Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[jetray]

we might soon see those old f16's or mirage 2000, all of them in their twilight. There is even talk of typhoons , US would certainly be interested in in sending its competition to a death match . One of the jets which has gone totally radio silent is gripen, not a word on it. Probably they are only meant for business not for fighting I suppose.

Two Ukrainian pilots are in the U.S. for training assessment on attack aircraft, including F-16s

The Ukrainians' skills are being evaluated on simulators at a U.S. military base in Tucson, Arizona, the officials said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632323520272162818

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632323440098017281

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632317915730001920

Close to 6,00,000 casualties of Ukrainian forces. OMG! US/UK have ruined Ukraine for ever:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP...unity?lb=UgkxxMq6TTuBJlvfzpnQHfgJADsHWg-UthSe

@vstol Jockey @randomradio

Slowly, your predictations about this war is coming true. Russia is slowly but surely completely defanging Ukraine.

Russian casualties are higher, even the dead now exceed 150k, the injured is another 3-4 times that. The births also more than replace the deaths for Ukraine.

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632317164144193536

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632314871768383489

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632313443771469826

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632142640861831168

 

[randomradio]

That's the official line but it's very clear that several in this thread, like jetray, vstol and randomradio have done a lot of moralising on Russia's behalf, and it's the same on Twitter and in Indian media. They sure make a lot of excuses for the inexcusable. But the worst part is the way they try and twist it into some kind of NATO conspiracy. NATO gets nothing from this, whilst the economic impact has been trivial, it has been negative all the same.

Russia was pushed into this war.

European NATO gains nothing from this. But the US and UK gain a lot.

Agree here.

It's a US+UK victory.

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632097139026173957

 

[BMD]

Russia was pushed into this war.

Pushed by Putin.

European NATO gains nothing from this. But the US and UK gain a lot.

Like what, having to fund the Ukraine war effort?

It's a US+UK victory.

Only in your imagination.

Russia didn't have to invade Ukraine, it invaded for the same reason it's currently engaged in Syria, Libya, Mali and CAR. To restrict and block the efficient sale of resources into the EU from alternative suppliers, by supporting dictatorships and/or chaos within those suppliers, thus controlling the market in those resources.

Russia is a brutal authoritarian regime, it doesn't care about freedom or human rights, so the idea that they're doing it to 'protect Russian citizens from Nazis' is garbage. Because that just wouldn't be a concern for Putin, even if it were happening. I mean, he's gotten >150k Russians killed in the last year, and another half a million wounded, he doesn't give a shit about such things. It's all about money and power for him. Everything else is a lie.

 

[randomradio]

Close to 6,00,000 casualties of Ukrainian forces. OMG! US/UK have ruined Ukraine for ever:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP...unity?lb=UgkxxMq6TTuBJlvfzpnQHfgJADsHWg-UthSe

@vstol Jockey @randomradio

Slowly, your predictations about this war is coming true. Russia is slowly but surely completely defanging Ukraine.

The actual casualties are higher than that.

The US foolishly pushed Ukraine into a war with Russia without arming them, so, while Russia is fighting with firepower, the Ukrainians are fighting with numbers. So it's natural for the Ukrainians to have casualties that are at least 10 times higher. And by December, the Russians bridged the gap in numbers.

In fact, had the Russians actually been competent right from the beginning, they wouldn't have lost more than 10,000 today instead of nearly 30,000. In any case, most of the casualties on the Russian side are militias and Wagner, and both are less equipped than the main army.

 

[Rajput Lion]

The actual casualties are higher than that.

The US foolishly pushed Ukraine into a war with Russia without arming them, so, while Russia is fighting with firepower, the Ukrainians are fighting with numbers. So it's natural for the Ukrainians to have casualties that are at least 10 times higher. And by December, the Russians bridged the gap in numbers.

In fact, had the Russians actually been competent right from the beginning, they wouldn't have lost more than 10,000 today instead of nearly 30,000. In any case, most of the casualties on the Russian side are militias and Wagner, and both are less equipped than the main army.

Excellent analysis. @BMD bookmark this post and quit your propaganda about inflated Russian casualty numbers.

 

[randomradio]

Pushed by Putin.

Like what, having to fund the Ukraine war effort?

Only in your imagination.

Russia didn't have to invade Ukraine, it invaded for the same reason it's currently engaged in Syria, Libya, Mali and CAR. To restrict and block the efficient sale of resources into the EU from alternative suppliers, by supporting dictatorships and/or chaos within those suppliers, thus controlling the market in those resources.

Russia is a brutal authoritarian regime, it doesn't care about freedom or human rights, so the idea that they're doing it to 'protect Russian citizens from Nazis' is garbage. Because that just wouldn't be a concern for Putin, even if it were happening. I mean, he's gotten >150k Russians killed in the last years, and another half a million wounded, he doesn't give a shit about such things. It's all about money and power for him. Everything else is a lie.

The EU is screwed. Long term.

The US wins everything for a small cost. They don't care even if half of the Ukrainian population is killed, they absolutely don't care. The objective was to preoccupy Russia in a long insurgency. Although that backfired, Russian incompetence is at least ensuring they are bleeding in the process.

As for Ukraine, their birth rate had already plummeted from 520k in 2012 to 293k in 2021. With many people having left the country, most likely permanently, pop growth will be less than 200k births, possibly even 100k births after this war is over. And by the time Russia is done, they would have wiped out at least 5 years' worth of pop growth. Will be even worse if after Donbas they train their guns towards Kharkiv, Poltava and Odessa. If the Russians take even half the country, Ukraine's done. It will take them 50-100 years to fix everything, and that's extremely unlikely given the low pop growth.

