogen, you will notice that batteries have completely been taken out of the equation, so there's no battery replacement costs. So the graph doesn't consider costs associated across the life of the car, with at least 1 or 2 ridiculously expensive battery replacements. Otoh, with a hydrogen car, what you get on day 1 is what you scrap on day 5000. So, yes, the numbers don't lie.

With better manufacturing processes that eliminate rare earth materials and cheaper hydrogen production costs, combined with economies of scale, the hydrogen car will eventually become a whole lot more cheaper.

randomradio · Dec 30, 2022

BMD said:
I'll add to this the fact that pumping loads of water vapour into the atmosphere isn't a good thing.

The article talks about H2 leakage, not H2O being released into the air.

A Person said:
When the separatist leaders are all FSB agents?

It's pretty funny how every time there's a popular uprising against corrupt dictators, Russia is the first to jump up and down shouting it's a CIA plot against a perfectly legitimate despot; but when a bunch of Russian agents with the help of the Russian army stage a coup against local governments and install puppet regimes, it's supposed to be the genuine will of the people?

Read the Minsk agreements and see what they actually asked for.

The Russians only changed their tune after UAF started preparing to invade the Donbas. 'Cause obviously an invasion is just crossing the line.

BMD · Dec 30, 2022

randomradio said:
The article talks about H2 leakage, not H2O being released into the air.

H2 leakage is an inevitable part of production and handling. Increased levels of water vapour in the atmosphere also have a global warming effect. The atmosphere can scrub it fast in small amounts but if every global car user suddenly starts outputting water vapour it will cause problems. And why use something that can cause damage via H2 leaks that's inefficient anyway?

randomradio said:
Read the Minsk agreements and see what they actually asked for.

The Russians only changed their tune after UAF started preparing to invade the Donbas. 'Cause obviously an invasion is just crossing the line.

The Minsk agreement were a stepping stone to annexation.

You can't invade part of your own country.

jetray · Dec 30, 2022

missile defence systems effectiveness is over rated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608527690901897224

BMD · Dec 30, 2022

randomradio said:
That graph doesn't take into account the wastage of mining materials and producing the batteries.

The batteries can be produced using green energy. Wastage of mining materials doesn't cause global warming. Extra trucks have to be produced to transport H2 to fuel stations. You then have to waste more energy to convert the H2 to electricity anyway. And you still need a f*cking battery anyway. It's retarded.

randomradio said:
With hydrogen, you will notice that batteries have completely been taken out of the equation, so there's no battery replacement costs. So the graph doesn't consider costs associated across the life of the car, with at least 1 or 2 ridiculously expensive battery replacements. Otoh, with a hydrogen car, what you get on day 1 is what you scrap on day 5000. So, yes, the numbers don't lie.

But they haven't though. And you still need to produce the fuel cell itself, plus a high pressure tank. Batteries are guaranteed for 10 years. Fuel cell cars also have more moving parts, hence more failure points and are less efficient. They're also heavier and therefore harder on tyres and brakes.

randomradio said:
With better manufacturing processes that eliminate rare earth materials and cheaper hydrogen production costs, combined with economies of scale, the hydrogen car will eventually become a whole lot more cheaper.

You could say the same for EV, except it's already here with economies of scale.

jetray said:
missile defence systems effectiveness is over rated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608527690901897224

Not a single missile reached Kyiv today.

BMD · Dec 30, 2022

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608547466374168580

randomradio · Dec 30, 2022

BMD said:
H2 leakage is an inevitable part of production and handling. Increased levels of water vapour in the atmosphere also have a global warming effect. The atmosphere can scrub it fast in small amounts but if every global car user suddenly starts outputting water vapour it will cause problems. And why use something that can cause damage via H2 leaks that's inefficient anyway?

Water Vapor Vs Carbon Dioxide: Which 'Wins' In Climate Warming?

The fact that water vapor is the dominant absorber in the Earth's greenhouse effect can lead to a flawed narrative that anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) is not important nor a significant driver of climate warming. I have always felt that narrative is like concluding nitrogen (78% of the...

www.forbes.com

Water Emissions from Fuel Cell Vehicles

www.energy.gov

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) emit approximately the same amount of water per mile as vehicles using gasoline-powered internal combustion engines (ICEs).

So please stop peddling BS.

BMD said:
The Minsk agreement were a stepping stone to annexation.

You can't invade part of your own country.

The opposite. The Russian demands over Donbas were realistic. The situation had spiralled way out of control, even then the Russians had agreed to keep Donbas in Ukraine until Jan 2022. And the Russians changed their mind only because the UAF started preparing for an invasion of the Donbas right after Zelensky had pushed for NATO membership.

Dude, I don't care about your petty politics, the Russians are right. And this is coming from a very, very neutral perspective. It's why the Third World is not criticising Russia. The only ones up in arms about this is you lot, the West, 'cause it's all politics, and you lot have been highly indoctrinated.

The Russians have actually won a lot of brownie points outside the West. It's also why pretty much the entire TW has decided to dedollarise their economies. And you guys are completely blind to it. The Americans most definitely have dug their own graves. The world has lost its faith in the West.

