Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[jetray]

We excel in areas where we throw money at and the participation rate is high, like cricket, chess, shooting etc. The military is also one such area.

cricket is game played by ex colonies at the most 20 countries, compete in game that world plays like football.
chess thats individual brilliance which doesnt need much infra or planning as a team.
shooting , so how many gold medals has India got in olympics ?

The military is also one such area ? good luck with that , how many big empires ppl from India have built during the course of history. Hardly any with few exceptions. smaller countries in europe have projected power at far greater distance than India has historically. India could not even defend itself from western attacks for 1000 years , then by sea from europe and you think it can achieve wonders militarily.
Looks more of a fantasy than facts.

As usual all that you presented is usual Indian excuses, no one is preventing India/Indians from focusing on sports, their culture & their mentality is their fault. Indians are not greatest sports ppl ,ok ,so are they geniuses in science & technology ? hell no. They are the same piece of thrash in other areas as well.

 

[jetray]

Random has explained perfectly well what I wanted to imply. All I would say that just look at Indian army's performance from WW 1 and beyond and it's clear why they deserve the respect. Only reason PLA hasn't attacked so far despite ahead in tech is Indian army's willpower and fighting ability. They know that their soldiers can't match it.

Indians fought for whom? It says a lot when you dont fight for yourself but for others. In simple words they are called retarded.

But as I said this is my "opinion", if you don't agree then so be it.

Nothing prevents you from having an opinion but at least should be reasonable and based on facts not on fantasies & wishful delusions

 

[kharabela]

cricket is game played by ex colonies at the most 20 countries, compete in game that world plays like football.
chess thats individual brilliance which doesnt need much infra or planning as a team.
shooting , so how many gold medals has India got in olympics ?

The military is also one such area ? good luck with that , how many big empires ppl from India have built during the course of history. Hardly any with few exceptions. smaller countries in europe have projected power at far greater distance than India has historically. India could not even defend itself from western attacks for 1000 years , then by sea from europe and you think it can achieve wonders militarily.
Looks more of a fantasy than facts.

As usual all that you presented is usual Indian excuses, no one is preventing India/Indians from focusing on sports, their culture & their mentality is their fault. Indians are not greatest sports ppl ,ok ,so are they geniuses in science & technology ? hell no. They are the same piece of thrash in other areas as well.

Indians fought for whom? It says a lot when you dont fight for yourself but for others. In simple words they are called retarded.


Nothing prevents you from having an opinion but at least should be reasonable and based on facts not on fantasies & wishful delusions

I agree , armies shd nt be compared unless subjected to same level of situation and scrutiny . But we shd not talk abt civilization and empire at this moment . Because this is the worse moment to glorify on this subject . You empire is gone , shattered . Now you are at war with Ukraine , kind of civil war if you look at it from perspective of history and empire . And this war is happening when your population is declining . World trade , technology is taken over by Big tech companies from west and china . You have no role in it , just living the legacy of soviet . At least india still stand and growing despite its colonial history , post colonial soviet disaster economic model and challenges from both china and pakistan . It is for future to judge india , how it ll progress . Regarding history , To know more abt indian civilization i wld recommend you to read " wonder that india was " by AL Bashasam .

 

[jetray]

You empire is gone , shattered . Now you are at war with Ukraine , kind of civil war if you look at it from perspective of history and empire . And this war is happening when your population is declining . World trade , technology is taken over by Big tech companies from west and china . You have no role in it , just living the legacy of soviet

above discussion is not abt russia or any other particular country but in general

At least india still stand and growing despite its colonial history , post colonial soviet disaster economic model and challenges from both china and pakistan . It is for future to judge india , how it ll progress . Regarding history , To know more abt indian civilization i wld recommend you to read " wonder that india was " by AL Bashasam

of course you are right future might turn out different. but if past is any indicator future holds no promises. At its heights when Indian economy commanded more than 20% share of worlds economy it hardly did any thing spectacular militarily. Countries with smaller economy or even worse more backward countries from west have taken India to cleaners.

you can always have hope but it needs to be backed by realism.

 

[kharabela]

above discussion is not abt russia or any other particular country but in general

of course you are right future might turn out different. but if past is any indicator future holds no promises. At its heights when Indian economy commanded more than 20% share of worlds economy it hardly did any thing spectacular militarily. Countries with smaller economy or even worse more backward countries from west have taken India to cleaners.

you can always have hope but it needs to be backed by realism.

India provided enough agricultural produce unlike those central asian mongoloids who had to venture other land due to climatic crisis in those time . The European empire was built in era of scientific innovation .

Still some indian empires -

Mayura empire

Chola empire .

Right now times have changed . Age of empire is gone . Its a different kind of battle . Life used to be stagnant with hardly any technological innovations . Power used to be defined by the size of empire , number of horse , agricultural produce , life stock etc for a long time . Now each year new technology coming and changing the economy model .

 

[BMD]

The Russians have been advancing to Kupiansk over the last month. UAF blew up the pipeline on the way to prevent Russian advance.

The map hasn't moved at all there for months and still hasn't. It's still Ukrainian controlled.

