Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Evening

Kyiv receives stable volumes of electricity. Of course, with restrictions, but stable. This is the first good news. These volumes can be evenly distributed through temporary schemes of reconnection of networks. This is the second good news. But it is difficult to predict how the equipment will behave if the temperature drops significantly and consumption increases. Fortunately, the New Year should be on the plus side. However, there is still the most important variable - the crazy neighbor and his missiles and Iranian shahids.

Today I was asked about the types of behavior during this crisis. I will tell you about my favorite type - businesses that take responsibility. For example, a coffee shop, not far from my house, bought a small generator two months ago - in case of long blackouts.

They cannot provide electricity to the entire premises, but they have connected coffee machines and other necessary equipment. They say that one 10-liter can of gasoline is enough for a week.

They use garlands and candles to illuminate the halls. Then friends from abroad gave them "eco-flo". So now, guests can also recharge their phones and laptops. They joke with each other that if they put a starlink, they can definitely put a sign "Point of Unbreakability".

I also know stories about how chefs in restaurants cook with headlamps, and pianists give concerts by candlelight. And other examples. In a word, our business is very adaptive and really unbreakable. Just like the whole country.

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I guess Serbia will serve as Isengard.

Russian invasion did not start in 2022. It's the Kremlin that decided to start a proxy war in Ukraine and anschluss Crimea with a phony referendum.

Fact is, Russia had planned on reintegrating its lost shards of empire from the start, in the 1990s, but only succeeded (somewhat) in Belarus. Everywhere else kept on drifting away, a movement that has now accelerated.

You do realise nothing of the sort would have worked before 2022 right? Now it's no holds barred.

Unless the US intervenes, there is not a single ex-SU country that can resist the Russians.

Nope. They thought it'd be a one-sided war where the Ukrainians would let themselves be shot or captured without retaliation. If they thought there wouldn't be a war, they wouldn't have started with a massive volley of missile strikes on Ukrainian military facilities. Unfortunately for them, they used largely outdated intelligence so about 60% of their missiles hit irrelevant targets -- emptied base, decommissioned aircraft, etc. That Ukrainian air defenses had largely resisted and were still active has crippled Russian air support.

As for the lack of infantry, they were simply too slow for the operation the Russians had planned which was a cavalry sprint with airborne reinforcements. But they couldn't hold Hostomel and the rest is history.

They called it an Operation instead of a War simply because they didn't expect the Ukrainians to fight back. So, yeah, it still means they went in without knowing they were actually going to war. They simply thought it will be a near-bloodless coup.

Russian military presence in the region is dwindling rapidly, and especially its military presence. Central Asia is stuck between three regional powers, Russia, China, and Turkey. Russia used to be first place, now it's in third place. China is in first place and will make sure Russia does not come back.

The opposite will happen. These guys are all racists. The CAR won't accept China, nor will they accept Turkey. Right now they are attempting to play a balancing act until they find some sort of resolution with the Russians. If the Russians force their hands, then we will see, until then it's all just noise.
OK! what are other options in Foreseeable future? EU and China. EU is onboard with US, That left china.
LOL! Do you think China is more trustworthy Than EU & US?
Who is going to trust China?

No one can and should trust China. Hence the need for Russia to keep their mutually-beneficial and complementary relations with India going. China-Russia bonhomie is temporary.
 
RFF killing civilians in Donbass and all over Ukraine is okay because there's civilian casualties from the fire exchage between FSB "separatists" and Ukrainian forces?
Russia started shelling Kherson with incendiary shells after they lost control of it. This has zero military justification, it is entirely caused by Russia's unquenchable lust for war crimes and genocide. But officially, as far as Russia is concered, those people are Russian citizens, they've written it in their Constitution and all. So Russia is killing Russian citizens with artillery. In occupied territories, Russia is also killing Russian citizens with large-scale torture and summary execution; again because of Russia's infinite thirst for war crimes and genocide.