We Are Witnessing a Global De-Dollarisation Spree

The war in Ukraine has dramatically transformed global power dynamics, as Western sanctions on Russia trigger the rise of alternative financial models. Crucial among these is the absence of the US dollar as the de facto transactional currency, meaning that the two-decade process of global...

internationalbanker.com

In this war, the West are the bad guys.

jetray · Dec 30, 2022

BMD said:
Not a single missile reached Kyiv today.

ok

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608449258709192706

randomradio · Dec 30, 2022

BMD said:
The batteries can be produced using green energy. Wastage of mining materials doesn't cause global warming. Extra trucks have to be produced to transport H2 to fuel stations. You then have to waste more energy to convert the H2 to electricity anyway. And you still need a f*cking battery anyway. It's retarded.

The battery is small. And it's designed to last the lifetime of the car.

BMD said:
But they haven't though. And you still need to produce the fuel cell itself, plus a high pressure tank. Batteries are guaranteed for 10 years. Fuel cell cars also have more moving parts, hence more failure points and are less efficient. They're also heavier and therefore harder on tyres and brakes.
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You could say the same for EV, except it's already here with economies of scale.

Mirai is an experimental car.

Read this article and stop generalising:

Fuel Cell & Clean Energy Solutions | Ballard Power

Ballard Power is the leading global provider of innovative clean energy fuel cell solutions that offer superior performance at a reduced operating cost.

www.ballardmotivesolutions.com

BMD · Dec 30, 2022

randomradio said:
Water Vapor Vs Carbon Dioxide: Which 'Wins' In Climate Warming?

The fact that water vapor is the dominant absorber in the Earth's greenhouse effect can lead to a flawed narrative that anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) is not important nor a significant driver of climate warming. I have always felt that narrative is like concluding nitrogen (78% of the...

www.forbes.com

Water Emissions from Fuel Cell Vehicles

www.energy.gov

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) emit approximately the same amount of water per mile as vehicles using gasoline-powered internal combustion engines (ICEs).

So please stop peddling BS.

Paywall and whether it's worse than CO2 or not, it's still a problem and worse than pure electric. Sure water can condense and the total amount in equilibrium conditions is determined by temperature, but if you have 8 billion people all pumping out water vapour from their exhaust every day you aren't ever going to reach equilibrium conditions because the scale is constantly getting rocked. And how exactly are equilibrium conditions achieved, or attempted to be achieved, when that many people are pumping out H2O? Rain, rain, more rain and flooding.

randomradio said:
The opposite. The Russian demands over Donbas were realistic. The situation had spiralled way out of control, even then the Russians had agreed to keep Donbas in Ukraine until Jan 2022. And the Russians changed their mind only because the UAF started preparing for an invasion of the Donbas right after Zelensky had pushed for NATO membership.

Why are they calling it an invasion if they recognised it as part of Ukraine? Ukraine moved to push Russian troops out because it knew the end goal was annexation, it always is with Russia, how do you think Russia got so big in the first place?

randomradio said:
Dude, I don't care about your petty politics, the Russians are right. And this is coming from a very, very neutral perspective. It's why the Third World is not criticising Russia. The only ones up in arms about this is you lot, the West, 'cause it's all politics, and you lot have been highly indoctrinated.

The people going around assassinating critics and arresting anti-war protestors are right? I think it's you who have been highly indoctrinated.

Oh and another.

Georgia's ex-leader Saakashvili 'poisoned' in prison: doctors - Euractiv

Georgia's jailed ex-president, Mikheil Saakashvili, had been "poisoned" in custody by heavy metals and risks dying without proper treatment, according to a medical report distributed on Monday by his legal team.

www.euractiv.com

randomradio said:
The Russians have actually won a lot of brownie points outside the West. It's also why pretty much the entire TW has decided to dedollarise their economies. And you guys are completely blind to it. The Americans most definitely have dug their own graves. The world has lost its faith in the West.

Garbage. No one in their right mind would trust Russia. You saw how the UN vote went.

randomradio said:
We Are Witnessing a Global De-Dollarisation Spree

The war in Ukraine has dramatically transformed global power dynamics, as Western sanctions on Russia trigger the rise of alternative financial models. Crucial among these is the absence of the US dollar as the de facto transactional currency, meaning that the two-decade process of global...

internationalbanker.com

In this war, the West are the bad guys.

Garbage from made up website.

BMD · Dec 30, 2022

randomradio said:
The battery is small. And it's designed to last the lifetime of the car.

10 years is the lifetime of a car typically and EV batteries are guaranteed for that length of time. For a gasoline car you'd be looking at clutch and flywheel replacement and gearbox replacement over the same period, which is just as expensive.

randomradio said:
Mirai is an experimental car.

No, it's a production car from Toyota.

Official Thread - Toyota Mirai 2021

I don't think a thread was made yet? Here's the next gen Mirai. Overall specs: 650 km (30% more) 174 hp (+10%) 9.2s 0-100 km/h (-0.4s) RWD (was FWD) Tank 5.6 kg (+20%) 5 seats (was 4 seat)

www.germancarforum.com

And the performance is shit relative to a Tesla Model 3 despite it costing more. There are no up sides.

randomradio said:
Read this article and stop generalising:

Fuel Cell & Clean Energy Solutions | Ballard Power

Ballard Power is the leading global provider of innovative clean energy fuel cell solutions that offer superior performance at a reduced operating cost.

www.ballardmotivesolutions.com

But the important bits that might be costly don’t move, and while there are fewer moving parts than a diesel engine, fuel cell vehicles are currently more expensive to maintain.

And they're a fuel cell company.