Yes but if we are to replace the existing engines and decide to buy more we can manufacture non critical parts and import critical parts under licence agreement and also for service related needs. Though it may cost us a lot...
Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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You're just making up numbers to make up excuses for the Russian advance is so slow.
They can't use their abilities to their fullest because they are not fighting some rebels in Chechnya. They are fighting people with counter-battery fire capabilities. They can't just sit in one spot firing artillery because radars can pin-point the origin of the fire and fire back. Their enemy also has anti-air capabilities, which has prevented them from using air power as much as they'd like. Their armour is also struggling against ATGMs and drones because they haven't gained air superiority.
Logistical capabilities have also fallen short of allowing them to use their equipment properly.
You really can't propaganda your way out of realising the facts.
No, you just don't have a credible argument.
It's exactly what will happen in North America, Europe, much of South America, Africa, Australia, NZ, ROK, Japan etc. The Russians will just be cut out altogether.
You're conflating Russian-speaking with pro-Russian. If those areas were pro-Russian, Russia would not be stalled there.
People using exit corridors and being shot and hit with mortar fire.
There's no such thing as "pro-Russia territories" in Ukraine anyway. Do not confuse being Russophone with being Russophile! Just because their native language is Russian doesn't mean that they feel they are Russian or that they want to live under Vladimir Putin's thumb.
Do you mean rest of Europe minus your miserable damp isles are willing to forgo Russian oil & gas? You guys can't even make insignificant sacrifices like these & we're expected to believe if Russia wasn't a N armed state, NATO would've effectively handled Russia's hash. Don't make me laugh, Paddy.
I guess that's the reason why the Russian Army has fallen back on it's tried & tested strategy - use maximum artillery & level everything to the ground. Occupy Ukraine for eternity & in a couple of generations everything would be forgotten. It's been done before. Let's see how the aftermath of the war pans out for all the actors & bystanders on the periphery.
That's increasingly true of actual Russians too.
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www.schengenvisainfo.com
Russia arrests nearly 5,000 anti-war protesters over the weekend
Thousands turned out in cities across Russia this weekend to protest the war in Ukraine, risking arrest in a country where such demonstrations are illegal. Some were reportedly subjected to torture.
www.npr.org
Before all this people would debate how democratic Russia really is, well Putin has answered the question, it isn't.
Ah yes! The evil empire strikes back. Yet if it weren't for the Americans like in WW-2, your collective goose was already cooked. Let's face it Paddy, apart from breast beating on an industrial scale you're too effete & impotent to do anything. Peace has weakened you, your resolve & your character. You're in an advanced stage of decay . Atrophy is your lot.That's increasingly true of actual Russians too.
‘My future is taken away from me’: Russians flee to escape consequences of Moscow’s war
Growing numbers of Russians are leaving the country, fearful of possible martial law and the war’s consequenceswww.theguardian.com
Russians Leaving Their Country for Finland Due to Fear of Isolation
Citizens of Russia have been leaving their country for Finland as the sanctions from the Western countries as well as the pressure from the Russian government just keeps on growing. The border crossing between Finland and Russia, located at Vaalimaa, has been registering an increased flow of...
Russia arrests nearly 5,000 anti-war protesters over the weekend
Thousands turned out in cities across Russia this weekend to protest the war in Ukraine, risking arrest in a country where such demonstrations are illegal. Some were reportedly subjected to torture.
Before all this people would debate how democratic Russia really is, well Putin has answered the question, it isn't.
War in Ukraine: 7 km from Kiev, the encirclement of the capital is slowed down by territorial defence
Karen Lajon - Yesterday at 22:00
On the E95 motorway, about twenty kilometres from Kiev, checkpoints follow one another and the tension is palpable. Brovary is the last strategic lock on this north-eastern axis that Russian forces have been trying to break through with increasing ferocity since the beginning of the week. Smoke columns can be seen in the distance. The last crossing point held by the Territorial Defence Force is less than 7 kilometres from this town on the outskirts of Kiev. The stakes are high. If this route is conquered by Vladimir Putin's soldiers, it would lead them directly into the heart of the Ukrainian capital.