So cut the crocodile tears about the unfortunate people of the Donbass. They're the victims of Russia, like all the rest, not those of Ukraine. Only a moron would think these cities would be shelled if Russia hadn't created with its own military and a few local criminals some phony local regimes with zero legitimacy that have taken control of the area against the wishes of the local people.

This is just another holier than thou excuse. The people of Donbas were attacked since 2014. The people leftover in Kherson along with the UAF are considered enemies, 'cause the rest of the population was evacuated to Russia.
 
It's a delusional list . Even 1 doesn't seem realistic.

The Russians are cutting down on production while China's going to reopen and consume more than today.

The only thing potentially bringing it down would be a recession in the EU.

What Do you mean?
KSA, UAE, Israel and Egypt isn't going to like that.
Also, Militarising Iran will eradicate last leverage Russia have on Israel.
Syria, Will be an Intreseting playground.

The GCC wants to protect its oil business, and Russia is crucial here. Israel will have to suck it up. From their PoV, it's better for Iran to have a stronger conventional military than get nukes.
 
There are no plans to put nukes in such missile though, and if there were they could do it from the Baltics, or from Finland right now without Ukraine anyway. None of these theories hold.

If oyu are a nuke power, you can't be trusted to keep things clean.

Islamic fundamentalism started centuries ago and never ended. Iran was funding suicide bombers against Israel before the Afghan War started. And Russia caused the problems in Afghanistan by overthrowing the king by proxy in 1973. India and the USSR both recognised the new illegitimate government just 2 days after the coup! So you need to start accepting some responsibility yourselves for how Afghanistan turned out, it was a nice, civilised country until 1973, you and Russia ruined it.


You are blaming Afghanistan instead of Pakistan? :ROFLMAO:

Go to China and say that. LOL, that's a good one.:ROFLMAO: Russia and China split over Cambodia, China didn't like the USSR's growing influence.

China Russia split in 1969. Ever since then it fell into the American sphere of influence until 1989.

Always an excuse. You were useless, that's why China shot ahead. Just imagine where you'd be if you'd allied with NATO from the start. Ask yourself that question honestly.

We didn't need to ally with anybody, we simply had to start off as capitalist.

Don't do it, go EV, hydrogen is ridiculously inefficient over the full cycle by comparison.

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The chart covers only half the picture. Hydrogen uses existing infrastructure. EV requires whole new infrastructure.

Russia will get weaker due to the war, war never makes any of its participants stronger, it impoverishes and weakens.

The way the Russians are fighting, it's not very expensive. The human cost is high, but the financial cost isn't.

:ROFLMAO: The T-14 is cancelled. And current Russian tanks don't lead anything. And airpower always beat army, every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Good luck if you believe that. A fact that's already been upended by the current war.

That's simply not the case. China has 1.3bn people and a border with Russia, and a large economy. Saying Russia needs India more, is like Britain saying that Turkey is more important than the EU going forward. No offence to Turkey of course, but facts are facts.

Their border with Russia is what's causing friction.
To have accepted it so fast afterwards, like the Soviets, India must have been in on it. You have to admit it smells, and you would accuse us if it was the other way round.

India was against the SU invasion. It didn't benefit us either. The US invasion benefitted us instead.
 
This is just another holier than thou excuse. The people of Donbas were attacked since 2014. The people leftover in Kherson along with the UAF are considered enemies, 'cause the rest of the population was evacuated to Russia.
Russian army shelling Ukrainian towns from Donetsk: perfectly acceptable.
Ukrainian army retaliating against Russian army: unjustifiable aggression against Donbas civilians.
Russian army shelling "Russian" cities they've been kicked out of: civilians are enemies anyway.

What a lovely double standard!
 
Russian army shelling Ukrainian towns from Donetsk: perfectly acceptable.
Ukrainian army retaliating against Russian army: unjustifiable aggression against Donbas civilians.
Russian army shelling "Russian" cities they've been kicked out of: civilians are enemies anyway.

