Ukraine - Russia Conflict

randomradio said:
Dude, they are not neutral. How dumb can you get?
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I know they are not neutral, that's why I said, "they are as neutral as India."
randomradio said:
A P5 by definition needs to have a position. If a P5 is neutral, then they will just about damn near veto every single resolution there is.
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India voted neutral as well. P5 or otherwise has no bearing.
randomradio said:
Everybody and their grandma know that China is supporting Russia, and even the Chinese have said it.
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Likewise with India. Your respective news outlets broadcast the same crap. You are like Dhalsim with the truth.
randomradio said:
At the very least:
www.uscc.gov

China’s Position on Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine

Summarizing China’s position since February 21, 2022
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China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Chinese media lend support to Russian President Vladimir Putin following the Wagner Group’s attempted coup. Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Mao Ning states the Wagner incident is “Russia’s internal affair,” noting China “supports Russia in maintaining national stability.”
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India was the same.
randomradio said:
Sure, sure. One state waging war on the other is okay as long as the aggressor is on your side.
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It's nothing to do with us but it was only Russian interference and occupation that gave Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia in the first place.
randomradio said:
Lol.
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Fact, you can't shoot protestors in a democracy, nor can you poison and kill opposition leaders.
randomradio said:
Lol.

Sure, let's subvert democracy.
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Asking for a general election is the opposite of subverting democracy. You're like Dhalsim with the truth.
randomradio said:
That is a majority. 12.5m voted for him versus 11.5m for Tymoshenko.
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Anything less than 50% is not a majority and a 3% margin is marginal not clear and likely due to his promise to prioritise integration into the EU, which he deliberately changed. If he had campaigned on joining the EEU instead of the EU he'd have lost in 2010. That's a fact and you know it is. It's also why he attacked protestors instead of simply holding a general election or referendum, because he knew he would lose. Don't lie to yourself, you know this to be true.
randomradio said:
Lol.
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It's how democracy works. Democracy without the right to protest is not democracy. Democracy where you do the exact opposite of what you campaigned on without repercussion is also not democracy. What world do you live it?
randomradio said:
These polls are anonymous.
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No such thing. No leader getting a thousand citizens killed every day in a foreign war has a genuine 80% popularity. It's impossible.
randomradio said:
Lol. You are free to get your information from a partisan documentary.
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It's not partisan. They did one on 9/11 too, it was very frank.
randomradio said:
You should speak to CNN for the truth about Trump.
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I know the truth about Trump just from fact checking everything he's claimed over several years. It's all incorrect. Everything from COVID-19 being fake to Europe giving less aid to Ukraine than the US.
Innominate said:
I don't know why folks are surprised the glider itself is hypersonic above the atmosphere once it enters the atmosphere it hits drag and likely hits its target barely above mach 1. PAC 3 missile range aint that great and hits targets well withing atmosphere.
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It's not a glider, it's a Mach 10 cruise missile.

Ukranian Navy claims apart of Yamal and Azov landing ships Intelligence ship Ivan Khurs and large landing ship Kostyantin Olshansky were damaged as result of attack on 24th March​


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It's funny how the Russians arrested all the Crocus suspects so fast despite the initial police response taking one hour.
 
Footage from the first captured German-made Marder infantry fighting vehicle in Ukraine. The Marder infantry fighting vehicle was adopted by Germany in 1971 and is armed with a 20 mm gun; technical information about it is on the channel. Previously, the Ukrainian army received about 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles from Germany. Visually, the combat vehicle is almost operational and has full ammunition. The combat vehicle was damaged in the Avdiivka direction and got stuck in the mud; later Ukrainian units tried to destroy it. The evacuation of the Ukrainian Marder infantry fighting vehicle was reportedly carefully planned by the Russian army. The military carried out reconnaissance, engineers paved a new road, and sappers cleared minefields. Only after access to the vehicle was secured was it evacuated from the battlefield at night with the help of a tank. The vehicle will not be used in combat; presumably, the Marder BMP will be sent for study to Russia or shelling at a training ground.

