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@Milspec you wanna know how reservations work? In gujarat after reservations were given in government jobs modi refused to fill up low level jobs (peons and so on), people like you talk about becoming doctor and lawyers without merit I don’t what world you are living in. By preventing Dalits from getting low level government jobs modi ably aided the upper castes in oppressing them and keeping them ‘reserved’ for low level unclean jobs like tannery and meat workers. A government job means some of those people can become immune to social boycott by other villagers who stop other cleaner employment to Dalit through these tactics. And as for becoming doctors and engineers good luck for them because most of them won’t make it. An example I pointed out before two kids who cleared jee were stoned by the villagers because they wouldn’t give up their engineering seats. Start living in the real world.
 
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"Can you able ?" I thought it was - are you able ? Minor quibbles aside , You seem to have missed the points I was making . People who profess a particular brand of ideology will be judged both by what they said and what they did . Where the gulf in both is a chasm , they will be called out . This applies to everyone across the religious caste , linguistic , ethnic , gender divide.

The self respect movement by Periyar was as much about women's rights as it was about emancipation of the entire non Brahmanical fold within the larger Hindu religion in what was then Tamil speaking areas. That's also what his followers including Annadurai , Karunanidhi , MGR , downwards have proclaimed . Living up to his ideals is their professed mantra. Now you reconcile them with Karunanidhi's bigamy . While you're at it , perhaps you could also elaborate on how practically every case of caste violence against the Dalits in TN feature people identified with the so called OBC's and not the Brahmins .

Or is it your contention that Periyar fought anti Brahminism exclusively to emancipate a particular section which in this case happens to be the people largely characterised as OBC's today leaving out the Dalits ?Perhaps you could also comment on why every caste grouping today in TN are represented by their own exclusive political parties who tend to amplify the demands of their own caste .

It was never my contention that Savarkar was an exlempary leader deserving emulation . I brought up Savarkar in a particular context . The context being how a particular characteristic of a public personality is identified and highlighted to denigrate him . If Savarkar's groveling apology is held against him , why shouldn't Gandhi's experiments with celibacy be discussed with the same frankness as we dissect Savarkar's apology ?

Just as it's your contention that Savarkar was a disaster , there are people out here who'd hold similar views about most public figures from that era , before and since including the two you've named. The impact that such public figures had over the imagination of the people they inspired doesn't end with their deaths nor is it restricted to people of their generation or a couple of succeeding generations. Savarkar postulated his Hindutva ideology in the 20's - 30's. They have gained currency from the late 80's onwards whereas Gandhi's ideology has been on the wane ever since his departure. Do I even need to add on the relevance of Periyar in contemporary Tamil politics ?

Just as an aside - Periyar was also notorious for his views on the Tamil Language- the corner stone of Tamil ethno nationalism which along with other ideals of the self respect movement defines Dravidian politics till this day in TN . He's inspired great affection and regard among Tamil speakers inspite of it.

Similarly Savarkar in his monumental work on the events 1857 which he wrote about in such glowing terms characterising it as the first war of independence saw the Muslims as brethren of the Hindus in their fight for freedom as he described it holding out the example of Hindu Muslim unity in those days in golden prose . The same Savarkar also coined the term Hindutva and detailed his philosophy of Muslims and Hindus constituting two separate nations much later.
No one said anything about Periyar or Karunanidhi being anti-Brahmin. You brought it up and now you are discussing it in length!. Self-Respect Movement had to do with eradication of casteism, women’s rights and rational thinking. Of course people who had everything will be pissed. Same goes for Brahmin not attacking Dalit in TN, No one said they did. They have negligible influence to do anything. Other than your insecurity i don't see an argument here. Only thing i said was how Dravida movement eliminated the possibility of Hindutva politics in south.

Again you are mixing personal life and ideology because you failed to counter ideologies as it is. Savarkar's apology is against his public ideology which is Hindutva for the united india. He was an irrelevant figure in the biggest social/national movement of the time. Because he failed to support a greater good with his narrow mindset. Someone's number of wife or sexual preference is no one else's business.

There is nothing wrong with having extreme views on Tamil language same as savarkar's view of hindustan. They are popular because of their radical views. Same goes of Jihadi mullas. What matter is how you practice them.
 