The shell fell in front of his house. Alexander shows the picture on his phone. "I woke up and it was as if my reality changed that day. Since then, the 40-year-old construction worker has joined the territorial defence. The main idea," he says, "is to force the Russians out of the woods because they are hiding among the civilians and that makes things complicated. We're not going to shoot blindly and risk killing our own people." He also insists on showing the two tanks his comrades destroyed on Wednesday. But he is ordered not to go any further.
For Mykhailo Samus, a specialist in military defence issues in Kiev, this Russian loss is not surprising. Everything was miscalculated from the start," he says. The generals told Putin that it would be a campaign game, that everything would be over in forty-eight hours, or even seventy-two hours. And here we are, after seventeen days of war.
A change of tactics
Because the Ukrainians resisted, and they also organised themselves. Twenty-five thousand small groups of the Territorial Defence Force watch over the city of Kiev alone. There is hardly a building in the capital that is not protected," says Mykhailo Samus. The Russians are in a stalemate that is forcing them to change their tactics. For him, it is clear that the intelligence work on the ground has not been up to scratch, that the Ukrainian population's support for Vladimir Putin's project has been greatly overestimated. "The military forces put in place, he continues, attest to this very poor assessment of the situation. They are insufficient. Putin could obviously embark on a Stalingrad or Berlin scenario by lining Kiev with bombs but that would be a political disaster for him."
Apart from the fact that the Russians seem to be changing their tactics in their desire to encircle the capital, what happened in Brovary also illustrates the vulnerability of the Russian army. Although they are better equipped, the soldiers seem to need to use the main roads to advance, which has made it easier for Ukrainian artillery to attack them and set up targeted ambushes. As a result, the first and last tanks in the column advancing on Kiev on Wednesday were targeted. For Reservist Alexander, it is clear that they are not to be feared and that they can be defeated. "Putin's only success is to have united us against him."
Meanwhile, in Kiev, outside Maidan Square where the 2014 Ukrainian revolution took place, protection measures have been stepped up. The army has piled up sandbags and anti-tank friezes. The city's sirens, a harbinger of air raids, resumed Saturday afternoon. Before turning into false alarms.
Karen Lajon - Yesterday at 22:00
On the E95 motorway, about twenty kilometres from Kiev, checkpoints follow one another and the tension is palpable. Brovary is the last strategic lock on this north-eastern axis that Russian forces have been trying to break through with increasing ferocity since the beginning of the week. Smoke columns can be seen in the distance. The last crossing point held by the Territorial Defence Force is less than 7 kilometres from this town on the outskirts of Kiev. The stakes are high. If this route is conquered by Vladimir Putin's soldiers, it would lead them directly into the heart of the Ukrainian capital.
The shell fell in front of his house. Alexander shows the picture on his phone. "I woke up and it was as if my reality changed that day. Since then, the 40-year-old construction worker has joined the territorial defence. The main idea," he says, "is to force the Russians out of the woods because they are hiding among the civilians and that makes things complicated. We're not going to shoot blindly and risk killing our own people." He also insists on showing the two tanks his comrades destroyed on Wednesday. But he is ordered not to go any further.
For Mykhailo Samus, a specialist in military defence issues in Kiev, this Russian loss is not surprising. Everything was miscalculated from the start," he says. The generals told Putin that it would be a campaign game, that everything would be over in forty-eight hours, or even seventy-two hours. And here we are, after seventeen days of war.
A change of tactics
Because the Ukrainians resisted, and they also organised themselves. Twenty-five thousand small groups of the Territorial Defence Force watch over the city of Kiev alone. There is hardly a building in the capital that is not protected," says Mykhailo Samus. The Russians are in a stalemate that is forcing them to change their tactics. For him, it is clear that the intelligence work on the ground has not been up to scratch, that the Ukrainian population's support for Vladimir Putin's project has been greatly overestimated. "The military forces put in place, he continues, attest to this very poor assessment of the situation. They are insufficient. Putin could obviously embark on a Stalingrad or Berlin scenario by lining Kiev with bombs but that would be a political disaster for him."