What a lovely double standard!

Russian army shelling Ukrainian towns from Donetsk: perfectly acceptable. >>> Doesn't happen.
Ukrainian army retaliating against Russian army: unjustifiable aggression against Donbas civilians. >>> Since 2014.
Russian army shelling "Russian" cities they've been kicked out of: civilians are enemies anyway. >>> Standard Russian tactic of "emptying" a city that consists of only hostiles. It's a tactic even NATO will use in a peer conflict. Recall the Battle of Berlin? It's actually a tactic the West created, Nazis and British/Americans. The Americans were in fact champions at it. Read Bombing of Tokyo, and of course the ill-fated cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Everything you claim the Russians are doing is bad, the West has already done, and far worse than anything we see in Ukraine.

Even that example of Russian assassinations. Even France has done a lot of political assassinations. Hell you've assassinated Greenpeace activists during the Cold War.

This is the West's hypocrisy. The Russians are quite literally just aping the West. You guys started everything.
 
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If oyu are a nuke power, you can't be trusted to keep things clean.
As I stated, Russia could counter any such move by putting missiles in Kaliningrad, or even Cuba, or some South America crap hole. That kind of escalation doesn't benefit NATO or the US. It's a destablising move.

You are blaming Afghanistan instead of Pakistan? :ROFLMAO:
You are blaming the US for modern Islamic fundamentalism. It didn't start in Afghanistan or Pakistan. You're quoting Russian propaganda instead of reading up.

China Russia split in 1969. Ever since then it fell into the American sphere of influence until 1989.
China and Russia split over the USSR's growing presence in Asia and Brezhnev but stating that China is or was in the 'American sphere of influence' is plain bollox and you know it. And after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia and China have grown closer and closer. Just look at the weapons China uses and the jets they fly.

We didn't need to ally with anybody, we simply had to start off as capitalist.
You avoided the question. Would you be better off now or not?

The chart covers only half the picture. Hydrogen uses existing infrastructure. EV requires whole new infrastructure.
It requires charging points but an efficient green grid needs battery storage anyway to fully utilise wind and solar. And no, there's no way you could pump hydrogen use existing fuel station infrastructure without major modifications. Then there's the distribution of hydrogen, the fire hazard is off the scale. When you look at the works of HAL, would you really want someone like that handling hydrogen? Hydrogen tankers on India roads, what could go wrong? :ROFLMAO:

The way the Russians are fighting, it's not very expensive. The human cost is high, but the financial cost isn't.
You're talking garbage. Lion putter has already mentioned that Russia is expending half a dozen R-37Ms a day just as a deterrent, i.e. combat Pk = 0.0. Sometimes a $bn worth of cruise missiles are being fired per day. The losses of major ships, aircraft, even strategic bombers. Then the tanks, the payments to tens of thousands of bereaved families, $7bn bridges etc. This is the most expensive war of the last 50 years by a long way and Russia is wasting expensive missiles on targets that aren't even helping them win just for revenge and pettiness. A case in point would be the cruise missile that hit a pedestrian footbridge.

Good luck if you believe that. A fact that's already been upended by the current war.
We haven't seen any airpower in this war, only air weakness, not least Russia's incapability in the SEAD/DEAD department.

Their border with Russia is what's causing friction.
They've already signed an agreement on that.



India was against the SU invasion. It didn't benefit us either. The US invasion benefitted us instead.
Falsehood.


And what is this shit?

"We have been further assured that Soviet troops will be withdrawn when requested to do so by the Afghan government," Mishra said.


In 1989, Soviet forces, India’s ally in Afghanistan, made a full withdrawal from the country and left India in a precarious position.
 
Russian APC blown up by a mine inside Russia.

 
As I stated, Russia could counter any such move by putting missiles in Kaliningrad, or even Cuba, or some South America crap hole. That kind of escalation doesn't benefit NATO or the US. It's a destablising move.