Aaj Tak is definitely not pro BJP media,,, they have Raju Sardu.. you know who

Am not going to talk abt the incident, as many experts have done.
Shiv Sena for many years were the "big brother" of BJP in Mahrashtra politics. BJP was not that strong in Maharashtra but since the demise of Elder Thackeray, people find his son more idiotic. So when Shiv Sena in thei arrogance wanted to fight election independently both in Mahrashtra and Mumbai corporation realised how strong it really was. In Maharashtra, the BJP was clear majority and shiv sena second, and since BJP had more seats they claimed the CM chair, and in Mumbai they were having two seats more than BJP. BJP knows that it will be more stronger in both areas. But Shiv Sena is in their own deluded world that perhaps people voted BJP by mistake thinking there was an alliance etc. Shiv Sena like cogress has no clue about Ground reality in Maharashtra. Raj Thackeray realised the ground reality to his disaster.
The Thackerays want to take advantage of this incident and try to blame BJP, unfortunately for them they are also in powder and their vote bank is Marathas and Maharashtrians also RPI is part of the alliance. Shiv Sena wants to blame BJP saying that they cannot rule effectively and try to get majority for themselves unfortunately the news media reports more and rather a lot, Shiv Senas own "SAMNA" is limited only to Sena Cadres and many of them are just short of called Aditya Thackeray a joker.

Compare the difference in coverage of the event, between pro-BJP media (ZEE Tv , Aaj Tak, India TV, ... etc), all were trying to project this as Dalit-Maratha. or Caste clash

There were about 3 lakh people attending the event in a village Bhima Koregaon, 50% were women and Children.
Usually when they arrive for the event, it is huge business opportunity for the sleepy village, all shops were closed on purpose, even Medical shops. So that people suffer due to thirst and hunger. Then there was stone pelting by people with Saffron flags even on women and children. Women and children scattered and ran into fields to escape stone pelting. Police were mute spectators. Can't believe all this can happen in 2018.

All this will widen the rift between communities. What's worse is that, most of the mainstream pro-BJP media, was projecting all this as caste clash. Maharashtra bandh was an outburst to this,

Shiv Sena has smelled blood,
Shiv Sena denounces Fadnavis govt over Bhima-Koregaon violence
 
Do let me know when the General quota for medicine requires at least 98% marks in PCB and guys at 97.95% are not able to get admission, but then due to quota guys securing 55% marks gets admission purely on base of his cast how is that?
Why are you insisting on quota for jobs based on caste and religion? How exactly does being of a particular caste qualify him to benefit for medical studies even if he gets pathetic marks? Also remember such students tend to fail many times but are not kicked out of the colleges (and I know this for a fact, do check TNMC medical college in Mumbai) Further, would you be ready to have say your heart operation or say operation related to your dysfuntional erection from a guy who happened to just pass his exams ungracefully?

I shall tell you hat the problem is, you are giving all the BS about Social justice when you are not ready to be part of it., In case you or your immediate family has health problem. I would surely bet, you will try to seek out doctors from top medical hospitals and get the operation done. Unfortunately the pathetic doctors who just pass their exams get enforced on the general public due to reservation. Thus you are no way going to treat yourself or your family through such Doctors but would prefer to get treated by a certificed gold medalist, hopefully US returned one..
So, if you are really so concerned, I would dare you to have medical treatment along with the masses in General hospital and be operated by hopefully a person from lower section of society.. Let us see...

I believe in job or education be given as per ability. After almost 5 decades of reservation there are still downtroden? What the hell was your Sonia madam doing? How many of the unfortunate people did Rahul Baba send to Italian hospitals to practice and gain experience? BTW did Sonia madam ever get treated in General hospital say besides AIIMS.? So its easy to preach a lot of BS which you do, but how much of it do you practice? Give it a thought


@Milspec you wanna know how reservations work? In gujarat after reservations were given in government jobs modi refused to fill up low level jobs (peons and so on), people like you talk about becoming doctor and lawyers without merit I don’t what world you are living in. By preventing Dalits from getting low level government jobs modi ably aided the upper castes in oppressing them and keeping them ‘reserved’ for low level unclean jobs like tannery and meat workers. A government job means some of those people can become immune to social boycott by other villagers who stop other cleaner employment to Dalit through these tactics. And as for becoming doctors and engineers good luck for them because most of them won’t make it. An example I pointed out before two kids who cleared jee were stoned by the villagers because they wouldn’t give up their engineering seats. Start living in the real world.
 
The focus of education should be identifying the qualities in the child and developing those and supporting those and to help child be important part of society, Or to train the child to be better than what they can be.. And caste and religion SHOULD NOT BE THE POINT TO DECIDE IT.
 
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If you believe that Pakistan ended up on the 'right side' then how do you explain the breaking of Pakistan and inner turmoil with in Pakistan? Clearly something is not right with religious identity for unifying and harmonizing nations with diverse population and geographical spread such as what we see in our subcontinent.