The EU is definitely screwed, they lost their best source of energy almost permanently and the US has raised import barriers and cut the EU out of the best market. And we are yet to see the security implications of becoming enemies with Russia again.

 

[RASALGHUL]

European NATO gains nothing from this. But the US and UK gain a lot.

And What Does UK & US gain?

 

[RASALGHUL]

The EU is definitely screwed, they lost their best source of energy almost permanently

Agree here.

and the US has raised import barriers and cut the EU out of the best market.

IRA and CHIPS ACT?

And we are yet to see the security implications of becoming enemies with Russia again.

 

[randomradio]

And What Does UK & US gain?

Preoccupying Russia, taking over the European energy and defence markets, cutting off European access to the US market, gaining political and security leverage over Europe, gaining security leverage over Russia, pushing Russia out as an energy and defence exports competitor in other countries like the ME and Africa, pushing Russia into the Chinese camp, gaining leverage over China's economy, gaining psychological advantage over China due to sanctions regime and so on.

Like all the advantages one power gets over the other countries that are in trouble with another power, so a massive coup for the US would have been if India decided to choose sides.

 

[Rajput Lion]

And What Does UK & US gain?

Anglo rule across the ocean. Weakened Russia(their arch enemy), weakened Europe(their bi a t ch) and once they succeed, next target would have been China and India.

 

[BMD]

The US foolishly pushed Ukraine into a war with Russia

Lay off the LSD. The version of 'reality' you think you're living in doesn't exist. Ukraine was attacked by Russia in 2014 and in 2022. How the fcuk can you push a country into being invaded by another country?

 

[BMD]

The EU is screwed. Long term.

The EU is definitely screwed, they lost their best source of energy almost permanently and the US has raised import barriers and cut the EU out of the best market. And we are yet to see the security implications of becoming enemies with Russia again.

Disagree, the markets say otherwise. Energy resources are available from elsewhere and the trend is towards reducing reliance on fossil fuels anyway. I would say that Russia is economically screwed having lost its best market in the twilight decades for those resources, except that it was never really not economically screwed in the first place. It somehow manages the Venezuela trick of having lots of resources but still a poor economy.

The US wins everything for a small cost. They don't care even if half of the Ukrainian population is killed, they absolutely don't care. The objective was to preoccupy Russia in a long insurgency. Although that backfired, Russian incompetence is at least ensuring they are bleeding in the process.

I think the objective is that Russia stops its preoccupation with death and destruction, and complies with international law last I checked.

As for Ukraine, their birth rate had already plummeted from 520k in 2012 to 293k in 2021. With many people having left the country, most likely permanently, pop growth will be less than 200k births, possibly even 100k births after this war is over. And by the time Russia is done, they would have wiped out at least 5 years' worth of pop growth. Will be even worse if after Donbas they train their guns towards Kharkiv, Poltava and Odessa. If the Russians take even half the country, Ukraine's done. It will take them 50-100 years to fix everything, and that's extremely unlikely given the low pop growth.

Millions have left Russia and the death rate is currently nearly twice the birth rate. And their underlying financial figures are censored they're so bad.

And we are yet to see the security implications of becoming enemies with Russia again.

Well last time the result was that they underwent economic collapse while the rest of Europe thrived.

Anglo rule across the ocean. Weakened Russia(their arch enemy), weakened Europe(their bi a t ch) and once they succeed, next target would have been China and India.

@RASALGHUL See what I mean about their prebaked judgements regardless of the circumstances or facts?

 

[BMD]

Preoccupying Russia, taking over the European energy and defence markets, cutting off European access to the US market, gaining political and security leverage over Europe, gaining security leverage over Russia, pushing Russia out as an energy and defence exports competitor in other countries like the ME and Africa, pushing Russia into the Chinese camp, gaining leverage over China's economy, gaining psychological advantage over China due to sanctions regime and so on.

Like all the advantages one power gets over the other countries that are in trouble with another power, so a massive coup for the US would have been if India decided to choose sides.

A lot of those things are just negative consequences that Putin made happen. If you try robbing a bank and get thrown in jail it isn't the US and UK's fault.

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632359150314201092

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632365816426508288

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632364806077399040

 

[RASALGHUL]

Disagree, the markets say otherwise. Energy resources are available from elsewhere and the trend is towards reducing reliance on fossil fuels anyway.

Energy Transition won't be easy, Quick and Won't be Cheap. You are being too optimist here.

I would say that Russia is economically screwed having lost its best market in the twilight decades for those resources, except that it was never really not economically screwed in the first place.

Agree here, Russian Govt. Revenue are going to take a big hit. But Putin regime will rule for Significant time IMO.

@RASALGHUL See what I mean about their prebaked judgements regardless of the circumstances or facts?

Yup! Unbridled West-o-phobia Run Amok in Some Individual.

 

[BMD]

Energy Transition won't be easy, Quick and Won't be Cheap. You are being too optimist here.

Reducing reliance won't be easy but new ICE cars are being phased out in 2030 and new gas boilers are being phased out in 2030. So there's going to be a monumental reduction in 15 years from now. EVs are already popping up everywhere and I see solar panels going on more roofs, with accompanying batteries. Oil price has been held down at $7X despite the EU massively reducing their consumption of Russian oil. There's also a number of gas pipelines planned in Africa, although Russia will use Wagner PMC to try and install dictatorships and sew chaos there so that no mutual benefit can exist.

Five Major Oil and Gas Pipeline Investments in Africa

Transnational oil and gas pipeline infrastructure offers prime opportunity for Africa to capitalize on its resources and ensure sustainable growth.

energycapitalpower.com

Agree here, Russian Govt. Revenue are going to take a big hit. But Putin regime will rule for Significant time IMO.

Yeah, probably. He kept the population relatively poor, so in Russia, a 'crap' economy is kind of normalised.