 
Russian air defense forces are experiencing serious difficulties in the fight against Ukrainian drones that attack strategic objects deep in the territory of the Russian Federation. And, as ATESH movement partisans point out, the Russian command harshly punishes servicemen from air defense units for their inability to shoot down Ukrainian drones.

Ivan Khurs Intelligence Ship CONFIRMED Damaged by Satellite Imagery


 
A Person said:
Irrelevant, but since you ask!

Back in the early 19th century, when the Great Powers were just the British, French, and German empires, followed by Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Austria-Hungary, Russia, and the Ottomans in the second rung and the USA were like, far far far below, Americans decided that if the Great Powers of the time meddled in American affairs, it would be a threat to them, so they decided to discourage such meddling as much as they could.

Didn't stop various European countries, including UK, France, Netherlands from actually keeping territories in the Americas. It did stop the Spanish but only after the Americans actually waged war on them.

Anyway it's moot now.
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Monroe Doctrine is still active, it's why South America has no foreign bases or any sort of foreign military presence.

I wonder if the US will be fine if India one day sets up a naval base in some country down south, even if China and Russia are problematic.

A Person said:
Nope. Sanctions against Russia was anything but easy. They happened because the military invasion of Ukraine was the culmination of a long pattern.

1991: Russia wages multiple wars in Georgia, creates Abkhazia and South Ossetia puppet states.
1992: Russia wages war in Moldova, creates the Transdnistria puppet state. Russia also involved in Tajikistan civil war.
1994: Russia wages war in Ichkeria (Chechnya), loses in 1996. Chechnya is granted independence.
1999: Russia wages war in Chechnya again, using a false flag operation as a pretext. After ten years of combat and over 50 000 deaths, they regained control of it.
2008: Russia wages war in Georgia again, establish permanent military occupation.
2014: Russia wages war in Ukraine, annex Crimea, creates the DPR and LPR puppet states, shoots down a civilian airliner.
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All mostly partition wars. India's had them too. Even we went around annexing countries.

What we speak of in hindsight is Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh shouldn't have existed as countries, but subsumed into the Indian union, like a bunch of others were, like Hyderabad. And we should have fought the first Indo-Pak war to the finish completely in our favor. We just had extremely weak leaders back then.

So the Russians made all the right decisions for themselves back then.

A Person said:
Europe, and especially Germany and the eastern countries of the EU, were extremely dependent on Russian oil and gas. In fact some of these eastern countries didn't even have the infrastructure to get gas from elsewhere than Russia. The sanctions passed against Russia caused a huge energy price hike in Europe, which took a few months to climb down. Getting the energy price back under control required creating new commercial accords with other energy providers, including Azerbaijan.

Without Russia's history of aggression and escalation, and without all the failed attempts at diplomacy first, passing significant sanctions against Russia would have been politically impossible. Even the sanctions that were passed had to get some loopholes and exceptions due to the need to have some political compromise with certain politically compromised individuals (yes, Victor Orban, I'm looking at you).

In that context, passing sanctions against Azerbaijan for taking control of what was, de jure and thanks to Stalin's decision, legally their own territory, impossible. The EU needed Azerbaijan so as to not need Russia too much.


Azerbaijan could have threatened to cancel the oil and gas deals in case of sanctions.

And a military embargo would have been largely toothless anyway. There's technically an OSCE embargo against Azerbaijan since 1992. Most of the Azeri arsenal is from the Soviet Union. From this they have kept mostly sourcing their stuff from Russia as well as other post-Soviet states, like Belarus and Ukraine. The non-Soviet-derived stuff is mostly sourced from Israel and Turkey, two countries that just do whatever they want and frequently oppose Western interests. (They didn't pass sanctions against Russia either.)
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Azerbaijan's exports to Europe are peanuts. And even the Azeris are dependent on the exports. All the West had to do was sanction everything except energy trade and that still would have continued.