As far as European nations like Ireland go --which have concept of 'catholic nationhood' there is much more to the story then just same religion. That something is uniformity across the board in terms of language, racial identity, concept of nationhood beyond anything else. You cann't take their characteristics and apply or immitate that in India or Pakistan for that matter. You will have to approach nation building based on the reality of the nation : which is that we are way too diverse and our understanding of religion is also way too varied. Unless you apply a governance which is fit for nation, you will not end up with harmonized or united nation.

Pakistan and Bangladesh is living proof. They were too separated lingustically, culturally and geographically to have survived ups and down. Having common religion didn't help.

Its like arguing that red things smell good because there are good smelling red roses. Yes, some red things smell good but that does not mean i you will paint anything red it will smell good or rose-like.
Pakistan's main problem was it allowed itself to be used by USA. No sooner did Pakistan got Independence , they went after USA offering it military bases their chief demand was to demolish India and bring back their mythical 1000 year Islamic rule.which was never going to happen. When India asked for assistance in building Institution and Universities like MIT from USA, Pakistan neglected it and went on a weapon purchasing spree,because Pakistan was of having this illusion of 1 Momeen = 15 Kafir Hindus and it was only a matter of time before India gets invaded again Ghazwa-e-Hind. The Americans were too happy to oblige demands of Pakistan.When Americans really wanted India on their side, being a Democracy akin to theirs.


Second mistake Letting NATO use Pakistan as a proxy against USSR, Pakistan society was ok with modernity,General Zia-uL-Haq destroyed all its Scientific temper, colleges, promoted Madarssas which glorified Jihad and started churning out Mujahideens instead of college students. Infact he went a step further and disowned the only Noble Prize winner in Physics, Dr.Abdus Salam, When it was Ahmadi Muslims who actively supported two nation .Now why would you remove a group who wants to be called Muslims. That is called shooting your foot. I wouldn't mind if ISCKON or any other sect wants to be called Hindus and propagate it. That is the core difference between Abrahamic Religions and Sanatana Dharma, we accept you into our fold if you accept us, we don't claim exclusivity and rights to heaven. The concept of Devil, GOD, Heaven and Hell,believer, Infidel only exists in Abrahamic Religions

It is not only my view but several Founding fathers views that Abrahamic Religions are incompatible with Bharat.
Views of Dr. Ambedkar that so called ‘saviours of Dalits’ won’t let the public know

Pages 226-227: “Take the position of women. It is insisted by Muslims that the legal rights given to Muslim women, ensure them a greater measure of independence than allowed to other Eastern women… the Muslim woman is the most helpless person in the world … her fate is ‘once married, always married’. She cannot escape the marriage tie, however irksome it may be. While she cannot repudiate the marriage, the husband can always do it without having to show any cause. Utter the word ‘Talaq’ and observe continence for three weeks and the woman is cast away”

Pgs 230-232: “The Mohamedans observe not only caste but also untouchability. There can thus be no manner of doubt that the Muslim Society in India is afflicted by the same social evils as afflict the Hindu Society. Indeed, the Muslims have all the social evils of the Hindus and something more. That something more is the compulsory system of purdah for Muslim women”

In page 233 he says “The existence of these evils among the Muslims is distressing enough. But far more distressing is the fact that there is no organised movement of social reforms among the Musalmans of India on a scale sufficient to bring about their eradication … The Hindus have their social evils … and a few of them are actively agitating for their removal. The Muslims on the other hand, do not realise that they are evils and consequently do not agitate for their removal. Indeed, they oppose any change in the existing practices.”

His refusal to convert to Christianity and Islam, despite being offered inducements of a large scale by both missionaries and Nizam of Hyderabad, proves that he was against Abrahamic religions. He believed that one would cease to be an Indian if he converted to either of these religions and was in favour of converting to one of the various Indic religions. He asked his followers to do the same stating “I advise my Dalit brothers to convert to Buddhism and avoid conversion to non-Indic religions”. He viewed Abrahamic religions as a threat to national integration and that should put to rest all doubts about his views on either of these religions.

Jayasree Saranathan: ‘Indian Dharma is Sanatana Dharma’ – Sri Aurobindo



‘Indian Dharma is Sanatana Dharma’ – Sri Aurobindo




During the height of freedom struggle,

Sri Aurobindo was arrested and put into jail where he had soul-searching experience.

The result was that he came out with clearer goals of achieving Nationalism

through Sanatana dharma!

Later he shared his thoughts in a meeting at Uttarpara in Bengal, on 30 May 1909.





This speech is very much suitable for today's India

which is turning anarchist with internal bickering,

thanks to the divide and rule policy of present crop of politicians.