It needs to be Cuba, not somewhere in Europe. To the Russians, America is the main threat.

You are blaming the US for modern Islamic fundamentalism. It didn't start in Afghanistan or Pakistan. You're quoting Russian propaganda instead of reading up.

Nope. Google all the dates. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, LeT, JeM, Boko Haram all happened after CIA created modern day terrorism in Pakistan.

China and Russia split over the USSR's growing presence in Asia and Brezhnev but stating that China is or was in the 'American sphere of influence' is plain bollox and you know it. And after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia and China have grown closer and closer. Just look at the weapons China uses and the jets they fly.


You avoided the question. Would you be better off now or not?

Like Pakistan? Pakistan was always a US ally, but look where they are today. We are where we are today due to poor economic choices in the beginning. It didn't matter if we were an American ally or not.

It requires charging points but an efficient green grid needs battery storage anyway to fully utilise wind and solar. And no, there's no way you could pump hydrogen use existing fuel station infrastructure without major modifications. Then there's the distribution of hydrogen, the fire hazard is off the scale. When you look at the works of HAL, would you really want someone like that handling hydrogen? Hydrogen tankers on India roads, what could go wrong? :ROFLMAO:

Hydrogen can use the existing pipeline and storage network. Only the fuel dispenser needs some changes. But it continues working with the advantages of a fossil fuel car. For example, if something happens to the electric grid, you can still use a hydrogen car.

Anyway, hydrogen cars are EVs.

Hydrogen is safer than fossil fuels.

You're talking garbage. Lion putter has already mentioned that Russia is expending half a dozen R-37Ms a day just as a deterrent, i.e. combat Pk = 0.0. Sometimes a $bn worth of cruise missiles are being fired per day. The losses of major ships, aircraft, even strategic bombers. Then the tanks, the payments to tens of thousands of bereaved families, $7bn bridges etc. This is the most expensive war of the last 50 years by a long way and Russia is wasting expensive missiles on targets that aren't even helping them win just for revenge and pettiness. A case in point would be the cruise missile that hit a pedestrian footbridge.

That's peanuts for a war.

They've already signed an agreement on that.


:ROFLMAO:


That was largely optics. Externally we showed support, because the West was against us during the time. But internally, we were not happy.

In fact, there was even a plan to support Pak and the US against the Soviets both politically and militarily if they breached certain conditions.

Read what the CIA themselves have to say about it.

This war proves that what's on the surface as seen by sheep and what actually happens behind the scenes are not the same.

Apart from Pakistan and China being our historical enemies, we were also prepared to treat the SU as an enemy if the situation called for it. Our big plan to develop weapons using Western tech was one of the prime reasons, like LCA with an American engine. It officially started in 1983. So you can see that we put a lot of effort against the SU as well. This proves our neutrality.

You will also notice that our defence relations went downhill a few years after the invasion, when it was determined that the SU planned to stay. It only restarted after the Cold War.
 
It needs to be Cuba, not somewhere in Europe. To the Russians, America is the main threat.
Yeah, exactly, and the US doesn't want that crap again, so it won't put missiles on Russia's border.
Nope. Google all the dates. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, LeT, JeM, Boko Haram all happened after CIA created modern day terrorism in Pakistan.

The modern Islamic fundamentalist movements have their origins in the late 19th century.
Try reading the links you post.


Nowhere does it say China was in the US sphere.
Like Pakistan? Pakistan was always a US ally, but look where they are today. We are where we are today due to poor economic choices in the beginning. It didn't matter if we were an American ally or not.
Pakistan is a different kettle of fish altogether. India would be fulfilling China's role as a manufacturing hub is why it makes a difference.

