Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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There's no record of Ukraine having a submersible large enough to carry that weight of explosives. Russia would likely also have sensors in place to detect against that. They would need to have gone back and forth hundreds of times undetected to build up such a quantity piecemeal. It's simply impossible. You keep forgetting that this is a dam, not some fragile structure that can be destroyed with little effort.
Zelensky said last October that Russia had mined the dam and it's far easier to believe that explosives were placed inside the dam by the Russians who controlled it.
Where is the benefit for the Ukrainian offensive in making the river crossing a dozen times wider? Sun Tzu sure as hell never wrote, "when attacking over water, make the crossing as wide as f*cking possible," and I'm sure medieval kings didn't built moats to make it easier for their attackers either.
Evidence, or just a statement by a random guy on Twitter?
Two destroyed vehicles, assuming the one hit by the helo wasn't a grain harvester this time.
To move that weight of explosives 1 mile underwater undetected? What's your theory here? They've been going back and forth underwater for the last year undetected, slowly building it up? And decided to swim an extra few hundred metres each time just to put it right next to the Russian-controlled building? And they took a chance on the Russians never doing an underwater inspection even once in that time?
Yeah, or the Russians just moved explosives in on trucks and put them in the turbine hall.Russia has the CCTV, so why doesn't it just publish the moment of the collapse itself? If it's classified, there's only one reason for that. There has never in history been an incident of divers swimming into enemy territory and blowing up a dam. What's the motive here? How does it play into the counter-offensive in a positive way?
June 4th already shows partial damage right next to Russia-controlled building.
Satellite images show the Kakhovka dam was already partially damaged days before it collapsed
Parts of a roadway on the dam disappeared between Thursday and Friday, indicating that the dam was already damaged, the BBC reported.
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To blow up a dam from the outside you are talking tons. This dam was thicker than the dams destroyed in WWII and they required several hits with a 9,250lb bomb carrying 3 tons (6,600lb) of Torpex (1.5x more powerful than TNT) so 4.5 tons TNT equivalent. Some of the dams targeted in WWII didn't breach. From the inside it's far easier. The feat you're describing is logistically impossible.
Russia is alleging missile strikes anyway.
Crimea has been without supply from the canal for 8 years and managed, and it turns out there water reserves were full.
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Возможное обмеление Северо-Крымского канала из-за подрыва Каховской ГЭС не будет критичным для Крыма, запасов воды в республике достаточно, заявил председатель Государственного совета республики Владимир Константинов в эфире телеканала "Россия-24".
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It messed up Ukrainian positions and screwed up the possibility of assaulting across the river and made tons of pro-Ukrainian citizens homeless. It's more likely that Russia either planned a partial breach to flood Ukrainian positions on the islands mid-river, or didn't tell its troops so as not to make the culprit obvious. Militarily it only plays to the advantage of Russia overall.
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Now you're just being stupid.
1. Kupiansk is in Ukrainian-controlled territory.
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2. What Russian advance? Russia hasn't moved in that section of the frontline since they were pushed back last September. They haven't advanced anywhere for several weeks in fact.
It stops ay UAP offensive likely for over a month. Once the water recedes you're going to have mud on banks same with the banks east of the dam. It's going to be a no-go until August and who cares if a handful of Russian soldiers drown by not giving them a heads-up the ends justify the means.To blow up a dam from the outside you are talking tons. This dam was thicker than the dams destroyed in WWII and they required several hits with a 9,250lb bomb carrying 3 tons (6,600lb) of Torpex (1.5x more powerful than TNT) so 4.5 tons TNT equivalent. Some of the dams targeted in WWII didn't breach. From the inside it's far easier. The feat you're describing is logistically impossible.
Russia is alleging missile strikes anyway.
Crimea has been without supply from the canal for 8 years and managed, and it turns out there water reserves were full.