Sri Aurobindo's solution to Unity and development of our country

is to adopt Sanatana dharma as the Dharma of India!


https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Swami...nemy-more-in-Complete-Works-volume-V-page-282
Why did Swami Vivekananda say, "And then every man going out of the Hindu pale is not only a man less, but an enemy more" in Complete Works (volume V, page 282)?

I have many more freedom fighters who supported this idea of a Sanatana Dharmic nation.But alas, Gandhi,Nehru (who called himself being born as Hindu was a mistake)hijacked it and imposed their demands on rest of Hindus.

I didn't mention Ireland. All Eastern European nations, Baltics, Russia has state religion and they are doing just fine. Russia is also diverse, so your argument Secularism is needed for diverse nation like India is a flop. China also had many diverse groups but they are all called a Monolithic group called Hans, it was done by CCP, no such thing was attempted by Secular politicians as it suited their agenda to keep peddling 'Unity in Diversity' so that they are perpetually in power.

In real life a Unit which is uniform, always triumphs, a diverse hodgepodge mixture will break up very soon.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link
A Uniform chain is always stronger than a curry mixture chain link.
 
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Casteist Brahmin Loling on every other sentence because someone called it out.


And you think in your grandfathers time it was normal to have education to get a govt job for a Dalit ? How ignorant are you ?
I don't care if some casteist gets a LOL moment, For me Dalits Commie Ambedkarites calling it Hindu fascism and siding with ShariaBolsheviks secessionists Kashmiris, NGO's Maoists, people like Owaisis is ROFL moment.
This is like the Blacks in America who call each other 'Nig-ger' every second. but get mighty offended when a non black calls them nig-ger, it is called victimhood complex and these people perpetually live their lives as if the rest of the country owes them something instead of trying to work their way out of the condition.Nobody, owes anybody anything. So you selling Dalit Empowerment snake oil and getting offended at word Shudra is called lack of self respect. Caste was a division of labor.

If you see even the human body, there is always different cells,which do different jobs and functions in human body, If even one of them fails or stops working or doing its job it leads to organ failure or Cancer.

Let me tell you about my Maternal grandfather his father and mother died when he was young, he had to continuously move around and live in his relatives houses, go hungry most of the time. But that didn't stop him from joining a Govt. school study and top Madras Presidency College, he was a Gold medalist, scored 102 marks in Maths out of 100 because the examiner was impressed my Grandfather pointed out the mistake in the question put up by the Examiner on paper and suggested to him how to rectify that mistake. This was in British rule, he had to drop out of Medicine stream as he was unable to afford the Suits that was needed at that time to wear if you attended a Medical college, infact, his relatives sold his Gold medal and cheated him after, promising him to support his Medicine study.But that didn't stop him from later on becoming the Director of Technical Education for whole of Andhra Pradesh. So yeah there is no excuse for not getting a education, don't blame poverty for lack of interest in education or having the will to succeed no matter what adverse condition you are in.

There are many beggars on street, who are Ok with begging as its free(freeloading), even though they are not disabled in any way, they refuse to work or try to get a education or find a job. I see people who blame everything under the sun, but don't do any self introspection as to why they failed to pass or get a job, it is their lack of will to succeed and interest that is holding them down not some external oppression, or force trying to whittle you down.

Nobody can hide the Sun for long , likewise truth, brilliance can never be hidden or stopped for long it always stands out. Strive to be brilliant and stand out, don't claim yourself as victim and live in perpetual self imposed agony.
 
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You don’t have a brain and still a doctor so that shows you have disproportionate privilege
I operate daily people like you who suffer from grade 3 hemorroids and fistulas. So i can understand your pain.
Only SJW, Losers talk about privilege, normal people try their best to compete and succeed. calling oneself disabled is now a fashion as per SJW, feminazis, Leftists :ROFLMAO:
 
Pakistan's main problem was it allowed itself to be used by USA. No sooner did Pakistan got Independence , they went after USA offering it military bases their chief demand was to demolish India and bring back their mythical 1000 year Islamic rule.which was never going to happen. When India asked for assistance in building Institution and Universities like MIT from USA, Pakistan neglected it and went on a weapon purchasing spree,because Pakistan was of having this illusion of 1 Momeen = 15 Kafir Hindus and it was only a matter of time before India gets invaded again Ghazwa-e-Hind. The Americans were too happy to oblige demands of Pakistan.When Americans really wanted India on their side, being a Democracy akin to theirs.


