Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[randomradio]

They are getting dozens of launchers. You can't compare HiMARS/GMLRS as rocket artillery like Russia and Ukraine has they should be considered more like air support carrying precision SDB's. These are sniper weapons. They don't need to launch a salvo to hit a target. If they find a group of Russian armored vehicles parked close to each other being replenished all it takes is one air bursting 60 feet above them to take them out. Ukraine finds a Russian command post one rocket is all they will need instead of a salvo. If Ukraine locates 12 static targets one 50kms, other 60kms, 70kms, 80kms, 90kms, with 7 other targets 200 meters from these targets Ukraine would need one launcher carrying 12 rockets or two HiMARS.

That's why Ukraine getting these weapons is going to change the battlefield heavily towards Ukraine's favor once deployed. Russian's know this which is why they are crapping their pants.

It really is going to get ugly for Russian forces soon.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

There was an initial burst of excitement when the US said they will supply MLRS. But the expectation was ATACMs and PrSM will be supplied along with the rockets. This would have allowed Ukraine to hit targets inside Russia. But that didn't happen, so now it's just another MLRS.

If this system has to be effective, the delivery should be in the dozens, not just a handful.

The Ukrainians are asking for 60 launchers at the minimum, while NATO only wants to deliver about 8-12 or so. The Russians have hundreds of these launchers and they even fire those special guided rockets that you were bragging about. To put it in perspective, India will have 22 regiments of a system that's equivalent to the M270 called Pinaka by the end of the decade, meant to replace the Grad. That's 396 operational launchers, not counting reserves. And this doesn't include Smerch launchers, which are well above 150.

So you really think 4 HIMARS launchers are gonna do anything?

That's only a subset of food. Plenty of their grain comes from the EU and US too and the majority of their food imports overall is from US and EU. Grain is not everything.

There is a food crisis because any disruption to supply causes that in areas where food security is low but Russia does not have some kind of monopoly. But they would certainly like to engineer a famine to hold people hostage.

The Russian casualties are equally high or higher and Ukraine has no choice but to fight, Russia doesn't need to however much BS they choose the spin.

Did, you are blind and deluded.

They will move between the two. Russia hasn't taken only the Russian dominant regions.

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And it wouldn't matter if they had, they are in Ukraine's country. The insurgency will take place, both in Ukraine and likely in Russia too. If Ukraine were prepared to cede part of their country they'd have already done it. The Russian military has dug a black hole for themselves which will just feed on them endlessly.

Okay, so you're decided there's no food crisis then. Good. Remember this post. The rest of your post is a waste of time.

 

[randomradio]

'Perhaps', 'somehow'. Somewhat ironic that you are now quoting a man you have criticised and ridiculed in the past. Religion is all made-up anyway, so it's literally about preaching fiction.

When someone that important comes out and says "perhaps" and "somehow," he's basically saying it did happen.

 

[randomradio]

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❗️На территории завода "Азот" в Северодонецке находятся до 2,5 тысяч военнослужащих, из них до 20-25% - иностранные наемники — помощник главы МВД ЛНР

t.me

There are up to 2,500 military personnel on the territory of the Azot plant in Severodonetsk, of which up to 20-25% are foreign mercenaries - assistant to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the LPR

It appears these 2500 soldiers have been cut off from Lysychansk and are in the process of being surrounded.

The three destroyed bridges:

Рыбарь

🇺🇦🇷🇺 Разрушен Пролетарский мост, соединявший группировку ВСУ на заводе «Азот» в Северодонецке с Лисичанском. Силы ВСУ в Северодонецке окружены, и у них осталось только два пути: либо бегство вплавь на западный берег Северского Донца без оружия и техники. Или же повторение судьбы мариупольских...

t.me

ANNA NEWS

🇺🇦🇷🇺Вооруженные силы Украины потеряли мост между Северодонецком с Лисичанском В тылу украинских войск, которые временно оккупируют часть территории ЛНР, уничтожен мост, соединяющий Донецк с Лисичанском. Его уничтожение существенно осложнит снабжение украинской армии в этом районе. @anna_news

t.me

https://twitter.com/x/status/1536381646110306306

If the foreign soldiers surrender, there's a pretty good chance they will be executed. But, based on the pics above, at least it looks like they can swim/wade across. The shortest point I found is just 25-30m wide. But there's also a chance the factory itself has been encircled.

@Picdelamirand-oil @vstol Jockey @A Person

 

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Artillerymen of the 79th DShV Brigade destroyed the BAT-2 paver of the occupiers

Рыбарь

❗️На территории завода "Азот" в Северодонецке находятся до 2,5 тысяч военнослужащих, из них до 20-25% - иностранные наемники — помощник главы МВД ЛНР

t.me

There are up to 2,500 military personnel on the territory of the Azot plant in Severodonetsk, of which up to 20-25% are foreign mercenaries - assistant to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the LPR

It appears these 2500 soldiers have been cut off from Lysychansk and are in the process of being surrounded.