Hydrogen can use the existing pipeline and storage network. Only the fuel dispenser needs some changes. But it continues working with the advantages of a fossil fuel car. For example, if something happens to the electric grid, you can still use a hydrogen car.
And what form is the hydrogen going to be in during this transit and pumping? A gas, or are you going the pressurise it and cryo-cool it? Hydrogen still needs trucks to deliver it to fuel stations, electricity does not. Those trucks need to be produced = more mining, more processing, fabrication, welding etc. It makes no sense. Plus you have time bombs everywhere for terrorists to hit.

Anyway, hydrogen cars are EVs.
Some are, some aren't. There are hydrogen combustion engines too. Water vapour is also a greenhouse gas too, more potent than CO2. In low quantities the atmosphere has considerable ability to process it before it becomes a problem, but start 8bn people using it and who knows, you may not be fixing a problem. Heavier rainfall WILL also become an issue. It's not a solution.



Hydrogen is safer than fossil fuels.
Errr... no.
That's peanuts for a war.
Everything adds up. When was the last war with this much equipment loss?
Fact, you're living in la-la land.
That was largely optics. Externally we showed support, because the West was against us during the time. But internally, we were not happy.
So you recognised a coup government after 2 days, destroying a peaceful neighbour and then supported Russia's invasion, despite not being happy with your decisions? Sounds like something Nixon and Kissinger might do.

In fact, there was even a plan to support Pak and the US against the Soviets both politically and militarily if they breached certain conditions.

Read what the CIA themselves have to say about it.
Ah, so India too would have supported 'terrorists?' Still not very convincing. Russia would have had its port on the Indian Ocean if Pakistan was neutralised anyway. Their job would have been done, you were being used all along.
This war proves that what's on the surface as seen by sheep and what actually happens behind the scenes are not the same.

Apart from Pakistan and China being our historical enemies, we were also prepared to treat the SU as an enemy if the situation called for it. Our big plan to develop weapons using Western tech was one of the prime reasons, like LCA with an American engine. It officially started in 1983. So you can see that we put a lot of effort against the SU as well. This proves our neutrality.
If only you'd gone that way from the start.

You will also notice that our defence relations went downhill a few years after the invasion, when it was determined that the SU planned to stay. It only restarted after the Cold War.
So you began remaking the same mistake.
And we know which island represents the Shire. Gollum's country. 😂
The shire is full of short people. Doesn't fit us. NATO is Elven, this is well known.
 
some usual hypocrisy from west.


 
Yeah, exactly, and the US doesn't want that crap again, so it won't put missiles on Russia's border.

That's up to Russia to decide now.


Nowhere does it say China was in the US sphere.

So no Western factories were set up in China. Nor were military technologies transferred. News to me.

Pakistan is a different kettle of fish altogether. India would be fulfilling China's role as a manufacturing hub is why it makes a difference.

Nah. Whether you become an American ally or not, it has nothing to do with economic policies. If you make good policies, money will come regardless of allegiance.

And what form is the hydrogen going to be in during this transit and pumping? A gas, or are you going the pressurise it and cryo-cool it? Hydrogen still needs trucks to deliver it to fuel stations, electricity does not. Those trucks need to be produced = more mining, more processing, fabrication, welding etc. It makes no sense. Plus you have time bombs everywhere for terrorists to hit.

Hydrogen can use a city's gas infrastructure. Transportation can also be done using cylinders, we do that with LPG already, which is far more dangerous.

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It's very difficult to make them explode. And hydrogen is still safer to use, 'cause unlike LPG, it's lighter than air.

Some are, some aren't. There are hydrogen combustion engines too. Water vapour is also a greenhouse gas too, more potent than CO2. In low quantities the atmosphere has considerable ability to process it before it becomes a problem, but start 8bn people using it and who knows, you may not be fixing a problem. Heavier rainfall WILL also become an issue. It's not a solution.


We plan to use hydrogen fuel cells + electric motor.

Errr... no.

Err... yes. Read up about it.

Everything adds up. When was the last war with this much equipment loss?

The equipment loss is irrelevant, it's peanuts. In exchange the Russians are earning territory and its resources.

Fact, you're living in la-la land.