Second mistake Letting NATO use Pakistan as a proxy against USSR, Pakistan society was ok with modernity,General Zia-uL-Haq destroyed all its Scientific temper, colleges, promoted Madarssas which glorified Jihad and started churning out Mujahideens instead of college students. Infact he went a step further and disowned the only Noble Prize winner in Physics, Dr.Abdus Salam, When it was Ahmadi Muslims who actively supported two nation .Now why would you remove a group who wants to be called Muslims. That is called shooting your foot. I wouldn't mind if ISCKON or any other sect wants to be called Hindus and propagate it. That is the core difference between Abrahamic Religions and Sanatana Dharma, we accept you into our fold if you accept us, we don't claim exclusivity and rights to heaven. The concept of Devil, GOD, Heaven and Hell,believer, Infidel only exists in Abrahamic Religions

It is not only my view but several Founding fathers views that Abrahamic Religions are incompatible with Bharat.
Views of Dr. Ambedkar that so called ‘saviours of Dalits’ won’t let the public know

Pages 226-227: “Take the position of women. It is insisted by Muslims that the legal rights given to Muslim women, ensure them a greater measure of independence than allowed to other Eastern women… the Muslim woman is the most helpless person in the world … her fate is ‘once married, always married’. She cannot escape the marriage tie, however irksome it may be. While she cannot repudiate the marriage, the husband can always do it without having to show any cause. Utter the word ‘Talaq’ and observe continence for three weeks and the woman is cast away”

Pgs 230-232: “The Mohamedans observe not only caste but also untouchability. There can thus be no manner of doubt that the Muslim Society in India is afflicted by the same social evils as afflict the Hindu Society. Indeed, the Muslims have all the social evils of the Hindus and something more. That something more is the compulsory system of purdah for Muslim women”

In page 233 he says “The existence of these evils among the Muslims is distressing enough. But far more distressing is the fact that there is no organised movement of social reforms among the Musalmans of India on a scale sufficient to bring about their eradication … The Hindus have their social evils … and a few of them are actively agitating for their removal. The Muslims on the other hand, do not realise that they are evils and consequently do not agitate for their removal. Indeed, they oppose any change in the existing practices.”

His refusal to convert to Christianity and Islam, despite being offered inducements of a large scale by both missionaries and Nizam of Hyderabad, proves that he was against Abrahamic religions. He believed that one would cease to be an Indian if he converted to either of these religions and was in favour of converting to one of the various Indic religions. He asked his followers to do the same stating “I advise my Dalit brothers to convert to Buddhism and avoid conversion to non-Indic religions”. He viewed Abrahamic religions as a threat to national integration and that should put to rest all doubts about his views on either of these religions.

Jayasree Saranathan: ‘Indian Dharma is Sanatana Dharma’ – Sri Aurobindo



‘Indian Dharma is Sanatana Dharma’ – Sri Aurobindo




During the height of freedom struggle,

Sri Aurobindo was arrested and put into jail where he had soul-searching experience.

The result was that he came out with clearer goals of achieving Nationalism

through Sanatana dharma!

Later he shared his thoughts in a meeting at Uttarpara in Bengal, on 30 May 1909.





This speech is very much suitable for today's India

which is turning anarchist with internal bickering,

thanks to the divide and rule policy of present crop of politicians.

Sri Aurobindo's solution to Unity and development of our country

is to adopt Sanatana dharma as the Dharma of India!


https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Swami...nemy-more-in-Complete-Works-volume-V-page-282
Why did Swami Vivekananda say, "And then every man going out of the Hindu pale is not only a man less, but an enemy more" in Complete Works (volume V, page 282)?

I have many more freedom fighters who supported this idea of a Sanatana Dharmic nation.But alas, Gandhi,Nehru (who called himself being born as Hindu was a mistake)hijacked it and imposed their demands on rest of Hindus.

I didn't mention Ireland. All Eastern European nations, Baltics, Russia has state religion and they are doing just fine. Russia is also diverse, so your argument Secularism is needed for diverse nation like India is a flop. China also had many diverse groups but they are all called a Monolithic group called Hans, it was done by CCP, no such thing was attempted by Secular politicians as it suited their agenda to keep peddling 'Unity in Diversity' so that they are perpetually in power.

In real life a Unit which is uniform, always triumphs, a diverse hodgepodge mixture will break up very soon.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link
A Uniform chain is always stronger than a curry mixture chain link.

You are the weakest link
 
Do let me know when the General quota for medicine requires at least 98% marks in PCB and guys at 97.95% are not able to get admission, but then due to quota guys securing 55% marks gets admission purely on base of his cast how is that?
Why are you insisting on quota for jobs based on caste and religion? How exactly does being of a particular caste qualify him to benefit for medical studies even if he gets pathetic marks? Also remember such students tend to fail many times but are not kicked out of the colleges (and I know this for a fact, do check TNMC medical college in Mumbai) Further, would you be ready to have say your heart operation or say operation related to your dysfuntional erection from a guy who happened to just pass his exams ungracefully?

