Now draw a map for 800AD. Nothing originally belonged to 'Russia' anymore than it did the US. Russia has no more entitlement to Ukraine than Britain has to India.
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Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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India, China may have prevented Russia from nuking Ukraine, says US
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken in an interview to The Atlantic said India and China may have prevented Russia's Vladimir Putin from using nuclear weapons on Ukraine to end the war.
Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2023)
New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe.
@BMD your thoughts?
Ukraine Can't pull of this on their own.
NATO Resources were surely at play.
Did they have these king of capacity? It's far from Ukraine, and in a region near several countries with naval forces. Doubtfull...."New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months."Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2023)
New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe.www.nytimes.com
@BMD your thoughts?
Ukraine Can't pull of this on their own.
NATO Resources were surely at play.
For me it's a US coup. A maner to force Germany to leave Russia for the west camp because the russian gas is definitively out."New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months."Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2023)
New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe.
@BMD your thoughts?
Ukraine Can't pull of this on their own.
NATO Resources were surely at play.
And a new very lucrative market for the US gas...
It says pro-Ukrainians. Word of play here as it doesn't directly say they were Ukrainian. pro-Ukrainians could be anyone, from Ukraine or friendly country to Ukraine, my guess.
It holds good for most of the countries, as nation states is a concept that started in last 200 years and most of the countries are now what is consolidation of areas/ppl . Some of them emerged from civilizations others on linguistic, religion , geographical boundaries..etc. In most places where geographical boundaries are not strong, shared/overlapping identities is the norm.
What is special abt ukraine is that the claims that the boys make, that ukraine is totally separate absolutely unique identity , which they often justify by showing maps with territories through the history, some of the cooked some of the half true. Their argument is similar to what pakistanis make that they are the chosen ones and their country existed from time immemorial and obviously by default it is theirs. (for obvious reasons it is never applied across the board)
Not really mate. The fact is that the Kievan Rus' was started by invading Norse people from the east coast of Sweden. Before that Crimea was Greek historically. Saying that Ukraine didn't use to exist, well neither did Russia. So either they both exist as internationally recognised or neither does. I mean Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before the more modern Russian Empire pre-USSR. It's just retarded to start dredging up who owned what, rather than accepting what is internationally recognised today. Fact is countries are recognised by the UN and have to be treated as such, even though some are utterly fcuking ridiculous, e.g. North Korea, which is really a pantomime prison camp not a country. It's one thing to remove a despot and hand a country back to the people, it's another thing to carve parts off a country with an elected leader and keep them as your own like it was still the 18th century.
If the Russian Empire had become democratic in the 20th century they likely would have kept far more territory, but instead they turned into Communist douche bags and the result is that all their former colonies hate them. You should be more than familiar with that sentiment at the very least. Then, post Communism, they proceeded with a more generic form of economic incompetence and authoritarianism, which just isn't too attractive for neighbours when compared with the EU.
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