Apart from the fact that the Russians seem to be changing their tactics in their desire to encircle the capital, what happened in Brovary also illustrates the vulnerability of the Russian army. Although they are better equipped, the soldiers seem to need to use the main roads to advance, which has made it easier for Ukrainian artillery to attack them and set up targeted ambushes. As a result, the first and last tanks in the column advancing on Kiev on Wednesday were targeted. For Reservist Alexander, it is clear that they are not to be feared and that they can be defeated. "Putin's only success is to have united us against him."
Meanwhile, in Kiev, outside Maidan Square where the 2014 Ukrainian revolution took place, protection measures have been stepped up. The army has piled up sandbags and anti-tank friezes. The city's sirens, a harbinger of air raids, resumed Saturday afternoon. Before turning into false alarms.
We can't surrender our engine requirements to the US completely though.
The Russians have been using the same Ukranian engines, and they have begun reverse-engineering parts for those engines since 2014. Plus a Russian replacement engine is also available.
We do not know the current status of engines meant for the 2 Talwar class being built by GSL. If it's been destroyed, then the new Russia engines should become drop in fixes for the Talwar class. If not, we will have to wait for quite some time before Ukraine begins production again. The other engines are pretty much in our hands, along with the 2 Talwars being built in Russia.
If spares supply stops, then it's gonna be a massive disaster for the IN. Let's hope it does not come to that.
If we get lucky, the Ukrainians will give us ToT for MII.
Garbage, every army needs support anyway, so you could make the same claims for the other side.
You are forgetting the politics of the region.
Passed: Apr 2019
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www.opendemocracy.net
Effective: Jan 2022
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www.rferl.org
Good luck telling the Russian speakers in Ukraine their language is now useless.
Why do you think Crimea was glad to get out of Ukraine? Why do you think Putin's asking for the separation of pro-Russian regions?
This war was completely engineered.
That's exactly what I'm saying, the support forces are not being used properly or not being used at all. Like the artillery.
Russia is an artillery army. Their main firepower comes from destroying everything. They don't have the infantry strength to fight in the streets, they simply destroy the streets. The infantry is meant to clean up the streets after.
An American brigade with 4000 men has 18 howitzers. A Russian BTG with 700 men has up to 18 howitzers. That's the difference.
If your number was even close to correct half of them are gone already.
But the US uses GPS-guided munitions and decent intelligence and can actually hit stuff besides random buildings.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has created NATO's watershed moment - Breaking Defense
A former chairman of the joint chiefs and two former supreme allied commanders of NATO, among others, lay out how it has come to the point Russia felt it could invade Ukraine.
You are forgetting the politics of the region.
Passed: Apr 2019
Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
Ukraine’s new language law, passed at the end of the former president’s rule, makes another attempt to divide Ukrainian citizens.
Effective: Jan 2022
Language Law For National Print Media Comes Into Force In Ukraine
A language law came into force in Ukraine on January 16 that requires all national print media to be published in the country’s official language, Ukrainian, in a bid to push back against the use of the Russian language in the public sphere.
Good luck telling the Russian speakers in Ukraine their language is now useless.
Why do you think Crimea was glad to get out of Ukraine? Why do you think Putin's asking for the separation of pro-Russian regions?
This war was completely engineered.
A more logical mind would say the Russian casualty figures are wrong.
The Russians have those as well. But Russian artillery is Battle of Berlin style.
For 4000 men, the Americans have 18 guns and 6 MLRS. For 700 men the Russians have upto 18 guns and 6 MLRS, for 4000 men, that's up to 100 guns and 30 MLRS. I don't think you can imagine what sort of firepower that really is when it falls on a city.
The Russian military has been created for world wars against the First World, not for bullying Third World countries.