I shall tell you hat the problem is, you are giving all the BS about Social justice when you are not ready to be part of it., In case you or your immediate family has health problem. I would surely bet, you will try to seek out doctors from top medical hospitals and get the operation done. Unfortunately the pathetic doctors who just pass their exams get enforced on the general public due to reservation. Thus you are no way going to treat yourself or your family through such Doctors but would prefer to get treated by a certificed gold medalist, hopefully US returned one..
So, if you are really so concerned, I would dare you to have medical treatment along with the masses in General hospital and be operated by hopefully a person from lower section of society.. Let us see...

I believe in job or education be given as per ability. After almost 5 decades of reservation there are still downtroden? What the hell was your Sonia madam doing? How many of the unfortunate people did Rahul Baba send to Italian hospitals to practice and gain experience? BTW did Sonia madam ever get treated in General hospital say besides AIIMS.? So its easy to preach a lot of BS which you do, but how much of it do you practice? Give it a thought
You you weren’t putting sass Bahujan type people in charge of hrd, you might actually be putting in place people who INCREASE the number of medical colleges.instead you’ve got idiots trying to get Ayurveda doctors to practice allopathy
 
Congress unleashes Mandal 2.0 - Friendly media to act as catalyst

What happened at Bhima-Koregaon in Maharashtra was expected. However, more unfortunately for the nation, and much expectedly the left-liberal media, embarked on a divisive narrative of its own making, dubbed it as a fight between Dalits and Brahmins, and it does not seem to be settling anytime soon.At a time when India is moving ahead in various fields, we are force fed the politics of caste fault lines. It's depressing to see Indians fighting and protesting over what happened, or didn't happen 200 years ago.

Every year a section of Dalits gather peacefully in Bhima-Koregaon on January 1st, to commemorate the battle of Koregaon. This year it suddenly became a hugely controversial issue on TV. For the first time, the likes of "Bharat Tere Tukde Honge, Insha-Allah Insha-Allah" fame, Umar Khalid (not a Dalit), Congress stooge Jignesh Mevani, AIMPLB Maulana Azhari (not a Dalit), Radhika Vemula (not a Dalit) attended it, and riots broke out. What were these leftist terror apologists doing at a Dalit event?

We saw how Jignesh Mevani threatened street blood-shed in public rally, essentially asking for a civil war, dangerously and openly stoking communal divisions and destruction of Indian State.

Inflammatory banners were all over. First, conveniently saffron flag-carrying people attack the participants. Then in reaction riots break out, and a completely innocent person was brutally killed for having Shivaji's face embossed on his jacket. This explains the mischief behind this staged agitation. If one connects the dots it would reveal that this is a Muslim-Dalit vote bank game plan and "someone" is behind planning the moves of inciting discord amongst communities of India.

This picture lays bare the divisive politics of Congress in bed with its proxies, the leftists, the left-liberal intellectual mafia and the Islamists.

In India, we have numerous ethnic groups, eight major religions, 2000-odd castes and sub castes, several languages are spoken in various dialects and we also have a substantial number of tribes and sects. While there have been historical differences and clashes between different groups, India kept its intrinsic core intact and remained a collective state and coexists in peace.

From time immemorial, India has championed the model ideal of the oneness, categorically rejecting the notion of inequality and insist upon
oneness at the emotional level.
अज्येष्ठासो अकनिष्ठास एते सं भ्रातरो वावृधुः सौभगाय । - ऋग्वेदः (No one is superior or inferior; all are brothers; all should strive for the interest of all and progress collectively.)

At the same time 'caste division' is also a truth and caste atrocities of past and contemporary India, especially in the rural areas cannot be denied, where segregation is still practiced in patches. In today's time, the segregation is getting weaker than ever before. That is the beauty of Hinduism - continuous reform - a continuous process of pushing for the eradication of social shackles.

While it is true that not by attempting to whitewash the reality of caste oppression but accepting the truth and pushing for reconciliation is the only way forward, the evil powerful forces would continue to keep the conflict alive. Else, why must we look everything with a caste lens if not to further the agenda of Break-India into pieces?

In May 2014, the political patronage (Indian National Congress) of this Break India brigade has been uprooted. Since then, they have a clear agenda to divide the Hindus and unite groups against the Hindus, and they adopt the following methods of bigotry:

1) Selectively infuse disproportion with sweeping generalizations:

A crime is a crime which State machinery should deal with. But the left-liberal brigade paints the whole nation by giving a political spin to it and dilutes the real issue of Law & Order.