The three destroyed bridges:

Рыбарь

🇺🇦🇷🇺 Разрушен Пролетарский мост, соединявший группировку ВСУ на заводе «Азот» в Северодонецке с Лисичанском. Силы ВСУ в Северодонецке окружены, и у них осталось только два пути: либо бегство вплавь на западный берег Северского Донца без оружия и техники. Или же повторение судьбы мариупольских...

t.me

ANNA NEWS

🇺🇦🇷🇺Вооруженные силы Украины потеряли мост между Северодонецком с Лисичанском В тылу украинских войск, которые временно оккупируют часть территории ЛНР, уничтожен мост, соединяющий Донецк с Лисичанском. Его уничтожение существенно осложнит снабжение украинской армии в этом районе. @anna_news

t.me

https://twitter.com/x/status/1536381646110306306

If the foreign soldiers surrender, there's a pretty good chance they will be executed. But, based on the pics above, at least it looks like they can swim/wade across. The shortest point I found is just 25-30m wide. But there's also a chance the factory itself has been encircled.

@Picdelamirand-oil @vstol Jockey @A Person

There is still an escape route via amphibious vehicles and temporary bridging. There is a 40km wide gap to their rear.

 

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When someone that important comes out and says "perhaps" and "somehow," he's basically saying it did happen.

When a person who has no real knowledge of what happened develops an opinion on a subject matter they are not an expert in, it must be right because they believe in fiction?

Okay, so you're decided there's no food crisis then. Good. Remember this post. The rest of your post is a waste of time.

No, that's no what I said, re-read. It's still a disruption to the supply chain, which affect prices, even if they don't have the monopoly you professed.

80 separate airborne assault brigade DShV ZSU broke the jackpot! Two Hurricane multiple rocket launchers and one combat transport and charging vehicle, armored personnel carrier, Tiger armored vehicle, two trucks, occupiers' ammunition depot destroyed

 

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The foreign unit "Dark Angels" incinerated a Russian tank with the help of Javelin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1536959910231085058

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@Innominate, @zinswinsin, @Picdelamirand-oil, @Bon Plan, @Amarante.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537072288402657284

 

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Putin still wants a 'significant portion' of Ukraine or even the whole country, but Russia won't be able to do it: Pentagon official

The US Under Secretary of Defense for Policy said "Ukrainians are holding up" as Russian forces have failed to find a breakthrough in their invasion.

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Russian accused of Chechen assassination plot stands trial in Germany

MUNICH (Reuters) -A Russian citizen went on trial in Munich on Wednesday on charges of agreeing to carry out the contract killing of a Chechen dissident on behalf of people linked to Ramzan Kadyrov, s...

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[Innominate]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

Says the guy that thinks the J-20 is a better air to ground fighter.

There was an initial burst of excitement when the US said they will supply MLRS. But the expectation was ATACMs and PrSM will be supplied along with the rockets. This would have allowed Ukraine to hit targets inside Russia. But that didn't happen, so now it's just another MLRS.

ATACMs/PrSM are ballistic missiles that they don't need right now. GMLRS have a range of 80-100kms as more info from retired US army personnel about this rocket comes out. That range easily puts Begorod Russia in range which includes its airbase and its staging areas including supplies. Ukraine is not allowed to hit Russian territory unless Russian artillery is being fired from Russia to Ukraine. So no it's not just another MLRS but then again it's not surprising that you think of it that way since thinking isn't really your strong suit.

If this system has to be effective, the delivery should be in the dozens, not just a handful.

Over a dozen is what they are getting. One 12 rocket GMLRS can hit 12 targets miles from each other with precision. I say that is very effective.

The Ukrainians are asking for 60 launchers at the minimum, while NATO only wants to deliver about 8-12 or so. The Russians have hundreds of these launchers and they even fire those special guided rockets that you were bragging about.

Ukraine is getting way more than 8-12. Those hundreds of Russian launchers with their "special guided rockets" have done what exactly? In almost 4 months of war Russia still only controls half of Donbas so please don't compare Russian systems with US.

To put it in perspective, India will have 22 regiments of a system that's equivalent to the M270 called Pinaka by the end of the decade, meant to replace the Grad. That's 396 operational launchers, not counting reserves. And this doesn't include Smerch launchers, which are well above 150.

So you really think 4 HIMARS launchers are gonna do anything?

Those 4 are for training.

 

[randomradio]

There is still an escape route via amphibious vehicles and temporary bridging. There is a 40km wide gap to their rear.

They can escape across the river after leaving their equipment behind.

It's not 40Km, it's just 3Km.


If the Russians haven't encircled the area yet, then the foreign fighters have to escape as quickly as possible, or the only option is death.

Some of the best infantry are in the plant, both foreign and Ukrainian SF. If the SF escape, then they are deserting, which means jail time, so it's likely that they entered the plant for a final fight before the entire war goes for a toss. Otoh, the foreign fighters may not be willing to die fighting, but surrendering to the Russians means dying in prison, so they may not have a choice in the matter.

I feel like the UAF have abandoned some of their forces along with the foreign fighters, like they have done in a lot of other places. The Azov plant in Mariupol was one such place, which bought Ukraine a lot of time. So the UAF have probably planned to repeat this at the Azot plant now. They will sell these fighters a story that a massive load of Western weapons will help raise a whole new army over the next two months for a counteroffensive, so they need to hold on and buy time until then.