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Возможное обмеление Северо-Крымского канала из-за подрыва Каховской ГЭС не будет критичным для Крыма, запасов воды в республике достаточно, заявил председатель Государственного совета республики Владимир Константинов в эфире телеканала "Россия-24".
It messed up Ukrainian positions and screwed up the possibility of assaulting across the river and made tons of pro-Ukrainian citizens homeless. It's more likely that Russia either planned a partial breach to flood Ukrainian positions on the islands mid-river, or didn't tell its troops so as not to make the culprit obvious. Militarily it only plays to the advantage of Russia overall.
Btw Radio is just trolling at this point.
Floating mines, contaminated water, dead fish among threats from dam breach: Ukraine updates
A day after a dam in southern Ukraine was badly damaged, some towns are submerged, structures swept away and mass evacuations are ongoing.
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Yeah, so it's not a lot. You can carry very heavy weights underwater via air lifting bags.
Lifting 5T under water is peanuts. You only need a few divers.
No, they are talking about underwater explosions.
Crimea has been without supply from the canal for 8 years and managed, and it turns out there water reserves were full.
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Возможное обмеление Северо-Крымского канала из-за подрыва Каховской ГЭС не будет критичным для Крыма, запасов воды в республике достаточно, заявил председатель Государственного совета республики Владимир Константинов в эфире телеканала "Россия-24".
Yeah, they have water today due to the heavy rains. But this problem will last for years, perhaps a decade or more.
Using its own sources, the water they have is only usable during good seasons, and it's not enough. During dry seasons and emergencies, they run out of water.
No, it didn't. Also, the Ukrainians are supposed to attack... Russia has no offensive plans for the region. And they don't have a second line of defence either.
Now you're just being stupid.
1. Kupiansk is in Ukrainian-controlled territory.
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2. What Russian advance? Russia hasn't moved in that section of the frontline since they were pushed back last September.
The Russians have been advancing to Kupiansk over the last month. UAF blew up the pipeline on the way to prevent Russian advance.
That's 'cause you don't know what's happening.
Ukraine's offensive has to happen upriver, genius, not the flooded areas. Like the nuclear power plant. Water gets shallower behind the dam, where the reservoir is.
you think thats a good reason ? ppl can join military for employment as well.Unlike forced/conscription based Russian army, our army is full-on volunteer and large(st) one. The difference is stark, IMO. If you believe otherwise then 'to each his own'.
India cannot even manage to run simple competitive field of sports efficiently and you think we can fight a war which requires mastery of several fields not to mention the most critical stuff like leadership & vision.
We excel in areas where we throw money at and the participation rate is high, like cricket, chess, shooting etc. The military is also one such area.
The rest of our sporting body is mainly composed of part-timer athletes, they have full time jobs and play in the morning/evening, unlike professionals in other countries who can dedicate their entire lives to sports. Another factor is parents don't encourage their kids playing sports, so most of them pick it up as teenagers when the option is presented, whereas in sporting countries, they start as early as 4 years old, giving them a 10-year advantage over our kids. Kids don't play with professional rules from the beginning 'cause there's no infrastructure for it. Lastly, very few of our kids actually have the option of choosing the sport of their choice, most of them have to play whatever's available near them, which is not a lot. So cricket ends up becoming the number one option.
But whatever we do have access to, we are excellent at them. And we are more than brilliant in strategy and mind games like cricket and chess.
Random has explained perfectly well what I wanted to imply. All I would say that just look at Indian army's performance from WW 1 and beyond and it's clear why they deserve the respect. Only reason PLA hasn't attacked so far despite ahead in tech is Indian army's willpower and fighting ability. They know that their soldiers can't match it.
But as I said this is my "opinion", if you don't agree then so be it.
Guys , big scale battle is has started involving hundred of tanks and other equipment , towards zaporozhye direction . One Russian source claiming it with operation Hoveyzeh 1981 . In Hoveyzeh total 680 tanks were used summing up both side ( iran and iraq ) . Also multiple explosions in Tokmak in recent hours .