The self-styled liberal intellectuals view the diversity of India via the oppressor-oppressed framework. For them, anybody espousing Hindu causes is an oppressive Brahman. It suits their narrative of creating and sustaining fault-lines and fear-mongering among the Dalits and minorities.
The ecosystem is well aware that it is their political masters who would benefit from breaking India into pieces. As long as Hindus are kept divided and fight among themselves, they have a chance to misguide the vote bank in favor of their political masters.

The truth is that Indian leftist media and their political masters can’t survive without riots, religious, caste-based, regional or linguistic.

2) Bash Hindutva:

"Minorities are in Danger" narrative is the very first method of secular bigotry and is achieved by distorting the very concept of Hindutva. The issue is not striving for a strong nation and peace for all, but the fruits that Hindutva-bashing offers in electorate politics. Intolerance rising, beef-lynching, church attack are standard templates.
Organizations run by the Leftists, Communists, and Naxalites, who openly advocate violence, hatred, and rebellion, are never hounded by the ecosystem. They downplay it with radio silence where Hindus are at the receiving end, because that may unite the Hindus.

3) Rant against Modi:

Since the left-liberal ecosystem heard of Narendra Modi’s victory in the 2014 Lok Sabha elections and then continued electoral triumphs of Bhartiya Janata Party, each time the reactions escalated from disbelief to shock to madness.

Innuendoes about the Prime Minister’s motives are just another form of bigotry. When we should be discussing the achievements or failures of the elected government, we are told how bad the Peshwas were against Dalits.

Here we have a Prime Minister, who is working tirelessly to give us better Infrastructure, direct welfare to the poor and downtrodden, better economic opportunities, but the left-liberal ecosystem pushes for caste divides and the socialist hellhole.

The misfortune that India has undergone since 1947 lies in its flawed definition of socialism that ruled the roost and kept many marginalized. Now, the nation is finally finding its central narrative and national identity. The New India is showing the signs of civilizational resurgence. It is in the process of defining a new ‘center’ for itself, in political, societal and cultural discourses. It took several decades for this shift to happen. But this shift is here to stay, and rightfully so.

This has made the opinion industry very nervous and is the reason they are indulging in all sorts of dirty gimmicks to try and salvage, if not wrest lost ground.

This time the enemies of India have planned Caste wars. There was a clear pattern to the caste centric tweets being continuously posted by the crooked media seniors setting the narrative before the Bhima-Koregaon event. If you are active on social media you can easily identify the undesirable modern day Mir Jafars.

There lies the problem - in the narrative peddled by the fraudster opinion industry. With political patronage, these fraudsters and sycophants masquerading as opinion makers have been dictating the perception market with their solicitous advice, all for self-promotion and reward.

What happened at Bhima-Koregaon was clearly setting the plan in motion. The Congress has tasted blood with militant casteist politics experiment in Gujrat. They will try to replicate it with more such dirty incidents across India.

The new Congress President, Rahul Gandhi was seen openly supporting those who were responsible for inciting caste based riots & violence in Maharashtra. Not a single journalist dared to ask why the Dalits remained backward even after 70 years of independence, and why Congress should not be held responsible for their status?

Instead, Congress and its crooked media puppets consider it an opportunity to exploit while violence engulfed Maharashtra. If Congress knows how many dead bodies it is away from power, it will swiftly lay as many and run over them to grab it. They would instead break India into pieces than stay away from power.

The seeds have already been sown for Mandal 2.0 in 2018-19. The big media, the radical left digital media and also the International publications will pour oil over the fire acting as the catalyst.

The nation is observing, and the ordinary Indian sees the dangerous game being played. Those who care for India are vigilant and will respond at an appropriate time!

Congress unleashes Mandal 2.0 - Friendly media to act as catalyst
 
@Milspec you wanna know how reservations work? In gujarat after reservations were given in government jobs modi refused to fill up low level jobs (peons and so on), people like you talk about becoming doctor and lawyers without merit I don’t what world you are living in. By preventing Dalits from getting low level government jobs modi ably aided the upper castes in oppressing them and keeping them ‘reserved’ for low level unclean jobs like tannery and meat workers. A government job means some of those people can become immune to social boycott by other villagers who stop other cleaner employment to Dalit through these tactics. And as for becoming doctors and engineers good luck for them because most of them won’t make it. An example I pointed out before two kids who cleared jee were stoned by the villagers because they wouldn’t give up their engineering seats. Start living in the real world.

Just a simple question, do you even know what is the traditional occupation for Patidars- leva patels and kadva patels? that raul baba was supporting to promise untenable reservations for?
 