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That's 'cause you don't know what's happening.

I look at Liveuamap every day. It's you who goes by random posters on Twitter for all your information.

Ukraine's offensive has to happen upriver, genius, not the flooded areas. Like the nuclear power plant. Water gets shallower behind the dam, where the reservoir is.

How does reducing the potential attack points help an offensive genius?

 

[BMD]

Yeah, so it's not a lot. You can carry very heavy weights underwater via air lifting bags.

Lifting 5T under water is peanuts. You only need a few divers.

That didn't look like a 5t weight to me. And it says, "as soon as it goes 1m up, you can't control it." The size of balloons necessary to move 5t would be huge and impractical. You're stretching. Much simpler that the Russians moved it in by road.

No, they are talking about underwater explosions.

Ukraine accuses Russia of blowing up major dam

Water was surging through the critical Kakhovka dam Tuesday, unleashing flooding that could threaten hundreds of thousands of residents, as well as a nearby nuclear plant.

www.nbcnews.com

Vladimir Saldo, the Russian-installed head of the Kherson region, said in a video posted on Telegram that "a missile attack" by Ukraine had hit the dam, but he insisted the situation was manageable and a major evacuation was not required.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666429505173430279

Yeah, they have water today due to the heavy rains. But this problem will last for years, perhaps a decade or more.

Using its own sources, the water they have is only usable during good seasons, and it's not enough. During dry seasons and emergencies, they run out of water.

It lasted for 8 years last time and they managed.

No, it didn't. Also, the Ukrainians are supposed to attack... Russia has no offensive plans for the region. And they don't have a second line of defence either.

Flooding is invariably used to halt attacks since the dawn of warfare. You're just trolling.

If I thought Ukraine had done it, I'd just say so. At the end of the day, it's their dam and their country that's being invaded. Desperate circumstances of self-defence allow for things that wouldn't normally comply with international law - there are provisions in international law for that. But there's literally no advantage for them in doing so.

 

[Innominate]

We now return to our special presentation, Ukraine-Russia thread with limited commer... off-topics.

Russians have again fallen for deception. This is not "thee offensive" but a deception to hide/mask the probing attacks by activating Ukrainian forces all along the frontline that were in defensive positions in a simultaneous localized counter attack which has caused Russia to panic and think the offensive has begun when it hasn't. You can't blame them since these local counter attacks have actually pushed Russians backed from their positions all the while 20+ brigades are dozens of kilometers in the rear waiting for the go. Imagine the hell they are going to unleash on Russian forces when it really begins.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666463406193254402

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666439637299081216

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665528801030447104

 

[BMD]

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Chola empire .

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Imperialists!

 

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[LX1111]

Random has explained perfectly well what I wanted to imply. All I would say that just look at Indian army's performance from WW 1 and beyond and it's clear why they deserve the respect. Only reason PLA hasn't attacked so far despite ahead in tech is Indian army's willpower and fighting ability. They know that their soldiers can't match it.

But as I said this is my "opinion", if you don't agree then so be it.

War is an extension of politics, not that the PLA is stronger than India to start a war, just as the US does not have to go to war with China

 

[BMD]

Many in Russia's elite no longer believe Putin can win the Ukraine war, report says: 'The best they hope for is that Russia will lose without humiliation'

A mood of gloom about the war in Ukraine hangs over Russia's business and political elites, according to Bloomberg, and faith in Putin is shaken.

us.yahoo.com

 

[BMD]

Russia's air defence has started defeating Storm Shadow... oh wait, no it hasn't.

I think it's fair to say that the percentage of Storm Shadows Russia has stopped is small compared to the percentage of Kh-101/Kalibrs Ukraine has stopped.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666765303077036032

 

[BMD]

Russian troops shelled the area of Korabelnaya Square in Kherson during the evacuation of residents of flooded areas. Journalists of the publication "Grata" came under fire .

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Name a country whose media calls for war crimes non-stop, but afterwards denies it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666767540742225924

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666760076743573506

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666752867040886784

Russia's air defence has started defeating Storm Shadow... oh wait, no it hasn't.

I think it's fair to say that the percentage of Storm Shadows Russia has stopped is small compared to the percentage of Kh-101/Kalibrs Ukraine has stopped.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666765303077036032

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666716069237514240

 

[BMD]

Water supply halted in Pokrov of Dnipropetrovsk region​

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[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666784578747396098

 

[randomradio]

cricket is game played by ex colonies at the most 20 countries, compete in game that world plays like football.
chess thats individual brilliance which doesnt need much infra or planning as a team.
shooting , so how many gold medals has India got in olympics ?

It will improve as funding and facilities increasese and kids can play sports full time.

The military is also one such area ? good luck with that , how many big empires ppl from India have built during the course of history. Hardly any with few exceptions. smaller countries in europe have projected power at far greater distance than India has historically. India could not even defend itself from western attacks for 1000 years , then by sea from europe and you think it can achieve wonders militarily.
Looks more of a fantasy than facts.

As usual all that you presented is usual Indian excuses, no one is preventing India/Indians from focusing on sports, their culture & their mentality is their fault. Indians are not greatest sports ppl ,ok ,so are they geniuses in science & technology ? hell no. They are the same piece of thrash in other areas as well.