You think Russia won't restart trade with Europe if sanctions are lifted? Even after Russia was sanctioned energy trade continued flowing due to their dependence. Had they not been dependent, they would have shut the taps off from day 1. There wouldn't have been any talk of a transition period.
 
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A Person said:
You know what else is a majority? The Ukrainian independence referendum, absolute majority in every single oblast including Crimea.
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That's called anti-incumbency. It's normal for people to reject the current ruling dispensation when the economic conditions are bad.

What do you think happened to the left and Hollande in France? Same reason. Similarly, both Trudeau and Biden are going to lose their next elections.

The only difference is the breakup of the SU was good for Europe and the world. So we can all support that. But the politics involved is all the same.

A Person said:
You know what else subverts democracy? Corruption and treason.
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Everybody is corrupt in Ukraine. And pretty much everybody is seditious and treasonous. It's a sh!thole of a country. It's also why it wasn't let into the EU from day 1. Ukraine is very likely the most corrupt in Europe.

Hell, even in such biased indexes, India is still above Ukraine.
 
Innominate said:
I don't know why folks are surprised the glider itself is hypersonic above the atmosphere once it enters the atmosphere it hits drag and likely hits its target barely above mach 1. PAC 3 missile range aint that great and hits targets well withing atmosphere.
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Zircon is a CM, it flies on its own power at hypersonic speeds at an altitude of 28 km. But it's much slower at lower altitudes, at least it's not hypersonic then.
 
randomradio said:
Monroe Doctrine is still active, it's why South America has no foreign bases or any sort of foreign military presence.
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South America is mostly out of the way of global trade routes, except for the Panama Canal. Not comparable to places like Bab-el-Mandeb or the Malacca Straits. The continent is also largely peaceful; the biggest factor of instability are drugs and revolutionary or counter-revolutionary guerillas rather than inter-state conflicts. So there haven't been much reasons for foreign powers to seek to deploy a permanent military presence.

But legally, nothing stops it. Monroe doctrine has no binding legal value to anyone.

As you can see on this maritime traffic map, there's very little traffic along South America unless it is the origin or destination of said traffic.
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randomradio said:
That's called anti-incumbency. It's normal for people to reject the current ruling dispensation when the economic conditions are bad.
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When Russia annexed Crimea there were massive demonstrations against that move in Donetsk city. Huge crowds waving blue-and-yellow flags. Then the FSB and Russian military removed the patches from their uniforms, claimed to be Donetsk people, and created a fake independence movement.

Ukrainians wanted to be Ukrainians and independent. Including in the Donbass. Your anti-incumbency argument isn't enough to explain an absolute majority not just of voters, but of the actual entire voting base, desiring independence.
randomradio said:
Everybody is corrupt in Ukraine. And pretty much everybody is seditious and treasonous. It's a sh!thole of a country. It's also why it wasn't let into the EU from day 1. Ukraine is very likely the most corrupt in Europe.
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Russia is a corrupt shithole of a country, the most corrupt in Europe.

Ukraine is corrupt due to Russian influence, and their fight against corruption was interpreted by the Kremlin as a fight against Russia.

Are things perfect yet? No. But they were getting better, and Russia invaded to make sure they would go back to getting worse.

It's also no surprise that in the EU, the most pro-Russian countries and politicians are also the most corrupt.


Finally, your daily reminders that it's the Russians who are the Nazis:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1772652183994962088
Fun fact, far-right political parties in the EU got their funding from Russia, because Russia is very invested in spreading Neo-Nazi ideology since Neo-Nazi ideology is indistinguishable from Russian ideology.
randomradio said:
Drones are killing even those outside the battle area, where battle taxis roam.
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Russia is attacking with these vehicles. They're not used only behind the lines, they are used in combat roles.

Russia also experimented attacking with bikes and quads recently.
 
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