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Just a simple question, do you even know what is the traditional occupation for Patidars- leva patels and kadva patels? that raul baba was supporting to promise untenable reservations for?
I’m talking about the principle of reservations for Dalit and lower castes
 
I’m talking about the principle of reservations for Dalit and lower castes
You know the thing about fitting in pieces to solve a puzzle and be done with it quickly is you frequently try fitting in square pegs in round holes. That's exactly what happens when you cherry pick facts to support your erroneous theory .

The facts being that we just aren't creating enough jobs. Whatever vacancy there exists , particularly in the government sector attracts people not so much for the salary it pays , but for extraneous reasons like performance not linked to growth , job security , the opportunity to earn supplementary income , etc. Which is why these vacancies attract all manner of talent however low it is in the social heirarchy and the competition being so intense that corruption in recruitment can never be ruled out with or without active or tacit support from the upper echelons of the bureaucracy and politicians .

Add to that the need to cut non plan expenditure to balance budgets and slash deficits which in turn makes recruitments in government posts the first casualty and you'd see why competition is even more intense particularly in regions which don't boast of much private investment .

But these are meaningless facts to shallow personalities whose reasoning skills , information processing abilities and lastly their vocabulary are limited only by their intellect.

It makes much more sense for such simplistic people to opt for such simplistic binaries - lower level vacancies particularly in the reserved section not filled = casteist government seeking to deny depressed classes gainful employment . Life becomes so much easier. I really envy you at times. I wish my life were so uncomplicated .
 
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You know the thing about fitting in pieces to justify your narrative is you frequently try fitting in square pegs in round holes. That's exactly what happens when you cherry pick facts to support your erroneous theory .

The facts being that we just aren't creating enough jobs. Whatever vacancy there exists , particularly in the government sector attracts people not so much for the salary it pays , but for extraneous reasons like performance not linked to growth , job security , the opportunity to earn supplementary income , etc. Which is why these vacancies attract all manner of talent however low it is in the social heirarchy and the competition being so intense that corruption in recruitment can never be ruled out with or without active or tacit support from the upper echelons of the bureaucracy and politicians .

Add to that the need to cut non plan expenditure to balance budgets and slash deficits which in turn makes recruitments in government posts the first casualty and you'd see why competition is even more intense particularly in regions which don't boast of much private investment .

But these are meaningless facts to shallow personalities whose reasoning skills , information processing abilities and lastly their vocabulary are limited only by their intellect.

It makes much more sense for such simplistic people to opt for such simplistic binaries - lower level vacancies particularly in the reserved section not filled = casteist government seeking to deny depressed classes gainful employment . Life becomes so much easier. I really envy you at times. I wish my life were so uncomplicated .
Yes modi has been pathetic at creating jobs
 
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Aaj Tak is definitely not pro BJP media,,, they have Raju Sardu.. you know who

Am not going to talk abt the incident, as many experts have done.
Shiv Sena for many years were the "big brother" of BJP in Mahrashtra politics. BJP was not that strong in Maharashtra but since the demise of Elder Thackeray, people find his son more idiotic. So when Shiv Sena in thei arrogance wanted to fight election independently both in Mahrashtra and Mumbai corporation realised how strong it really was. In Maharashtra, the BJP was clear majority and shiv sena second, and since BJP had more seats they claimed the CM chair, and in Mumbai they were having two seats more than BJP. BJP knows that it will be more stronger in both areas. But Shiv Sena is in their own deluded world that perhaps people voted BJP by mistake thinking there was an alliance etc. Shiv Sena like cogress has no clue about Ground reality in Maharashtra. Raj Thackeray realised the ground reality to his disaster.
The Thackerays want to take advantage of this incident and try to blame BJP, unfortunately for them they are also in powder and their vote bank is Marathas and Maharashtrians also RPI is part of the alliance. Shiv Sena wants to blame BJP saying that they cannot rule effectively and try to get majority for themselves unfortunately the news media reports more and rather a lot, Shiv Senas own "SAMNA" is limited only to Sena Cadres and many of them are just short of called Aditya Thackeray a joker.
Identifying the real hidden adversary is half the battle, Dalit leaders have rightly identified BJP-RSS-VHP-corporates as their adversary. Shiv Sena is just a regional party of cultivators, the truth is BJP-RSS hates Shivsena and vice-versa. Both Shivsena and Dalits recognize BJP as their common adversary.
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By targeting the RSS-BJP-corporates... they are going straight for the jugular... >> the corporates interests behind BJP...

Jignesh Mevani not responsible for Bhima-Koregaon violence: Ramdas Athawale

Timesnow and Arnab Goswami(Republic) has emerged as the most shamelessly pro-RSS-BJP channels.
 
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