India was far too rich compared to the rest of the world, so more funds were focused on preserving what was there versus conquering poor lands. China was the same, its the reason why they scrapped their navy. India lacked a history of using slave labour as well, so there was no need to conquer lands and enslave people. India on its own was pretty big as difficult to manage on its own as well.

Otoh, others were conquerors because they lacked resources at home. It's the same reason why Japan attacked China and SEA in the WW2 period.

Your arguments are like asking why Elon Musk doesn't scrimp and save like the rest of humanity. Or why burglars would choose to burgle Jeff Bezos' house rather than a slum. So conquerors, glorified thiefs, had to come to us. India controlled the wealth in the entire region, so there was no need to conquer what we already indirectly owned. Otoh, conquerors could keep attacking at the time of their choosing, and we had to repeal them every time, but one of them only had to succeed once.

As for science and tech, India is too poor. Our per capita income is a rounding error for other countries with higher science output. Doing research in India with our salaries is practically impossible, not counting the amount of money that goes into applying for patents and IP. So science and tech is only handled by corporations and they didn't have money or the market, until now.

For these things to change, India's per capita income must cross $5000. That's when market forces allow for additional spending, basically gives the population disposable income, ie, money not spent on rent, food, healthcare and education.

The military needs skills that are developed in cricket and chess, and we are champions at that. Our SFs regularly come on top in foreign competitions too.

Here's one:

Indian Army wins gold medal at Cambrian Patrol Exercise in UK

The Cambrian Patrol Exercise is considered the ultimate test of human endurance and team spirit and is considered the “Olympics of military patrolling”.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[randomradio]

The map hasn't moved at all there for months and still hasn't. It's still Ukrainian controlled.

The Russians concentrate on killing, not just taking territory.

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I look at Liveuamap every day. It's you who goes by random posters on Twitter for all your information.

There are better maps around. Google them.

How does reducing the potential attack points help an offensive genius?

'Cause the Russians are not prepared in other offensive points.

That didn't look like a 5t weight to me. And it says, "as soon as it goes 1m up, you can't control it." The size of balloons necessary to move 5t would be huge and impractical. You're stretching. Much simpler that the Russians moved it in by road.

Watch the video again, and if you don't get it watch it again. Keep watching it until you get it.

Ukraine accuses Russia of blowing up major dam

Water was surging through the critical Kakhovka dam Tuesday, unleashing flooding that could threaten hundreds of thousands of residents, as well as a nearby nuclear plant.

www.nbcnews.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666429505173430279

Only idiots give importance to state media at the time of war.

It lasted for 8 years last time and they managed.

At huge economic costs.

Flooding is invariably used to halt attacks since the dawn of warfare. You're just trolling.

If I thought Ukraine had done it, I'd just say so. At the end of the day, it's their dam and their country that's being invaded. Desperate circumstances of self-defence allow for things that wouldn't normally comply with international law - there are provisions in international law for that. But there's literally no advantage for them in doing so.

It's now a war crime.

 

[Rajput Lion]

War is an extension of politics, not that the PLA is stronger than India to start a war, just as the US does not have to go to war with China

Your point is correct, but military power works as a deterrent. Had Ukraine retained nukes, do you think Russia would have dared attack them? The world respects power. Fact.

It will improve as funding and facilities increasese and kids can play sports full time.



India was far too rich compared to the rest of the world, so more funds were focused on preserving what was there versus conquering poor lands. China was the same, its the reason why they scrapped their navy. India lacked a history of using slave labour as well, so there was no need to conquer lands and enslave people. India on its own was pretty big as difficult to manage on its own as well.

Otoh, others were conquerors because they lacked resources at home. It's the same reason why Japan attacked China and SEA in the WW2 period.

Your arguments are like asking why Elon Musk doesn't scrimp and save like the rest of humanity. Or why burglars would choose to burgle Jeff Bezos' house rather than a slum. So conquerors, glorified thiefs, had to come to us. India controlled the wealth in the entire region, so there was no need to conquer what we already indirectly owned. Otoh, conquerors could keep attacking at the time of their choosing, and we had to repeal them every time, but one of them only had to succeed once.

As for science and tech, India is too poor. Our per capita income is a rounding error for other countries with higher science output. Doing research in India with our salaries is practically impossible, not counting the amount of money that goes into applying for patents and IP. So science and tech is only handled by corporations and they didn't have money or the market, until now.

For these things to change, India's per capita income must cross $5000. That's when market forces allow for additional spending, basically gives the population disposable income, ie, money not spent on rent, food, healthcare and education.

The military needs skills that are developed in cricket and chess, and we are champions at that. Our SFs regularly come on top in foreign competitions too.

Here's one:

Indian Army wins gold medal at Cambrian Patrol Exercise in UK

The Cambrian Patrol Exercise is considered the ultimate test of human endurance and team spirit and is considered the “Olympics of military patrolling”.

www.hindustantimes.com

Another incredible post. Wow you're bringing your A game in every single post of yours. Kudos.