When a person who has no real knowledge of what happened develops an opinion on a subject matter they are not an expert in, it must be right because they believe in fiction?

No, that's no what I said, re-read. It's still a disruption to the supply chain, which affect prices, even if they don't have the monopoly you professed.

He's the Pope, dude. Not your local riff-raff.

 

[randomradio]

Says the guy that thinks the J-20 is a better air to ground fighter.

Not me, General Hostage. Physics works the same for all countries.

ATACMs/PrSM are ballistic missiles that they don't need right now. GMLRS have a range of 80-100kms as more info from retired US army personnel about this rocket comes out. That range easily puts Begorod Russia in range which includes its airbase and its staging areas including supplies. Ukraine is not allowed to hit Russian territory unless Russian artillery is being fired from Russia to Ukraine. So no it's not just another MLRS but then again it's not surprising that you think of it that way since thinking isn't really your strong suit.


Over a dozen is what they are getting. One 12 rocket GMLRS can hit 12 targets miles from each other with precision. I say that is very effective.


Ukraine is getting way more than 8-12. Those hundreds of Russian launchers with their "special guided rockets" have done what exactly? In almost 4 months of war Russia still only controls half of Donbas so please don't compare Russian systems with US.

This war has upended a lot of beliefs military leaders previously held. A lot of myths that even generals believed have been busted. This has nothing to do with Russian equipment or US equipment, it simply has to do with equipment in general, meaning, you have it or you don't. And the West is not providing what's needed to win the war.

Those 4 are for training.

What will they train with just 4? And the training is happening overseas anyway.

Let's see what the final numbers are, but it's ultimately needed in the hundreds. The Ukrainians are fighting Russia, not Iraq.

 

[Innominate]

Not me, General Hostage. Physics works the same for all countries.



This war has upended a lot of beliefs military leaders previously held. A lot of myths that even generals believed have been busted. This has nothing to do with Russian equipment or US equipment, it simply has to do with equipment in general, meaning, you have it or you don't. And the West is not providing what's needed to win the war.



What will they train with just 4? And the training is happening overseas anyway.

Let's see what the final numbers are, but it's ultimately needed in the hundreds. The Ukrainians are fighting Russia, not Iraq.

Training is happening at a undisclosed location meaning Poland or Germany.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-servicemen-begin-their-himars-training/

 

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They can escape across the river after leaving their equipment behind.

It's not 40Km, it's just 3Km.
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If the Russians haven't encircled the area yet, then the foreign fighters have to escape as quickly as possible, or the only option is death.

Some of the best infantry are in the plant, both foreign and Ukrainian SF. If the SF escape, then they are deserting, which means jail time, so it's likely that they entered the plant for a final fight before the entire war goes for a toss. Otoh, the foreign fighters may not be willing to die fighting, but surrendering to the Russians means dying in prison, so they may not have a choice in the matter.

I feel like the UAF have abandoned some of their forces along with the foreign fighters, like they have done in a lot of other places. The Azov plant in Mariupol was one such place, which bought Ukraine a lot of time. So the UAF have probably planned to repeat this at the Azot plant now. They will sell these fighters a story that a massive load of Western weapons will help raise a whole new army over the next two months for a counteroffensive, so they need to hold on and buy time until then.


He's the Pope, dude. Not your local riff-raff.

I said the gap is 40km (between Russian-held territories either side), not the distance to the river.

If they are smart they can booby-trap any equipment left with as little as a coffee mug, a mattress spring, a hole and a grenade with a fly-off lever.

I would probably be thinking about withdrawing around now too but then I am not appraised of the full facts.

I think after the Azovstal plant incident, nobody is likely to surrender to the Russians. After only reading a few Russian propaganda posts on twitter I feel like fighting them to the death, so one can only imagine what Russian captivity is like.

He's a celebrity with an opinion. If he was a scientologist actor would you be quoting him?

The bridge?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537103551024926720

 

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Zhytomyr paratroopers destroyed MT-LB of the Russian occupiers

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1537136617781137409

 

[randomradio]

I said the gap is 40km (between Russian-held territories either side), not the distance to the river.

If they are smart they can booby-trap any equipment left with as little as a coffee mug, a mattress spring, a hole and a grenade with a fly-off lever.

I would probably be thinking about withdrawing around now too but then I am not appraised of the full facts.

I think after the Azovstal plant incident, nobody is likely to surrender to the Russians. After only reading a few Russian propaganda posts on twitter I feel like fighting them to the death, so one can only imagine what Russian captivity is like.

He's a celebrity with an opinion. If he was a scientologist actor would you be quoting him?

Great going, comparing war to a Twitter spat.

The Pope has 2 billion followers, whereas Tom Cruise has more followers than Scientology.

 

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Great going, comparing war to a Twitter spat.

The Pope has 2 billion followers, whereas Tom Cruise has more followers than Scientology.

Just pointing out that they're extremely annoying to listen to, even without the torture and parading BS - which is also a war crime.

1.2 billion, but Islam has over 2 billion, would you listen to them?

I doubt the Ukrainians have the resources to take prisoners.

 

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