Sheep think the way you do. I'm sure you pronounce "la-la" as "ba-ba". I'm sure of it.

So you recognised a coup government after 2 days, destroying a peaceful neighbour and then supported Russia's invasion, despite not being happy with your decisions? Sounds like something Nixon and Kissinger might do.

Ukraine and peaceful? 😂

Ah, so India too would have supported 'terrorists?' Still not very convincing. Russia would have had its port on the Indian Ocean if Pakistan was neutralised anyway. Their job would have been done, you were being used all along.

Lol, no. They would have to deal with an insurgency. The SU couldn't manage one in Afghanistan, never mind one against Pakistan. Out of all countries on the planet, only India has been successful against insurgencies.

If only you'd gone that way from the start.

The West didn't allow it. The usual my way or the highway type deal.

So you began remaking the same mistake.

The opposite. We are playing the same game even better. The West is still playing the my way or highway trap, but we are not biting.

To India, Russia is more important than the US or Europe for security.

The shire is full of short people. Doesn't fit us. NATO is Elven, this is well known.

The Nords can claim to be Elven. The Germans and Polish can be Gondor. The French can be Rohan. You guys are definitely Hobbits.
 
some usual hypocrisy from west.



Just the other day I was talking about stirring up trouble in the Balkans. And now stuff's happening already.

 
That's up to Russia to decide now.
The only thing Russia is deciding is whether to spend 3, 5 or 10 years getting killed before withdrawing.
So no Western factories were set up in China. Nor were military technologies transferred. News to me.
Western businesses were set up in Russia too, that doesn't mean it's in the US sphere though does it? You could have been the one with the factories.
Nah. Whether you become an American ally or not, it has nothing to do with economic policies. If you make good policies, money will come regardless of allegiance.
It does if one side has the larger markets.
Hydrogen can use a city's gas infrastructure. Transportation can also be done using cylinders, we do that with LPG already, which is far more dangerous.

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So you want high pressure canisters of hydrogen. What could go wrong. Also look at the pressures involved and effort needed to pressurise the gas and make the canisters.
It's very difficult to make them explode. And hydrogen is still safer to use, 'cause unlike LPG, it's lighter than air.
Nah, it isn't.
We plan to use hydrogen fuel cells + electric motor.
Less efficient than just using a battery and you still get water vapour output.

Err... yes. Read up about it.
Err... no.
The equipment loss is irrelevant, it's peanuts. In exchange the Russians are earning territory and its resources.
Except they're unable to use it because it's permanently under fire. And the equipment loss is not peanuts. Using stand-off missiles instead of guided bombs because you don't have air superiority is more expensive.
Sheep think the way you do. I'm sure you pronounce "la-la" as "ba-ba". I'm sure of it.
You're the one buying the Russian propaganda. Silly sheep.
Ukraine and peaceful? 😂
Yep, Russia destroyed it from 2014 onwards.
Lol, no. They would have to deal with an insurgency. The SU couldn't manage one in Afghanistan, never mind one against Pakistan. Out of all countries on the planet, only India has been successful against insurgencies.
Why do you assume they'll manage one in Ukraine, even if they succeed in taking the land? Oh BTW, they moved 0.5km outside Soledar yesterday after 6 months of dying. :ROFLMAO:
The West didn't allow it. The usual my way or the highway type deal.
India took the stupid road to stupid. The fact your economy is a fraction that of China's says everything.
The opposite. We are playing the same game even better. The West is still playing the my way or highway trap, but we are not biting.
To India, Russia is more important than the US or Europe for security.
You're relying on Russia for security. :ROFLMAO: You're a cash cheque for weapon and oil sales, that's all.
The Nords can claim to be Elven. The Germans and Polish can be Gondor. The French can be Rohan. You guys are definitely Hobbits.
As I said, we're not short enough. And Smeadle is someone who left the Hobbits, so if we're Hobbits, you would need to be Smeadle.